posted March 08, 2015 10:56 AM            

But part of that honesty I have to admit, thinks that it's really sad on do many levels. For you, for any men that think like you, for women...

Wow.

posted March 08, 2015 11:01 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Marriage is a contract, but because you're in love you assume the terms are understood and the same, agreed upon.

I just struggle with the lack of form and structure in Western marriage contracts.

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posted March 08, 2015 11:05 AM            

I'm also struggling to understand what you mean by " the lack of form and structure in Western marriage contracts"

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posted March 08, 2015 11:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
Not offended, no worries. I disagree though. I don't think I have anything to shift to. Obviously the future is difficult to know though.

I'm just very open to all modes of relating. I suspect you think I should be a more intense and commitment wanting 7th Scorpio Sun and Mars 12ther. I can do that.

But I also acknowledge that it isn't the only way of relating. I disagree in the sense that the correct way of love and sex is through deepness and intensity and that it makes you a more spiritually soul-fulfilled person.

The lowliest of people can be in a deeply committed spiritual and lovely sexual relationship while the greatest of people can be asexual, polyamorous, or generally uncommitted. How a person sexually relates to people has nothing to do with their soul integrity.

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I disagree with this. The view on sexuality as being something "casual", disconnected from the human soul and spiritual evolution seems so outdated to me, an idea fit for the 60s, something that was needed for the necessary step towards sexual emancipation (freeing sex from marriage and love), one of those necessary, transitory ideas towards something greater, this doesn't make it true Practicing sex as a fun physical release with strangers similarly with going to the toilets with fun strangers, it can be fun, but is and always will be far behind and below intimacy, sacred sexuality and love, never equal, and practicing this for a long time or forever is like accepting to be 1% of yourself.

Let's not mask a desire for sexual experimentation or whatever motivates you behind a so-called enlightened, modern, "polyamorous", free, open so called philosophy. It is what it is, nothing more.

Not that I blame you, there are charismatic (and usually psychopathic - no connection with you here) leaders who created an entire religion behind the simple wish to **** as many ducks (quoting Hepburn here as they can, whenever they want, however they want, always younger and morebeautiful : Crowley, Jones, Koresh, the hell, all of them hahahaha

This comes from something else.

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posted March 08, 2015 11:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
This is why you aren't getting any. Why are you negotiating with women? We aren't a collective business, despite what you learned at the 'restaurant.' We're not here to benefit you. If you want sex, fine, go to the 'restaurant,' if you're ok with everything that's been brought up above. If you want anything more than that, you gotta work on that 'not viewing women as human' thing..

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posted March 08, 2015 11:25 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Not all women who enter into this profession are damaged. I know many are, and I am not sure who Aquaguy is seeing, but reform in this industry would actually allow women for whom this work is not immoral to negotiate terms and conditions with a bit more leverage, benefiting them and elevating their condition. Again, contracts.

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If they aren't, they will be. Reform (and I don't deny its importance) can't change the psychological, physical and spiritual consequences of this activity in the long run.

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posted March 08, 2015 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:

Gatekeepers... that's stand up comedy funny!

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That's a very romantic term, I didn't realize AG is so romantic, it reminds me of the Lord of the Rings, Aquaguy, for some reason, you always remind me of LOTR hahaha

I mean it, I'm not trying to be mean, you should start looking for the One Ring

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posted March 08, 2015 11:35 AM            

I don't think I've ever laughed as hard as I have reading page 4. WOW just wow!!! I feel embarrassed.

posted March 08, 2015 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Venustinkerbell, there is so much beauty, struggle and quest in your posts and with your permission, I have a lot to say and ask about them, but I want to get something nasty out of the way first: the idea that another human being can a be a need-fulfillment-provider for you, have I sensed this right or am I wrong? Because I think there is a difference between finally realizing what kind of partner one needs and looking for him - which is an epic, very positive moment equal to finding oneself- and this illusion someone was born to fulfill our needs on a schedule or according to a specific arrangement, "contract", terms and condtions. Not only selfish and contrary to relational principles (I am talking about genuine relationship based on mutual love, kinship, compatibility, care, their format is not important, marriages, friendships etc), but also totally utopic and negative.

I'm also struggling to understand what you mean by " the lack of form and structure in Western marriage contracts"

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posted March 08, 2015 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Well LeeLoo, I was sharing. For me sharing does not come with the condition that I'll be understood or agreed with. Sometimes I am not understood, and sometimes I do not understand, but it is not my habit to hash things out over the web, as I am a very physical and expressive, and entertaining communicator. I need to look deep into your eyes and put a spell on you when I am proving my points. So share is all it is.

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posted March 08, 2015 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
If they aren't, they will be. Reform (and I don't deny its importance) can't change the psychological, physical and spiritual consequences of this activity in the long run.

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Exactly! They definitely aren't happy or look forward to sleeping with complete strangers each night/hour. People involved are clearly void of something and it's definitely not positive. Women involved in that business are usually those with daddy issues, those who have men issues, women who aren't happy with themselves and need men that don't know them to make them feel anything other than the disappointment they feel in themselves. Either way you look at it there's some damage there. Usually men who aren't attractive or have issues getting women, getting sex are the ones that seek prostitutes. That in itself would take away the pride of anyone who has to sleep with such individuals. I mean can you imagine having to force yourself to have sex with someone you don't want to? I know I can't. That's what these individuals do and they do it for money. Very sad.

posted March 08, 2015 11:53 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I disagree with this. The view on sexuality as being something "casual", disconnected from the human soul and spiritual evolution seems so outdated to me, an idea fit for the 60s, something that was needed for the necessary step towards sexual emancipation (freeing sex from marriage and love), one of those necessary, transitory ideas towards something greater, this doesn't make it true Practicing sex as a fun physical release with strangers similarly with going to the toilets with fun strangers, it can be fun, but is and always will be far behind and below intimacy, sacred sexuality and love, never equal, and practicing this for a long time or forever is like accepting to be 1% of yourself.

Let's not mask a desire for sexual experimentation or whatever motivates you behind a so-called enlightened, modern, "polyamorous", free, open so called philosophy. It is what it is, nothing more.

Not that I blame you, there are charismatic (and usually psychopathic - no connection with you here) leaders who created an entire religion behind the simple wish to **** as many ducks (quoting Hepburn here as they can, whenever they want, however they want, always younger and morebeautiful : Crowley, Jones, Koresh, the hell, all of them hahahaha

This comes from something else.

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The view that sexuality cannot be separated from the soul comes from something older than the 60s. It may seem outdated to others. But there's really no need to go down history.

I wouldn't equate casual sex as going to the toilets with strangers. That's a rather silly comparison unless you willingly apply that nastiness to sex in general.

I think we've hit a wall here. So I won't attempt to change your core belief but I do wish to point something out - there's a difference in attitudes here. Your opinion carries a very strong, self righteous attitude toward people who practice other forms of sexuality than you. It's very closed minded to think that your way is the only way and to characterize other forms as toilet-esque activities, cult-like fascination, psychopathic manipulation, and achieving only 1% of yourself.

If a polyamorist wrote in the manner you wrote I would offer the same advice

posted March 08, 2015 11:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Exactly! They definitely aren't happy or look forward to sleeping with complete strangers each night/hour. People involved are clearly void of something and it's definitely not positive. Women involved in that business are usually those with daddy issues, those who have men issues, women who aren't happy with themselves and need men that don't know them to make them feel anything other than the disappointment they feel in themselves. Either way you look at it there's some damage there. Usually men who aren't attractive or have issues getting women, getting sex are the ones that seek prostitutes. That in itself would take away the pride of anyone who has to sleep with such individuals. I mean can you imagine having to force yourself to have sex with someone you don't want to? I know I can't. That's what these individuals do and they do it for money. Very sad.

I'm absolutely not judging here and if anyone feels that I am in my posts then I apologize because that's not my intent. Just speaking what's on my mind.

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posted March 08, 2015 12:01 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
^^^^^^
So you laugh at me and talk down to me and then try to act nice? Don't p*ss in my face and tell me it's raining. I could stoop to your level but i'm not going to do that. I much prefer to let peoples lack of character speak for themselves.

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Whatever you say, AG. Always stooping to call names when anyone says anything you don't like.

posted March 08, 2015 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
It is judging. But it is also really really hard to have an opinion without judgement so that's ok?

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Well I said in my post that it wasn't my intention. It's my outlook on the subject. If you choose to take offense then that's on you. I wasn't targeting anyone or calling names, no need to get defensive, Koho.

posted March 08, 2015 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
The view that sexuality cannot be separated from the soul comes from something older than the 60s. It may seem outdated to others. But there's really no need to go down history.

I wouldn't equate casual sex as going to the toilets with strangers. That's a rather silly comparison unless you willingly apply that nastiness to sex in general.

I think we've hit a wall here. So I won't attempt to change your core belief but I do wish to point something out - there's a difference in attitudes here. Your opinion carries a very strong, self righteous attitude toward people who practice other forms of sexuality than you. It's very closed minded to think that your way is the only way and to characterize other forms as toilet-esque activities, cult-like fascination, psychopathic manipulation, and achieving only 1% of yourself.

If a polyamorist wrote in the manner you wrote I would offer the same advice

It is best not to confuse individual preference for universal sacredness or expanded consciousness.

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I hate it when this happens. So you are suggesting expressing a strong opinion is equal to being self righteous, narrow-minded and intolerant.

When the only thing you had to do now, and I am still waiting for it, is to explain the spirituality, sacredness, expanded consciousness you experience in casual sex with strangers and the difference between casual sex with strangers and fulfilling a physical release for a physical need (similar to going to the toilets).

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posted March 08, 2015 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Well I said in my post that it wasn't my intention. If you choose to take offense then that's on you. I wasn't targeting anyone or calling names, no need to get defensive, Koho.

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posted March 08, 2015 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

Oh don't try to turn it around on me... I was a genuinely nice and decent guy that wanted a serious relationship but I was shot out of the sky one too many times. See, I was a fool and a loser for ever thinking women wanted a guy like me. I was the type of guy that was honest,loyal, and treated women with respect. I complied with all the feminist bs about respecting women and their boundaries. Guess what? Women hated and despised me... They'd toy with my emotions,insult and put me down, or outright ignore me.... They treated me like scum on their shoes... Meanwhile they were green-lighting every d-bag coming and going. Despite all the rejection and heartache I dealt with I kept my moral compass and held out hope that I would have my day. That day never came........ And I would still see women green-lighting the d-bags they claim to hate. Years of seeing this took its tole on me but I held on all the same. But finally on new years eve the old me officially died..... You see I went up to my old friend's new years eve party and got to meet his new girlfriend. Since I hadn't seen my friend in awhile it was my first time meeting her. She was attractive, nice, smart, and funny.. She's the type of girl I always wanted. Well guess what? That girl is with my friend who is a major d-bag when it comes to women. He has cheated on every woman he's ever been with and he does it with a smile on his face. He's been getting laid like a rockstar since high school and has never went without some sort of female companionship. Me? I played by all the rules and treated women with respect and got jack....... Seeing my friend with his new girlfriend was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. He didn't respect women, treated them like crap, and here he is with a with a good women while i'm still perpetually single. It just drove home how much of a fool and a sucker i've been. I bought what women were selling me hook,line,and sinker despite all the evidence that it was bs right in front of my face. Well no more..... I'm not anybody's sucker anymore.... I'm not getting back on the hamster wheel. Say what you want.... But i'm not a loser for seeing the game for what it is and giving up. I was a loser for ever believing the lies women told me. [/B]

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posted March 08, 2015 12:11 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I hate it when this happens. So you are suggesting expressing a strong opinion is equal to being self righteous, narrow-minded and intolerant.

When the only thing you had to do now, and I am still waiting for it, is to explain the spirituality, sacredness, expanded consciousness you experience in casual sex with strangers and the difference between casual sex with strangers and fulfilling a physical release for a physical need (similar to going to the toilets).

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posted March 08, 2015 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:

I was just pointing out you kinda have to be judgemental to have an opinion. It's kinda the nature of an opinion. Not defensive, don't care about the topic with AG, just made an observation

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