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posted February 06, 2015 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You have Moon conj the MC, I think. You show your heart to the world, like I do. We can't help it. You show your mind to the world, too. You can't help that due to the ASC conj of Mercury.

It is hard for you to hide your mind and your heart.

Your biggest struggle may be the Sun in the 12th. If you feel that it is really hard to promote yourself, this would be the reason.

Everyone wants to shine but this Sun position makes you hold back for fear of looking silly or like you are "too much"


This is so true. The way my MC and Asc are aspected...I'm inside-out. I'm good with it. Maybe I was scared to be this way when I was a child. Maybe as a child, I was just a little timid about my nature. I didn't know what would happen if I settled into myself. I didn't know it would always be alright. Even if I hurt and cry, it is always alright. I am happy. I am happy that I can let life teach me.

Doesn't Moon on the MC also mean the person will love children?

Thank you Ami. It was so kind of you to give a little of your attention and time.

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posted February 06, 2015 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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Everyone wants to shine but this Sun position makes you hold back for fear of looking silly or like you are "too much"


I know I'm too much. I just know it.

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posted February 06, 2015 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know I'm too much. I just know it.


NO a HUNDRED times NO. It is the lens of your chart. One sees through the lens of their chart. That is why it is so important for the astrologer to be honest and the person able to receive it. Astrology can be life changing. This one insight could be life changing for you.

One aspect in my life started to change my life. Dejanira conj Child asteroid--exact. I was destined to be abused as a child and it was not my fault.

You are NOT too much and it is not your fault

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posted February 06, 2015 06:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami Anne, I was the person who said they had Algol conj Ascendant. I responded to your questions and my post is the last one on page 4, just in case you didn't see it!

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posted February 06, 2015 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is so true. The way my MC and Asc are aspected...I'm inside-out. I'm good with it. Maybe I was scared to be this way when I was a child. Maybe as a child, I was just a little timid about my nature. I didn't know what would happen if I settled into myself. I didn't know it would always be alright. Even if I hurt and cry, it is always alright. I am happy. I am happy that I can let life teach me.

Doesn't Moon on the MC also mean the person will love children?

Thank you Ami. It was so kind of you to give a little of your attention and time.

You are so very, very welcome, V. Thank you for appreciating me

I don't think Moon conj MC is loving children. Maybe, I am wrong. The 5th House is the House of Children. Maybe if your 5th House had Cancer on the cusp, it may be this.

However, your chart is your life blueprint. Only God knows why but the main thing is that nothing is your fault. You came into the world with both the struggles and the gifts. This is my main message in my Astrology.

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posted February 06, 2015 06:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ami Anne, I was the person who said they had Algol conj Ascendant. I responded to your questions and my post is the last one on page 4, just in case you didn't see it!

I missed it, my Friend. I am an earth void, so am not the best on details lol

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posted February 06, 2015 06:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to do it and got waylaid. I need to spend some more time looking. Please, bump up the thread and remind me if I am not back by tomorrow. Sorry for the delay

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posted February 06, 2015 07:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I was going to do it and got waylaid. I need to spend some more time looking. Please, bump up the thread and remind me if I am not back by tomorrow. Sorry for the delay


No worries!

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posted February 06, 2015 07:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to come back and look so I made sure I did!

You may have felt smothered by your mother. Your emotions are very intense and this is through no fault of your own( Moon conj Pluto)

You have an excellent imagination and it may be one of your best traits BUT you may feel like your personality is kind of submerged.

You have one aspect to your Sun only. If you really try to shine, you can come out in a strong way, like a star

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posted February 06, 2015 07:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arachne18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry to ask an irrelevant chiron question to this thread but was just wondering -

DF- how does having chiron in 7th affect you and conjunct asteroid lilith?

Venus2tinkerbell- do you feel chiron in your 10th has affected your career at all?

It's nice to put a chart to a name. Ami if you have any wise words of wisdom, as you usually do, would love to read them. Thanks ☺

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posted February 06, 2015 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your early home was prolly very painful and it was probably your mother who was the parent who was the most painful to you.

You may feel that your career and/or place in society is affected due to your early childhood pain

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posted February 06, 2015 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hmm, I have a pretty good relationship with my mother - she can be a little overbearing at times but not too badly - but I /was/ adopted at birth and never knew my biological mother.

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posted February 06, 2015 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hmm, I have a pretty good relationship with my mother - she can be a little overbearing at times but not too badly - but I /was/ adopted at birth and never knew my biological mother.


Maybe, the Moon/Pluto was the adoption

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posted February 06, 2015 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Arachne18:
Sorry to ask an irrelevant chiron question to this thread but was just wondering -

DF- how does having chiron in 7th affect you and conjunct asteroid lilith?

Venus2tinkerbell- do you feel chiron in your 10th has affected your career at all?

It's nice to put a chart to a name. Ami if you have any wise words of wisdom, as you usually do, would love to read them. Thanks ☺



Do you want to put up your chart and I will see what I can see, A?

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posted February 06, 2015 08:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Arachne18:
Sorry to ask an irrelevant chiron question to this thread but was just wondering -

DF- how does having chiron in 7th affect you and conjunct asteroid lilith?


I found this, which describes it very well.
It links up directly to my 12th house planets and why they are there, why Virgo is there. Pluto first also with self exploration as mentioned in the article. I mean if you ask me that is. Also Venus square Neptune, which brought in romantic partners who were wrong for me and me fly them. Tying into Chiron/lilith in the 7/8th. Chiron in 7th, lilith in 8th. Romantic relationships, of which I've had a number of, are frequent sources of pain and frustration, but sources of growth as well.


The association of Chiron (the wounded part of yourself) and Lilith (the depths of the unconscious mind).

In the case of a conjunction or an opposition, this association is particularly significant. It can hold the key to the entire chart, meaning it can point to inner issues that explain your deepest motivations or emotional blockages. At the same time, if the native has worked on himself/herself, the aspect can indicate an extreme strength.

The meeting of Chiron, the wounded healer, and of Lilith can indicate that the native has exceptional healing abilities. This is particularly true for the conjunction.

But these abilities are likely to be revealed only after the person undergoes a profound work of self exploration and transformation. The symbolism of Chiron is that of the wounded part of yourself. Its association with the Lilith, which stands for the deepest of the human psyche, suggests that the self exploration work will have to be carried in extremely profound parts of the subconscious and the unconscious mind. This calls for high doses of regression! There is likely to be a great power hidden inside yourself, but only great work will lead you to it.

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posted February 06, 2015 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arachne18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Do you want to put up your chart and I will see what I can see, A?




Aw thank you Ami, that is so lovely of you, I'm not too sure how to upload a chart on here yet but you have already seen mine on your website where you answered a few questions for me ☺. I'm still trying to get my head around Chiron and just seeing it above in their charts I thought I would take an opportunity to ask how its effects are felt there. (Most people I know would have never heard of the word Chiron let alone know where in their chart it sits). But sorry to meander off topic & thank you for your reply 😊

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posted February 06, 2015 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ask me your specific questions about Chiron, if you want, A!

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posted February 06, 2015 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Arachne18     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ask me your specific questions about Chiron, if you want, A!


Okay thank you. I have chiron in the 9th house (conjunct Jupiter, square saturn & sextile Mars, pretty much all exact). I find it hard to associate Chiron with pain to do with 9th house issues and supposedly having Jupiter is meant to expand this in a negative way. BTW I read your topic post about Chiron in the houses which was interesting & am pretty certain of my tob. So if I haven't experienced any negative effects as yet in relation to my chiron, do you think it's still to come OR could Jupiter on chiron make it a lucky or beneficial aspect in my chart? Hope that makes sense.

DF thank you, that was interesting to read. My sister in law has chiron in the 7th, she has a bucket chart, chiron is the handle & is opposite a stellium in the 1st house so consequently she has had many relationship struggles. Interesting too about lilith, the conjunction to Chiron sounds very positive. Asteroid lilith is also in my 8th with my sun. Thank you.

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posted February 06, 2015 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That makes sense. To me, if you have not experienced the pain of your Chiron's House, I would question the time of birth. Even a few minutes can change a house. Do you relate to the 8th House Chiron?

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posted February 06, 2015 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You should know your Chiron's pain. It should feel that it is the right house imo

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posted February 06, 2015 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Maybe, the Moon/Pluto was the adoption



That does make some sense. Pluto being mysterious and distant and all.

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posted February 06, 2015 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adoption is trauma, even if the adoptive mother is wonderful. There is a pain for the adopted person from what I have read and been told.

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posted February 06, 2015 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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One sees through the lens of their chart.


I see what you're saying Ami. I have to think about this.

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posted February 06, 2015 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I agree. I'm very grateful to both my biological and adoptive family for giving me the great life I've had, but my being adopted is certainly something I've struggled with.

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posted February 06, 2015 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Sorry to ask an irrelevant chiron question to this thread but was just wondering -

Venus2tinkerbell- do you feel chiron in your 10th has affected your career at all?


Arachne18, thank you for asking and making me think about it.

I was never career focused in the traditional sense. My siblings and peers are Ivy Leaguers and PhDs. We got a decent education in a very tight-knit homeschool network. Academic achievement and success on the career path was assumed. But I secretly knew all I wanted to do was get married and have babies. I consciously made the decision to make that my work.

I am a professional mother. That is not a political statement. I am talking about my calling and sense of purpose in life. I do feel pain and growth in this area. There was a time when all I did was cook and clean and play with and educate babies. That made me happy. My life was sublime. It was like a combination of Love Comes Softly, The Sound of Music, Mary Poppins, and Little House on the Prairie...

My first husband and I split, and it took me 5 years to accept that that era had ended. I still nurture and adore my children, and I still homeschool. My home is still a refuge for children who need understanding, but my role in the home has changed. I don't have time for beautiful home cooked meals, morning tea, and baked bread. I don't have time for arts and crafts, plays, poetry readings, adventures, house parties, WWF wrestling matches (which my children only know about by my own description-lol).

I am now the money maker. I'm still mama. I'm still home (I work at home). I've still got my eye on the prize, which has to do with guiding really wonderful people into adulthood. It's just not in the way I thought I would be. I really do embrace the changes, but also think back on those times with a somewhat painful nostalgia.

Whatever I'm doing now for work, I am doing because I am a mother, because if I weren't a mother I'd be globe trotting....I do alright in the arena people would call a traditional career. Like I said, I didn't go to Uni. So the position I hold is pretty decent, considering. I work in e-commerce, and my job is pretty unusual. My department is a team of three, and we have tons of flexibility. I can't complain. My work and my new focus on earning, does inspire a new kind of creativity in me. I'm excited to see what I can do with some of my ideas....

I hope my very personal explanation of my experience of both pain and growth (Chiron) in my ambitions (MC) came across in a way you could understand, if not relate to, Arachne18.

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