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Topic: 10 Astrological Aspects in the Chart of an Abuser
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 5348 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 05, 2015 04:01 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Wow Algol conj the ASC is rare.
He's a sweetheart but he has ADHD, it's pretty severe and without medicine he moves so fast and gets frustrated very easily. He has went through times he was abusive in his behavior, I've had many moments of tears from how hard is to deal with, mainly out of frustration and feeling overwhelmed but the things he used to say were mean! After I found out heavy metal toxins were a leading cause for ADHD and I got him started on zeolite, it's a cleanse that removes heavy metals at the cellular level. Since we started 3 months ago we've been able to decrease his medicine by half and now even when he's off medicine he's in enough control that he can stop himself from being mean. When he used to be mean in the mornings, later he'd call me from school(after meds had kicked in) very upset and apologize for the things he said and the way he acted. Today, all I have to say when he starts getting a little intense is, Adrian....the way your talking to me isn't nice. Is that how you want to talk to me? Even when he's off meds he can stop himself and say, No...I'm sorry! And he changes the way he's acting. It takes up to a year to complete the cleanse, he's only been on it a few months...so it's only going to get better. He has had times he said he didn't think he deserved to be alive because he couldn't control his thoughts and body. He used to say there was a troll living in his head that was mean, he said he hated that troll. A month ago he told me he thought that troll had died because he was not there anymore. He has the sweetest little heart, cancer moon trine scorp Mars/Venus...he's timid, sweet and thoughtful most the time but like he said, he had a troll living in his head that made it hard to be nice all the time...but the troll is going away! Thank God! I get the feeling the more we cleanse his body and teach him how kindness feels so much better than being mean, he will be ok, actually he will be awesome! He has many planets on fixed stars.... •Sun is on Anteros saggy@8.03 •Moon is on Sirius cancer@12.02/BM Lilith cancer@13 •Uranus is on Formalhaut pisces@3.01 •Mercury is on GC saggy@26.04(conjunct Pluto@21.32-neither make any other aspects) •AC on Algol taurus@26.58 •Ceres is on Spica libra@25.32 •Celestia conjunct Mercury on GC 0.02 degree Vertex libra@27.01 ------ He can't be to bad?? Right? His cap DNA conjunct Micheal exact in his 8th house His saggy Osiris is conjunct his Sun Scorp Isis on his Mars
Has an exact Kite- Cancer Saturn opposed Cap Nessus/Angel in 9th Taurus AC Virgo Pallas-(opposed Yeshuhua) ^^That important because his "Freedom Point" which iQ says is the place that is exact opposed Saturn, it is where you look to find your karmic freedom/balancing point. Act out this and you balance your karmic debts.
So his Freedom Point is his Nessus/Angel...obviously the raw angry energy is part of his life path but he's meant to use it in a way that brings enlightenment and protection to others. IP: Logged |
MarsSaturnDelight Newflake Posts: 10 From: Registered: Dec 2014
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posted February 05, 2015 04:04 PM
Not sure about number 8.I have a very good friend with Mars, Pluto and Moon in the 5th and he is far from being a 'player'. Although he likes to gamble! Similarly, I can think of more 'player' type individuals with negligible 5th house aspects/influence. IP: Logged |
PeterPan Knowflake Posts: 445 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted February 05, 2015 06:14 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: PPWater void, too. What an amazing chart. Question, what has your actual life been like? Family? Warm family? Cold family? Abuse? etc
Haha i guess that would be a compliment in this forum. ^^ well i have never been abused but i did get into allot of physical fights with my stepfather, my mother was always very manipulative but i learned how to manage her so it's no longer a problem, actually taught me alot about spotting dishonest people, something i was never very good at when i was young. i used to feel somewhat superior when i was young because i got so much attention for my drawing skills, and i think that made me obsessed with being the best at everything i do, i realize that my life has developed into completly revolving around my ambitions and i constantly read books, articles etc that will make me more capable at fulfilling them(i think about it 90% of the time). now this reply got a little longer than intended, i'm sorry if you got bored along the way  here is a link to the chart if you wanted to take a look at it. http://www.astro.com/tmpd/c2safileC5daUY-u1423175512/astro_2gw_01_anonymus.81118.14803.gif IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 60097 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 05, 2015 06:14 PM
He is so lucky to have you, Gabby!------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 5348 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 05, 2015 06:36 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: He is so lucky to have you, Gabby!
Thank you! I think he'll find the positive in his AC. He is amazing athletically and that goes along with Algol. He has so many amazing stars in his chart, his Sun/Moon/Uranus/Mercury are all tightly on major fixed stars...I'm sure those will help him overcome the negative from his Algol AC. His AC taurus@26.58 is a degree n half separating from that star. CAPUT ALGOL - [25 Degrees of Taurus] Caput Algol is one of the most violent stars in the zodiac. In natal charts, this gives a most violent disposition, along with murderous tendencies. These violent tendencies are intensified when one is intoxicated with drugs and/or alcohol. Here is the nasty, violent, mean, and vicious drunk. On the upside, it can bestow athletic ability. The intense nature, when sublimated, can give the drive to reach the top, but the affairs of the planet occupying this degree often end in disaster and misfortune. When conjunct the descendent, violence can come from others, especially the lover or marriage partner. I have noted more than one person with the Sun in conjunction with this star in being a pathological liar. IP: Logged |
shyberry Knowflake Posts: 138 From: a flower garden Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 05, 2015 06:37 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Wow Algol conj the ASC is rare.
is it though? if a fixed star is always in the same sign and degree then wouldn't anyone with a taurus ascendant within 21-29 degress have it conjunct their ascendant? i could be wrong i'm still kind of confused with this stuff i have the fixed star zosma conjunct my midheaven and the descriptions are SO BAD i freaked out and checked every celebrity i could manage with a midheaven at about 9 degrees in virgo. they all had it too IP: Logged |
shyberry Knowflake Posts: 138 From: a flower garden Registered: Oct 2014
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posted February 05, 2015 06:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: Telling a Leo not to be dramatic? HA!!! I could say the opposite to you, "don't be so serious". I was just messing anyway.
haha no worries i know but in that case...i'll make sure to tell you not to be dramatic more often then IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 5348 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 05, 2015 07:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by shyberry: is it though? if a fixed star is always in the same sign and degree then wouldn't anyone with a taurus ascendant within 21-29 degress have it conjunct their ascendant? i could be wrong i'm still kind of confused with this stuff i have the fixed star zosma conjunct my midheaven and the descriptions are SO BAD i freaked out and checked every celebrity i could manage with a midheaven at about 9 degrees in virgo. they all had it too
Fixed stars only use an orb of 1 degree....2 is accepted on major stars but it's energy is not felt as strong. The fixed stars ray/energy is not as strong as a planet so the orb is much less. An AC falling on a fixed star is especially rare because the AC moves so fast, it's only a few minutes everyday that the AC will hit a particular degree. The day my son was born only 4:21-4:28 pm would have given an AC conjunct Algol. Algol conjunction would be taurus 24-26... Sometimes there is 2 stars that fall within a degree of each other, one malefic the other beneficial, so you have to look closely at the stars, they can get very specific as far as orbs go.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 60097 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 05, 2015 07:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by Venusincap89: My girlfriend has both Nessus and Sado on my MarsI have Sado on her retrograde Scorpio Venus and I also have North Node in 7th house Square Mars Maybe for my case, it goes both ways?
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venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 448 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted February 05, 2015 07:56 PM
So I have Sun-Nessus. I do have a hard time with Cancers...My mother is a Cancer Sun. I love her to pieces, and she would do ANYTHING for me. I really have to try not be caustic when I'm around her. Interestingly, it was my daughter (Cancer Asc) with whom I would easily lose my patience, that made me very aware of my need to change. Not wanting to injure my baby in any way made me examine how I am with Cancers. It helped me to change my behavior with my mother, and anyone with whom I come in contact that evokes a seriously annoyed feeling inside me... I never feel annoyed with myself though... IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 5348 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 05, 2015 08:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: So I have Sun-Nessus. I do have a hard time with Cancers...My mother is a Cancer Sun. I love her to pieces, and she would do ANYTHING for me. I really have to try not be caustic when I'm around her. Interestingly, it was my daughter (Cancer Asc) with whom I would easily lose my patience, that made me very aware of my need to change. Not wanting to injure my baby in any way made me examine how I am with Cancers. It helped me to change my behavior with my mother, and anyone with whom I come in contact that evokes a seriously annoyed feeling inside me... I never feel annoyed with myself though...
What sign is your Nessus? Normally your Sun/Nessus would indicate issues with your dad more than mom. But every chart is individual, alot is said by aspects and the houses/house rulers also. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze Knowflake Posts: 4302 From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19 Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 05, 2015 08:44 PM
What would nessus conjunct mc be? I've asked and researched but never got a clear answer. Anyone know? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 60097 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 05, 2015 08:46 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: What would nessus conjunct mc be? I've asked and researched but never got a clear answer. Anyone know?
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 60097 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted February 05, 2015 08:47 PM
With asteroids, it has to be 2 degrees or fewer. Some Astrologers will only accept exact due to the small energetic pull of asteroids.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 5348 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 05, 2015 08:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: What would nessus conjunct mc be? I've asked and researched but never got a clear answer. Anyone know?
Cancer Nessus conjunct MC? Direct or Rx? How tight and what aspects does it make? Does it touch your gemini, is it your Moon that gem@29?? IP: Logged |
Venusincap89 Knowflake Posts: 766 From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jul 2013
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posted February 05, 2015 08:51 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Just give it back as good as she gives it to you 
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Down The Rabbit Hole Knowflake Posts: 76 From: Registered: Sep 2014
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posted February 05, 2015 08:52 PM
I have 1, 3, 10, and Sun/Sado(exact).I've never laid a hand on anyone.. it really depends on the person's self control. My anger only seems to blow up when someone I care about gets hurt. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 5348 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 05, 2015 08:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by Down The Rabbit Hole: I have 1, 3, 10, and Sun/Sado(exact).I've never laid a hand on anyone.. it really depends on the person's self control. My anger only seems to blow up when someone I care about gets hurt.
Direct or rx Sado and the aspects make a huge difference!! Which house does it fall in shows how the energy will be directed. Please don't forget each person has the free will to chose how they handle these energies.
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venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 448 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted February 05, 2015 09:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: What sign is your Nessus? Normally the Sun would indicate your dad...
I realized after the fact that I neglected to put up my Sun sign, so it's Cancer Sun conj Nessus.
I also have Sun sq. Pluto, and someone mentioned the possibility of having an abusive dad. I can't say for sure that no abuse ever took place...but not at the hands of my dad. He's a total goof ball, preoccupied with MLMs, women, and the English language. So I read having Sun-Nessus as me being an abuser. I am mildy abusive, like I'll take the last ice cream cone and stuff... But really I thought it is interesting that I have Sun conjunct Nessus, and the only time I have had to really check myself was with my mom and daughter, both with Cancer placements like me. I am very sensitive to the needs of children, and I became concerned that I would struggle to hear her out, or give her the affection she needed all the time. She needs a lot though- Cancer Asc, Leo Moon/Sun
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DeepFreeze Knowflake Posts: 4302 From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19 Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 05, 2015 09:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Cancer Nessus conjunct MC? Direct or Rx? How tight and what aspects does it make? Does it touch your gemini, is it your Moon that gem@29??
Whew... Nessus does not touch my moon. (Moon at 26 Gemini) It's direct. It is EXACTLY on mc though. Trine Uranus and square Pluto. Mc at 5-36 and nessus at 5-51.... cancer. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 5348 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 05, 2015 09:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: I realized after the fact that I neglected to put up my Sun sign, so it's Cancer Sun conj Nessus.I also have Sun sq. Pluto, and someone mentioned the possibility of having an abusive dad. I can't say for sure that no abuse ever took place...but not at the hands of my dad. He's a total goof ball, preoccupied with MLMs, women, and the English language. So I read having Sun-Nessus as me being an abuser. I am mildy abusive, like I'll take the last ice cream cone and stuff... But really I thought it is interesting that I have Sun conjunct Nessus, and the only time I have had to really check myself was with my mom and daughter, both with Cancer placements like me. I am very sensitive to the needs of children, and I became concerned that I would struggle to hear her out, or give her the affection she needed all the time. She needs a lot though- Cancer Asc, Leo Moon/Sun
I can say from personal experience, I also have a cancer rx Nessus conjunct my gemini Mars. I am not abusive normally but my ex with his mars sitting on my Nessus was a trigger. He was abusive in a similar way as I'd been hurt as a child and after a year n half of his abuse something woke up in me and it was dangerous! I believe it was Nessus! I had to get him away from me before I killed him(literally). Since I've gotten away from him and nobody is trigger that deep pain in me, I don't have any kind issues with being abusive, threatening or sadistic in any way.
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magpie Knowflake Posts: 42 From: USA Registered: Jan 2015
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posted February 05, 2015 09:14 PM
Hmm, I have Algol conjunct my Ascendant (2 degree orb) but wouldn't hurt a fly. Well, okay, maybe a mosquito. I don't even have urges to hurt things or people.IP: Logged |
babybull82 Knowflake Posts: 635 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted February 05, 2015 09:32 PM
Now see this is interesting..I put up a thread today asking about nessus conjunct nn and the moon in syanstry, but I got my head bitten off because they didn't like the fact that another person was asking the same question again. I DID do a google search on it but didn't pull up much info. Plus I'd rather hear stories from personal experience. I do believe these asteroids are activated when they are touching another person's planets especially a conjunction.His nessus is conjuncting my nn at 0 degrees and my moon conjuncts his nessus at 1 degree..I just wanted to know if there was a potential for us to bring out abusive qualities in each other. I know this is about natal aspects but I was just reminded of it because someone mentioned their partners mars activating their nessus. My nessus trines my venus @ 4 degrees and sextiles my mercury @ 1 degree..I can see that as I easily attracted verbally abusive types in romantic relationships and it's pretty much true. I'm not all that innocent either and can become verbally abusive as well if I feel I'm being attacked by a partner. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 5348 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted February 05, 2015 09:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by DeepFreeze: Whew... Nessus does not touch my moon. (Moon at 26 Gemini) It's direct. It is EXACTLY on mc though. Trine Uranus and square Pluto. Mc at 5-36 and nessus at 5-51.... cancer.
Nessus has positive points to it, it's raw power...scary raw power. When you feel Nessus in you but still desire to keep it under control and are able to keep Nessus under control, the fear of it getting out of control will push you to do things that are good for you. You will do things that protect you from ppl that are hurting you because you afraid of what their actions will push you to do, you don't want to be pushed to far and end up going savage on someone. This energy aspecting your MC to me shows your raw savage energy to fight for what you want, what you need to stand out and make a living. Probably everyone can see you have a side they don't want to mess with, your probably very capable of scaring ppl with just a look at work. It doesn't mean you act on it, but there is a raw powerful energy that you feel when you feel you or someone you love is being violated in some way or not getting something you want and feel you/they deserve but your being denied. I deal with this also but my Nessus rx is on my mars by 2 degrees, it's on my MC by 5 degrees(not close enough to count)...from experience I know it can be controlled. I'm sure you know with Nessus/MC there is an energy that emerges at times that's a bit terrifying. It may only be for one single moment that you feel it but it's savage and ruthless, then it dissipates and you can think again. If someone didn't have such a good heart and desire to function within society in an appropriate manner..they would love that energy and let it run wild. Those are the ppl who can become abusive or worse, but your not one of those ppl! 
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DeepFreeze Knowflake Posts: 4302 From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19 Registered: Nov 2013
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posted February 05, 2015 09:41 PM
Thank you Gabby!! I don't have many words to share back with you but it's very very much appreciated! I couldn't figure out how this works. IP: Logged |