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Ami Anne
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posted February 05, 2015 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a question for Nessus conj the Sun. I met a guy with that but don't want to ask him if his father was really abusive. Would this be the case, do you think?

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posted February 05, 2015 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by magpie:
Hmm, I have Algol conjunct my Ascendant (2 degree orb) but wouldn't hurt a fly. Well, okay, maybe a mosquito. I don't even have urges to hurt things or people.

What does your Moon do? Jupiter?

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posted February 05, 2015 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by babybull82:
Now see this is interesting..I put up a thread today asking about nessus conjunct nn and the moon in syanstry, but I got my head bitten off because they didn't like the fact that another person was asking the same question again. I DID do a google search on it but didn't pull up much info. Plus I'd rather hear stories from personal experience. I do believe these asteroids are activated when they are touching another person's planets especially a conjunction.

His nessus is conjuncting my nn at 0 degrees and my moon conjuncts his nessus at 1 degree..I just wanted to know if there was a potential for us to bring out abusive qualities in each other.

I know this is about natal aspects but I was just reminded of it because someone mentioned their partners mars activating their nessus.


Yes, there is that possibility.
These aspects are like sitting there knocking on the door to Nessus house ...the door may be closed but the right thing happens and that door will fly open.
Usually little irritants will pop up and the way you handle it will grow less and less understanding of each other.
Watch out that you don't allow these things to get out of control.
Nessus at first is just a dark energy, maybe just a reactive thought that's a bit darker than normal. But overtime little irritants and it grows....don't let it grow!

My ex was full blown abusive, at first I was totally apologetic and compliant, eventually I got to where I had really dark thoughts of things that could happen to him, things that would seriously hurt him..and it would make me laugh. OMG! That scared me!
But I didn't realize what was happening, eventually one day when he was about to knock me down...I'm not sure what happened I blacked out and woke up standing over him beating him up with a shoe, he was curled up on the floor crying. I'm 5'2 105lbs, he's 5'11 175lbs

I knew I had to get him as far from me as possible because I knew I could kill him. I had to stop him from pushing me that far. So Nessus drive me to protect myself in order to prevent myself from destroying my life by going savage on him.
I did buy a gun, found out my rights on what would be considered self defense and what wouldn't. I learned how to use the gun and showed him how good I was at shooting. Part of me, Nessus wanted him to give me a reason to go savage but the rest of me wanted him to leave me alone so I nobody would get hurt.
So I scared him a lot, the rational side of me scared him to the point he was so afraid of me he stopped abusing me. He thought I was crazy, I kind of wondered if I was losing my mind to!? Lol

Today we are friends....lol...he told me last time we talked that I didn't really hurt him when I was hitting him. He said he was letting me hit him.
He said he knew he deserved it and wanted me to get all my anger out. He said he was crying not because it hurt but because he was sorry for all the times he'd hurt me. But after that all I had to do was take my shoe off and act like I was going to hit him and he ran for me, even if I was wearing flip flops!!

I might edit this later, so please don't quite this.....it's kind of personal and this is a very active thread.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To me, Nessus is abuse. I think it will play out as abuse. I have never seen anyone overcome it, although I am sure some people have but it would only be through a true relationship with God imo

Hence, if you see Nessus in the natal or synastry, I think it will play out as abuse.

That is my opinion and people differ, which is fine, but that is how I see it.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well thanks so much for sharing Gabby. Do you think that a person has to have experienced abuse during childhood for this aspect to be a trigger?

I mean, if I was never abused, would someone aspecting my Nessus even matter?

I have been impatient with Cancers (the ones in my life). That's where Nessus falls, conjunct my Sun. But I just changed my behavior. They are sensitive, and need me to slow down. They need my attention, etc...

It's funny the way I'm talking about my own Sun sign like I am not a Cancer...

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posted February 05, 2015 10:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
To me, Nessus is abuse. I think it will play out as abuse. I have never seen anyone overcome it, although I am sure some people have but it would only be through a true relationship with God imo

Hence, if you see Nessus in the natal or synastry, I think it will play out as abuse.

That is my opinion and people differ, which is fine, but that is how I see it.


But everyone has it. Does that mean everyone is an abuser? Or does it have to be aspected? Or unaspected?

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posted February 05, 2015 10:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Down The Rabbit Hole     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 05, 2015 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Thank you Gabby!!

I don't have many words to share back with you but it's very very much appreciated!
I couldn't figure out how this works.


Strength of character makes a lot of difference!

My Nessus is also trine Uranus, but it doesn't square my Pluto. I would hope that could make your Pluto combating Nessus...your Pluto looking to destroy things that are not productive and a positive influence and Nessus would be seen as a dark destructive force that had no good qualities and Pluto would want no part of it.
That's just my opinion and hope for how that aspect would play out. Of course aspects to Pluto and it's strength would make a difference.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is what I think. It depends what Nessus does, in terms of how it will play out. In the natal, if nessus conj Venus, the person seems to BE abused because Venus is a yin planet( passive)

Nessus conj Mars, the Sun and ASC and MC seems to be an abuser.

In synastry, one's Nessus can be touched by another person in which case, it can/may/will(most likely) play out.

Dejanira is the victim. These often both play out in synastry.

I have many articles on it.

Everything I write about I have lived or seen in the thousands of charts I have done.

I get all my info from first hand experience.

That being said, you can see that people differ and that is, always, fine with me!

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posted February 05, 2015 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, the sign of Nessus seems to matter. Earth signs may be physical abuse and air signs may be verbal.

Also, Nessus conj the DSC in the natal may find his partners to be abusive.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Well thanks so much for sharing Gabby. Do you think that a person has to have experienced abuse during childhood for this aspect to be a trigger?

I mean, if I was never abused, would someone aspecting my Nessus even matter?

I have been impatient with Cancers (the ones in my life). That's where Nessus falls, conjunct my Sun. But I just changed my behavior. They are sensitive, and need me to slow down. They need my attention, etc...

It's funny the way I'm talking about my own Sun sign like I am not a Cancer...


It doesn't necessarily mean abuse you remember or maybe repressed. Nessus can indicate pains that are held in your soul or subconscious mind.
Nessus is what it is...the abuser, the abused! Sorry...just be careful with it's energy! Watch out for dark thoughts, don't let them go without acknowledging they are not appropriate. Even if you can't stop them, just acknowledge that you don't want to think that way.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Gabby for sharing your story.

I mean I won't lie in my question I did ask if this was a warning to keep my distance, but I think I have a valid reason for being concerned because looking back on a past relationship I plugged in nessus and everything just made sense after that. I just don't want to end up in a situation of getting hurt. I just see it as being aware and cautious that's all.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for babybull82     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So is it safe to say that nessus in cancer could lead to emotional abuse?

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posted February 05, 2015 10:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you Gabby for sharing your story.

I mean I won't lie in my question I did ask if this was a warning to keep my distance, but I think I have a valid reason for being concerned because looking back on a past relationship I plugged in nessus and everything just made sense after that. I just don't want to end up in a situation of getting hurt. I just see it as being aware and cautious that's all.


Just keep your eyes open, listen to your inner voice and pay close attention to your thoughts.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So is it safe to say that nessus in cancer could lead to emotional abuse?

Manipulation and emotional abuse...yes

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posted February 05, 2015 10:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So after all that...I really messed up. I was toggling between my natal and a synastry chart and started talking about Nessus in Cancer with out checking the charts. I do have Nessus in Cancer, but too far from my Sun to matter, right? Nessus 15.33, Sun 24.17.

It's someone else's Nessus right on my Sun. His Nessus 25.18. BUT his Pluto and Saturn square my Sun, so they also square his Nessus.

My 1st house Jupiter always make me a glass is half full kind of girl. Am I reaching?

His Eros is in Cancer too. Right on his Asc.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami would avoid me if she saw my chart :P

Aries Mars in the 12th square Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Moon in Capricorn in the 8th. Rawr.

Scorpio Sun conjunct Pluto might also add to the perceived problem.

Nothing like an emotionally repressed 8th Cappy Moon squaring a pent up impulsive 12th Aries Mars amirite amirite

I promise I'm really really nice. I actually do sometimes say if I saw my own chart without knowing me I'd say that guy probably has some real issues.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is WAY too far to matter, Venus lol

I did not feel Nessus conj the Sun in you, so was surprised when you said it.

ASteroids have to be very, very close.

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posted February 05, 2015 10:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Koho:
Ami would avoid me if she saw my chart :P

Aries Mars in the 12th square Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Moon in Capricorn in the 8th. Rawr.

Scorpio Sun conjunct Pluto might also add to the perceived problem.

Nothing like an emotionally repressed 8th Cappy Moon squaring a pent up impulsive 12th Aries Mars amirite amirite

I promise I'm really really nice. I actually do sometimes say if I saw my own chart without knowing me I'd say that guy probably has some real issues.



Put up your chart, K!

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posted February 05, 2015 11:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio Sun conjunct Pluto might also add to the perceived problem.

I love Sun conj Pluto. It makes for a real strength. I admire it!

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posted February 05, 2015 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That is WAY too far to matter, Venus lol

I did not feel Nessus conj the Sun in you, so was surprised when you said it.

ASteroids have to be very, very close.


I honestly don't know which way is up. LOL

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posted February 05, 2015 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Put up your chart, K!



I know you're talking to Koho, but we should have a chart party. I soooo want to do it, I just want to go up alone. I kind of want to get lost in the crowd, but still be there...like a party.

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posted February 05, 2015 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Put up your chart, Venus. I am not doing a professional one now, so don't feel pressured so can do more here!

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posted February 05, 2015 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
So after all that...I really messed up. I was toggling between my natal and a synastry chart and started talking about Nessus in Cancer with out checking the charts. I do have Nessus in Cancer, but too far from my Sun to matter, right? Nessus 15.33, Sun 24.17.

It's someone else's Nessus right on my Sun. His Nessus 25.18. BUT his Pluto and Saturn square my Sun, so they also square his Nessus.

My 1st house Jupiter always make me a glass is half full kind of girl. Am I reaching?

His Eros is in Cancer too. Right on his Asc.


His Nessus on your Sun, he could be abusive to your ego, he could use manipulations that make you feel worthless, question your identity and self worth.

His Pluto square your Sun and his Nessus....how you identify yourself, the things that make you feel good about yourself push his buttons.
You naturally put pressure on some already stressed places in his chart and if he's not a self aware person I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of his frustration when you, just being you, makes him feel frustration and irritation about nothing.

Is his Nessus conjunct any personal planets in his chart?

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posted February 05, 2015 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Koho     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think there should be a thread where everyone post up their chart like an intro so we can all just "meet"

Anyway I'm just funnin' mostly.

I'll put my chart in here as a link instead of a big thread stealing picture :P I'm feeling all shy at the moment

My Sun Pluto conjunction is pretty wide but I do feel it rather well

Check out that supa sexy Mars getting all that attention

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=hty9m0&s=8#.VNQ95f7F-So

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