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sxorpia
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posted February 07, 2015 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sxorpia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah, I agree. I'm very grateful to both my biological and adoptive family for giving me the great life I've had, but my being adopted is certainly something I've struggled with.

I don't mean to derail the thread, but do you have anyone you know who was also adopted that you can talk to or confide in? I was adopted so I can empathize... I've known a few people who were as well and sometimes talking to others who've experienced the same can help some. I've found it's nearly impossible and subsequently very frustrating to try to clearly convey emotions concerning it to others who havent actually been adoptees x

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posted February 07, 2015 01:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Down The Rabbit Hole     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry Ami Anne, I don't want you to think I was attacking you or anything!

I still somewhat disagree with you on this, but I respect your opinion.

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posted February 07, 2015 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Down The Rabbit Hole:
I'm sorry Ami Anne, I don't want you to think I was attacking you or anything!

I still somewhat disagree with you on this, but I respect your opinion!!



I didn't see an attack, my Friend.

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posted February 07, 2015 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Arachne18:
Okay thank you. I have chiron in the 9th house (conjunct Jupiter, square saturn & sextile Mars, pretty much all exact). I find it hard to associate Chiron with pain to do with 9th house issues and supposedly having Jupiter is meant to expand this in a negative way. BTW I read your topic post about Chiron in the houses which was interesting & am pretty certain of my tob. So if I haven't experienced any negative effects as yet in relation to my chiron, do you think it's still to come OR could Jupiter on chiron make it a lucky or beneficial aspect in my chart? Hope that makes sense.

DF thank you, that was interesting to read. My sister in law has chiron in the 7th, she has a bucket chart, chiron is the handle & is opposite a stellium in the 1st house so consequently she has had many relationship struggles. Interesting too about lilith, the conjunction to Chiron sounds very positive. Asteroid lilith is also in my 8th with my sun. Thank you.



Hi Arachne18. I also wanted to add two things.

The first is before I could think about how the Moon and Chiron affect my MC I had to develop a clear understanding of the what my MC is to me- balancing out my own experience and text-book descriptions.

The second thing. One person's description of emotional pain may not be the same as another's. It's like love. I embrace suffering because I always learn. Because of this I can't always relate to the words astrologers use to describe an experience, but that's not their fault they're only human like the rest of us. I just suggest not being afraid to assert some independence in interpreting interpretations.

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posted February 07, 2015 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I cannot find much info about Nessus Conjunct Mars in the natal?

I have this aspect, within 2 degrees (in virgo, 4th house)

can anyone say something about this aspect?

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posted February 07, 2015 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I cannot find much info about Nessus Conjunct Mars in the natal?

I have this aspect, within 2 degrees (in virgo, 4th house)

can anyone say something about this aspect?


This one would make you prone to abuse. 2 degrees is wide for an asteroid so it would be more ambient than exact. Virgo is mutable, so it would not be as much of an "aggressive" thing as it would be in a cardinal sign such as Capricorn. I really don't look at the asteroids, by house, as much as by conjunction with personal planets.

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posted February 07, 2015 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
I cannot find much info about Nessus Conjunct Mars in the natal?

I have this aspect, within 2 degrees (in virgo, 4th house)

can anyone say something about this aspect?


I have this aspect in cancer rx 2.5 degrees

I'm not an abuser at all! I have had someone bring out that side of me by abusing me in the same way I had been abused, but it's not my nature at all and I stopped it before it went anywhere.

My particular case-
"Nessus cancer@2.24rx conjunct Mars gemini@29.44 in 9th house"-this shows the way this went down

•Rx-shows the energy was coming at me or into me

•Cancer- shows my childhood, my nurturers, the ones meant to love me in my home

•Nessus conjunct gemini Mars-shows it was brutal abuse

•Mars in the sign of gemini shows it was not only physical but mental and verbal abuse

•In my 9th house-shows the spiritual or religious side of it. He abused me "in the name of God" he said he was purifying me so I was acceptable and clean before God. He was deeply into a cult as was my mom.

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posted February 07, 2015 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gabby

You are right about the Houses. What does your Deja do if you were the victim? What do you have conj your vertex?

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posted February 07, 2015 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Gabby

You are right about the Houses. What does your Deja do if you were the victim? What do you have conj your vertex?


Deianira conjunct Moon/Child in 12th house
Chiron is 3 degrees from my Vertex in my 7th house

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posted February 07, 2015 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Deianira conjunct Moon/Child in 12th house
Chiron is 3 degrees from my Vertex in my 7th house

How close is the deja/Moon/Child conjunction, Gabby?

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posted February 07, 2015 10:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Deianira conjunct Moon/Child in 12th house
Chiron is 3 degrees from my Vertex in my 7th house

How close is the deja/Moon/Child conjunction, Gabby?


Dejanira virgo@15.18
Moon virgo@18.35
Child virgo@19.18

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posted February 07, 2015 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That placement prolly accounted for your being abused and not an abuser.

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posted February 07, 2015 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That placement prolly accounted for your being abused and not an abuser.


I would have to agree!
To me this placement shows what the brutality of that abuse did to my heart.
What I think it did was give me a lot of pain in my childhood and a lot of empathy, esp since it's an unaspected moon in 12th.
That empathy prevents me from hurting others. I've always known what it feels like to be hurt to the core of your being...I can't stand the thought of hurting someone else and causing even an ounce of that pain in them. I only want to love others and help them heal the psi they carry around with them.


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posted February 07, 2015 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unaspected Moon could NEVER, EVER be an abuser imo

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posted February 07, 2015 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Unaspected Moon could NEVER, EVER be an abuser imo


What I find interesting is the orbs between these asteroids and my Moon
Child(0 degree)
Dejanira(3 degree)

Dejanira conjunct Moon unites vulnerability and emotions
The empathy I have left me very vulnerable to more abuse because i thought of others before myself so I didn't protect myself.
But as I got older I've learned how to care about myself and protect myself the same way I've always protected others hearts.

Dejanira is 3 degrees from my Moon-
To me that shows that I have an opportunity for change, it would not be impossible because I had enough emotional distance from those vulnerabilities to overcome them with work.


But my asteroid Child being exact on my Moon shows as a child I had no escape from what was happening to me. No wiggle room for an alternative life event or chance to escape it...it's an exact aspect!

My Nessus is quintile my Dejanira....
Nessus Cancer@2.24-virgo@14.24 would be the exact 72 degree from Nessus
Dejanira virgo@15.18

"The quintile aspect is 72 degrees. "The quintile is a very positive aspect which is formed when two planets are 72 degrees apart. It is of a spiritual nature, and when its exactness (the orb) is narrow (less than half a degree, preferably), it plays out as powerfully as a sextile or a trine, and with an even stronger impact."


I think also the fact that Nessus is 2.5 degree from my
Mars shows yes, something bad will happen but the outcome of how it affects my will and drive in life has the chance to recover from what happened to me.
Had it been an exact aspect, I probably could not have separated myself from Nessus, I would have become that energy, maybe self abusive though since it's retrograde. Maybe I would have killed myself?

I'm not saying an exact cannot be overcome but I have enough distance that it has been easier than it would have been if it had been exact.

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posted February 07, 2015 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brilliant Gabby!!

Yes, I have an exact aspect with Child and Deja. The rest of my chart is totally blessed but that one aspect has ruined my life. I have not been able to overcome it, no matter how hard I tried.

I am now through the love of God. However, the exact aspect is like this. It is very intransigent.

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posted February 07, 2015 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Gabby

The asteroids have a very narrow orb. Some Astrologers only allow exact. Hence, your Mars is not really truly conjunct Nessus, by the standards of many people.

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posted February 07, 2015 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Brilliant Gabby!!

Yes, I have an exact aspect with Child and Deja. The rest of my chart is totally blessed but that one aspect has ruined my life. I have not been able to overcome it, no matter how hard I tried.

I am now through the love of God. However, the exact aspect is like this. It is very intransigent.


Amy would you let me look at your chart and tell you what I see? Maybe I will be able to see some outlets to help you get different perspective and use the pain from that aspect in a new way.

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posted February 07, 2015 02:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Write to me. You know how to get me. My chart is truly blessed except this one aspect, as far as I can see. It is as if God gave me all I could handle and not a smidgen more. lol

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posted February 07, 2015 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Gabby

The asteroids have a very narrow orb. Some Astrologers only allow exact. Hence, your Mars is not really truly conjunct Nessus, by the standards of many people.


Thank you Ami!
I'm ok with it being an aspect in my chart, I understand it and how it has played out. It doesn't make me worry about myself...it does add extra spice to sex though!! Lol

This astrologer(me) knows what happened and what I felt...I know it's a valid conjunction because I lived it and felt it.
My will to live and ability to protect myself (Mars) was tragically affected by that severity of abuse. But that 2.5 degrees does give room for healing!

I feel bad for the astrologers that are so strict, I feel like they must miss some potent aspects that do play roles in their clients lives.

I do believe it could have been worse...the exact aspect probably would have meant I lived my entire childhood with him instead of just a few years!

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posted February 07, 2015 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sxorpia:
I don't mean to derail the thread, but do you have anyone you know who was also adopted that you can talk to or confide in? I was adopted so I can empathize... I've known a few people who were as well and sometimes talking to others who've experienced the same can help some. I've found it's nearly impossible and subsequently very frustrating to try to clearly convey emotions concerning it to others who havent actually been adoptees x


I do have a few adopted friends, yeah, but not too many. I really appreciate your offer, and might have to take you up on it at some point, so thank you! xxx

Ami Anne, I also have my Nessus conjunct my Vertex and Vesta, all within 1 degree (in 6th House/Libra). Would that make me prone to abuse as well? My first boyfriend 8 years ago was an abuser but I've been very cautious about making sure people I've dated since then do not have abusive qualities.

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posted February 07, 2015 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you have Nessus conj your vertx, very close, not more than 2 degrees, abusers will come into your life. If Vesta is there, people who will sacrifice for your good will come into your life, too, M.

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posted February 07, 2015 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for magpie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've definitely had both abusers and guardian angels in my life. Luckily, I've been able to deflect most of the abusive sorts.

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posted February 07, 2015 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I've definitely had both abusers and guardian angels in my life. Luckily, I've been able to deflect most of the abusive sorts.

Makes sense, my Friend.

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posted February 07, 2015 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@DeepFreeze or anyone who can tell me.

How did you get all of those asteroids in your chart? I can't figure it out at astro.com.

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