posted August 20, 2015 02:56 AM            

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Do you have a Gemini Moon, as well? That's what I have, and I usually like it - I just think it was a bit odd to be born with it, and have it squared by such a watery Mars. I annoy myself at times.

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I think the annoyance is worse with the squares. Mine is conjunct Mars (also in Gemini), squares my Venus and Mercury. My Virgo stellium just wants to hit my Gemini Moon and Mars over the head with a book (a heavy one, filled with relevant heath information and proper citations).

posted August 20, 2015 03:06 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I think the annoyance is worse with the squares. Mine is conjunct Mars (also in Gemini), squares my Venus and Mercury. My Virgo stellium just wants to hit my Gemini Moon and Mars over the head with a book (a heavy one, filled with relevant heath information and proper citations).

What is your Mars in? Depending on which house system I use, my Gemini planets are in 4th or 5th. The 4th house placement provides a little bit of hope.

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Moon/Venus/SN conjunct the cusp of the 8th. In Equal, they're at the end of the 7th. Mars is in Pisces, in the 4th.

posted August 20, 2015 01:53 PM            

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posted August 20, 2015 02:01 PM              

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I think the ones who have experienced trauma and pain in their past are more likely to take the tactic of "you show me yours first" and then maybe, just maybe, they might show you theirs. And it might feel like someone is sticking you with a hot fire poker as they try to figure out what is really going on inside your head.

That being said, I think there's a fine line between the investigative nature that Scorpio is known for and being down right cruel. When you find that your feelings are tremendously hurt after an interaction, that you're being misled/lied to while they demand complete honesty from you, you don't feel any more connected than you did before (or you don't feel any connection at all), etc. I think it's less likely that they're behaving that way out of love. Not all attention is good attention - people can/will pay attention to you if they don't like you or if they're vengeful, for example. Of maybe they've caught a glimpse of what really lies beneath and they're not exactly fond of it, for whatever reason.

The jabs that I experienced came after I had shut a Scorp down two times in a row. I wasn't being mean, I just didn't feel like I knew him very well and I KNEW that he didn't know me well at all. My Venus in Virgo (which is ironically enough in my 8th house) is inclined to move slower than Pluto, even. (I'm literally that person that asks you after fifty years of marriage, three kids and a renewal of vows if you ever loved me at all or if it was just all for show.) Those jabs came in the form of teasing, cruel tricks, extensive lies, etc. so there was nothing really affectionate about it at all. I was definitely dealing with the effects of revenge for turning him down many times.

I say this with a grain of salt, of course. I have a Virgo stellium in 8th House. My brother has a Scorp Moon too and he is the most loyal, protective, eccentric and funny person I've ever known. He's like a big protective bear with a heart of gold. My mother is a Venus Scorp and I consider her my best friend. I've had/have plenty of great friendships with Scorps. I find that when they're interested in having a friendship or relationship with you, there's little room for doubt. You KNOW that they're interested. As someone else said, if you needed a kidney, they would literally hand you one of theirs.

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For myself the moon is a persons core, and personally is my " thing ".
A water moon absorbs a persons energy, good or bad. They truly let a person " just be "... As in literally accepting you for you are, for better or for worse. They don't try to shape or mold, just yearn to find the essence / raw spot with which can they can do what they do best - swim / flow.. WITH YOU! Comfort! They will not let go of this. This can be torture, yes. I also find that earth moons accept you for who you are as well, but there is a fine line because if not evolved water can shape earth. Also, water has no problem with showing you the hidden!
Going from this, what happens is :
1. The non water person / moon will feel accepted, but when things turn sour they may shift blame because really why would you accept these things in the first place? Therefore a water moon can often be seen as a rebound of sorts, a dumping ground.
2. The water person will feel drained because they gave their all by simply accepting your all. If they dare to speak up, it's like wtf? This obviously causes confusion, regardless.
3. The result : non water feels like water is a vampire because it's like a mirror of sorts. When you walk away and you see things in water you don't like, it's simply a reflection of sorts. Water does not have to be right, it just flows. Fixed or not. I like the thought of when you ever pass water, it will always reflect you in either what you want to see at the moment, or what you don't want to see, at the moment. No one ever goes to a reflection unless they want see what they want to... At the moment. If it's cold - why dip in the first place and then complain about it? Same as for being too hot.
We bathe when we're dirty. We drink when we're thirsty. We swim when when we don't want to walk.
When these things are fulfilled, you go back to walking the earth, feeling the airy breeze, and playing with fire.
Rinse and repeat. Water is never unpredictable - when you see lighting, it's going to pour. Point is - if you don't want to get wet, don't.
If you have a cool umbrella, a bathing suit, shelter, or you just like to dance in the rain... You can work with this.
Otherwise if you can't swim or you are not prepared, it will consume you, as it is already drowning in itself.
Yes, this can come out of nowhere and sometime you can't prepare. This also happens with every single other element though.
When you think of a vacation... Ahh, the beach ( not everyone, of course! ). And then you go back to life, so to speak. Very few people in this world actually would give up everything to go live by the water.

Know who you walk / fly / swim / get hot with.

posted August 20, 2015 11:02 PM            

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For myself the moon is a persons core, and personally is my " thing ".
A water moon absorbs a persons energy, good or bad. They truly let a person " just be "... As in literally accepting you for you are, for better or for worse. They don't try to shape or mold, just yearn to find the essence / raw spot with which can they can do what they do best - swim / flow.. WITH YOU! Comfort! They will not let go of this. This can be torture, yes. I also find that earth moons accept you for who you are as well, but there is a fine line because if not evolved water can shape earth. Also, water has no problem with showing you the hidden!
Going from this, what happens is :
1. The non water person / moon will feel accepted, but when things turn sour they may shift blame because really why would you accept these things in the first place? Therefore a water moon can often be seen as a rebound of sorts, a dumping ground.
2. The water person will feel drained because they gave their all by simply accepting your all. If they dare to speak up, it's like wtf? This obviously causes confusion, regardless.
3. The result : non water feels like water is a vampire because it's like a mirror of sorts. When you walk away and you see things in water you don't like, it's simply a reflection of sorts. Water does not have to be right, it just flows. Fixed or not. I like the thought of when you ever pass water, it will always reflect you in either what you want to see at the moment, or what you don't want to see, at the moment. No one ever goes to a reflection unless they want see what they want to... At the moment. If it's cold - why dip in the first place and then complain about it? Same as for being too hot.
We bathe when we're dirty. We drink when we're thirsty. We swim when when we don't want to walk.
When these things are fulfilled, you go back to walking the earth, feeling the airy breeze, and playing with fire.
Rinse and repeat. Water is never unpredictable - when you see lighting, it's going to pour. Point is - if you don't want to get wet, don't.
If you have a cool umbrella, a bathing suit, shelter, or you just like to dance in the rain... You can work with this.
Otherwise if you can't swim or you are not prepared, it will consume you, as it is already drowning in itself.
Yes, this can come out of nowhere and sometime you can't prepare. This also happens with every single other element though.
When you think of a vacation... Ahh, the beach ( not everyone, of course! ). And then you go back to life, so to speak. Very few people in this world actually would give up everything to go live by the water.

Know who you walk / fly / swim / get hot with.

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I LOVE THIS!!!

Thank you. That was SO WELL SAID.

posted August 20, 2015 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I think the ones who have experienced trauma and pain in their past are more likely to take the tactic of "you show me yours first" and then maybe, just maybe, they might show you theirs.

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Good observation. Yes...but that's so sad.

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
And it might feel like someone is sticking you with a hot fire poker as they try to figure out what is really going on inside your head.

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Hehehe. Well I actually like that part, usually because I feel like I've always tried to keep my motives innocent. So whatever they find, they are welcome to have.

Well not EVERYTHING but...

I am generally open to exploration, a kind of "Let's see what we see." In some ways I can't even see myself without someone else there ~ as HadesFish was talking about, with reflections.

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
When you find that your feelings are tremendously hurt after an interaction, that you're being misled/lied to while they demand complete honesty from you, you don't feel any more connected than you did before (or you don't feel any connection at all), etc. I think it's less likely that they're behaving that way out of love.

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Fortunately/unfortunately I have never actually dated someone with a personal planet in Scorpio. It's like my "no fly zone." But this makes sense, for a committed relationship that's dying...

Everything I'm asking about is relative to shadow situations...people I knew and didn't date...but had a kind of ongoing, long, involved emotional chess game with. Or, this is about friends who dated Scorpios, and some of the things I witnessed happening.

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Of maybe they've caught a glimpse of what really lies beneath and they're not exactly fond of it, for whatever reason.

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True...all true.

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
(I'm literally that person that asks you after fifty years of marriage, three kids and a renewal of vows if you ever loved me at all or if it was just all for show.)

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I've also done things like that. Even after many years of marriage. Sometimes it's like I just want so much more depth, and clarity within the depths. Once in a while I suppose many long-term couples catch sight of how limited their circumstances have become, loaded down with old baggage, and they say things like that..."Is this real?? What are we doing??"

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Those jabs came in the form of teasing, cruel tricks, extensive lies, etc. so there was nothing really affectionate about it at all. I was definitely dealing with the effects of revenge for turning him down many times.

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Ouch...god....horrible......

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
As someone else said, if you needed a kidney, they would literally hand you one of theirs.

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Yes I do love Scorpios, all in all. I have a lot of them in my family, and a few Scorpio friends. They're lovely.

posted August 20, 2015 11:41 PM            

I didn't like being attacked physically, but someone deliberately trying to have you shunned by everyone, and doing their best to get through to you that you're awful, disgusting, that nobody likes you (or loves you), nobody will like you if you meet them in the future, that you're just horrible to be around, and they do their damnedest to destabilize you, so when you freak, you do look crazy? and feel crazy? I'm so ****** . I'm still trying to get over it, but since she's happy because she got what she wanted? she isn't told hat she's basically batshit - at least where I'm concerned.

I had something else to say, but I don't remember what it was. Oh, yeah: I remember dealing with someone on this board, someone who is generally revered as a sweet, calm, level-headed person. Cheerful, too. She can really get angry and mean, and I've been on the receiving end of it more than once, for no good reason. But in the past, I got over it, and her paranoia and reactions to people or situations, actually showed me how I might be affecting other people, when I didn't trust.

posted August 21, 2015 12:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Fortunately/unfortunately I have never actually dated someone with a personal planet in Scorpio. It's like my "no fly zone." But this makes sense, for a committed relationship that's dying...

Everything I'm asking about is relative to shadow situations...people I knew and didn't date...but had a kind ongoing, long, involved emotional chess game with. Or, this is about friends who dated Scorpios, and some of the things I witnessed happening.

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This Virgo is a frequent flyer. I have actually learned more about myself, including my own 8th house tendencies, by being friends with and dating Scorpios. I dated air signs and fire signs, which are all supposed to be "best" for me according to my chart, but there was just no emotional connection at all.

The person I described above, I didn't actually date. Well, if he considered it that it didn't last very long. We had an extended emotional chess game over several months. We existed in this strange, dark area where we actually seemed like we were bonded by all of the crap that we had both been through. Who spills their troubling secrets on a first date? No one does, but we did. And that was refreshing, regardless of anything that did or didn't happen after that. To have that emotional connection, even if it is tied to the parts of your life you'd rather forget.

But I think that's what we all really want, right? To have someone look at us, all of our mistakes, scars and bad moments in our life and not run away screaming. It's even better if they pull out a small piece of their own story and show it to us.

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Originally posted by Faith:
It's just...well everyone has a dark side...

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Absolutely. As someone else pointed out, all of the negativity that people tend to associate with Scorpio (or any water sign, really) more often, I think, comes from the fact that during that unveiling process, they're likely to see some things about themselves that they don't like, don't want to see or simply can't/don't want to comprehend. I understand the "dark side" of Scorpio better than the "dark side" of Virgo sometimes, which I think is much more destructive and elusive in many ways.

posted August 21, 2015 12:16 AM            

God you are the farthest thing from an emotional vampire.

So sorry about your sister...she sounds honestly demented. I hope her luminaries aren't conjunct mine. I mean, not too close.

posted August 21, 2015 12:36 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
We existed in this strange, dark area where we actually seemed like we were bonded by all of the crap that we had both been through. Who spills their troubling secrets on a first date? No one does, but we did.

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Wow!

And what a coincidence...because I had a heavy Scorpio-influenced friend that I told one of my longest-held secrets to, in our first private conversation. God did I regret that!!! LOL ...Because that is so unlike me. I hadn't told a soul this, for over a decade, and thought I would take it to the grave. And I didn't even know how to be that kind of person, who talks about...things I don't talk about.

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
And that was refreshing, regardless of anything that did or didn't happen after that. To have that emotional connection, even if it is tied to the parts of your life you'd rather forget.

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I do understand. Yes it's actually a good memory for me as well, like breaking through a glass wall. Hurt, but you got through...

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
But I think that's what we all really want, right? To have someone look at us, all of our mistakes, scars and bad moments in our life and not run away screaming. It's even better if they pull out a small piece of their own story and show it to us.

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Right

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I understand the "dark side" of Scorpio better than the "dark side" of Virgo sometimes, which I think is much more destructive and elusive in many ways.

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Interesting you say that. Well Virgo is my downfall, I've only said that a hundred times. ETA: Meaning, I love Virgo TOO much.

Maybe you are onto something there? But I tend to always take the blame when it goes south with Virgo, not sure why...maybe they are really REALLY good at making people believe it's all the other person's fault? Or, more likely, it's a synastry thing, in my case.

Still I trust Virgo more than Scorpio, and it's not based on character but simply because we are both earth signs and communicate more clearly amongst ourselves. Things that go unspoken with Scorpio may unnerve me, but what's unspoken with Virgo tends to soothe me. I trust the silence so much more.

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Anyway...this thread is awesome. Thanks for creating it.

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posted August 21, 2015 02:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Interesting you say that. Well Virgo is my downfall, I've only said that a hundred times. ETA: Meaning, I love Virgo TOO much.

Maybe you are onto something there? But I tend to always take the blame when it goes south with Virgo, not sure why...maybe they are really REALLY good at making people believe it's all the other person's fault? Or, more likely, it's a synastry thing, in my case.

Still I trust Virgo more than Scorpio, and it's not based on character but simply because we are both earth signs and communicate more clearly amongst ourselves. Things that go unspoken with Scorpio may unnerve me, but what's unspoken with Virgo tends to soothe me. I trust the silence so much more.

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IMO they are good at that, actually. The problem with analyzing every person, every situation etc. is that you eventually start to keep a running tally of all of the things that you see wrong with a person or situation. You pick up on the little things that no one else notices, so when everything starts to go down the toilet, the evidence is insurmountable. It's hard not to say "Wow, you know, you're right. I didn't even think about that." But sometimes the evidence doesn't match up with the actual situation or the perceived wrong-doing by the other person. And that projection of innocence and perfection doesn't help, either.

I found an article a couple of years back about the "dark side" as well as all the other sides of Virgo.
http://www.elsaelsa.com/astrology/all-virgos-have-a-secret-life-appealing-or-not/

Balance is key. I think we can all embrace the "dark side" of our signs without letting it control us.

And yes, the silence is more comfortable around other earth signs for me too. Whenever I'm around Capricorns or even Taurus, I notice that there's times when neither one of us feels the need to say a word. It's not an uncomfortable silence, either.

posted August 21, 2015 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
It's hard not to say "Wow, you know, you're right. I didn't even think about that." But sometimes the evidence doesn't match up with the actual situation or the perceived wrong-doing by the other person. And that projection of innocence and perfection doesn't help, either.

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Exactly and exactly! I got so used to the Virgos being right (and so did they ) that when they were flat-out wrong, it threw a monkey wrench into our whole dynamic. And this is where my Pisces moon would rather just disappear altogether than contend with it. There was one key turning point in my life, with a Virgo who meant the world to me, where I thought, "Oh, you are really convinced of that? Right...I'll just leave you to your errors. That's the worst retribution I could give you right now."

Sad times because I love Virgo. Well 12-18 Virgo forms a grand cross with my moon, Mars, and Neptune, so it's no wonder I'm a little "much" for them. :-/

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I found an article a couple of years back about the "dark side" as well as all the other sides of Virgo.

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Thanks, this is good!

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The really smart Virgos embrace and even covet their secret life. And these are the Virgos who have tremendous appeal. Like Sophia Loren.

Isn’t she always pulled together? Look how she presents. Perfection! She’s a textbook Virgo (Virgin). Can you imagine her showing up for work with with her hair messed up from last night’s sex? Forget about it! She’s a Virgo!

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Illuminating. And that resonates with me as a 6H sun, too. And it does show the interconnectedness of the Virgo-Pisces axis. Both signs are secretive but...honestly I think they usually do it not so much for self-benefit, but to keep the dirt off their hands so they can help others, almost like putting on a white doctor's coat. I mean service is the dominant theme.

And I think underlying that is pure emotion...but pure emotion isn't always moral.

Song mentioned in the article:

Leonard Cohen ~ In My Secret Life

I love this. Goosebumps!

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Now I'm curious about your chart lol. You mentioned that you're an earth sign. Capricorn? Taurus?

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Here you go

posted August 21, 2015 08:42 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:

Fortunately/unfortunately I have never actually dated someone with a personal planet in Scorpio. It's like my "no fly zone." But this makes sense, for a committed relationship that's dying...

Everything I'm asking about is relative to shadow situations...people I knew and didn't date...but had a kind of ongoing, long, involved emotional chess game with. Or, this is about friends who dated Scorpios, and some of the things I witnessed happening.

It's just...well everyone has a dark side...

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If you have Eighth house placements yourself believe it or not sometimes you actually can repel Scorpio's. This most likely will feel like a brotherly / sisterly thing. No mystery whatsover. This also holds true for a Scorpio moon of some sort.
It can be confusing because you want to dive deeper, but it becomes a stalemate. It is not one sided and you most likely will never feel a negative if you truly realize that it's not a game of hard to get or who gives in first, this is something to bond with.
Scorpio placements will get it, and will move on.
If you can get past this , you can become the best of friends.
On that note... If you ever feel like this towards Pluto placements in general let it go in terms of romance - because it will never be more, its actually one of the times where you can actually walk away even after damage And they will just know. So should you.
Won't care / think twice though, lol!

Pluto placements always experience trauma - that never stops from being 100% from the very start. Unevolved ones may take advantage, but even that won't stop them from giving their all [ at the beginning ]... To get what they want.

If you've ever been called dangerous from a Scorp it's because they feel your essence and it's too much energy for both to have. This can suck because you'll never feel so connected to another.
Also may be the greatest lesson of your life and you usually meet them when you are in search / need of something, or they are.

posted August 21, 2015 09:34 AM            

I was pursued/stalked by a Scorpio sun once. It lasted maybe four years?

He was so attractive, but I just imagined him nibbling my soul down to the bone and then tossing it off.

Yes my own 8H moon is self-protective and couldn't exactly yield to that.

I see what you mean about how Scorpio energy just acknowledges itself and may simply carry on without bonding. It seems in their case, "life is about the journey, not the destination" rings especially true...applied to love, it becomes: "Romance is the process of excavating truth, not simply having it."

If the truth is too easily seen, well..you may just get a nod and a wink and pass like two ships in the night?

posted August 21, 2015 10:15 AM              

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Interesting HadesFish. So glad you joined this site.

I was pursued/stalked by a Scorpio sun once. It lasted maybe four years?

He was so attractive, but I just imagined him nibbling my soul down to the bone and then tossing it off.

Yes my own 8H moon is self-protective and couldn't exactly yield to that.

I see what you mean about how Scorpio energy just acknowledges itself and may simply carry on without bonding. It seems in their case, "life is about the journey, not the destination" rings especially true...applied to love, it becomes: "Romance is the process of excavating truth, not simply having it."

If the truth is too easily seen, well..you may just get a nod and a wink and pass like two ships in the night?

But for me....I am not fully repelled by Scorpios, I still wonder what it's like to play with that fire and get burned, and might be crazy enough to attempt it, if I were single. I say that now that I'm older and recovered from the fresh heartbreaks that prevented me from volunteering to get gobbled down by that Scorpio of my younger years.

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Thanks.

Without being overly dramatic I have been stalked myself.
The Scorpio ones were Scorpio all around except the moon.
I mentioned a sun / Venus one before and we mutually stalked each other .
Because this moon placement naturally holds back, this could have been why. With the scorpions I've never been truly threatened myself ( maybe because of my own aspects ) - seemed like more of a conquest thing.

The worst was a fellow water sun sign and frankly that's for a new thread... That was just not cool.

posted August 21, 2015 01:00 PM            

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
I think the ones who have experienced trauma and pain in their past are more likely to take the tactic of "you show me yours first" and then maybe, just maybe, they might show you theirs. And it might feel like someone is sticking you with a hot fire poker as they try to figure out what is really going on inside your head.

That being said, I think there's a fine line between the investigative nature that Scorpio is known for and being down right cruel. When you find that your feelings are tremendously hurt after an interaction, that you're being misled/lied to while they demand complete honesty from you, you don't feel any more connected than you did before (or you don't feel any connection at all), etc. I think it's less likely that they're behaving that way out of love. Not all attention is good attention - people can/will pay attention to you if they don't like you or if they're vengeful, for example. Of maybe they've caught a glimpse of what really lies beneath and they're not exactly fond of it, for whatever reason.

The jabs that I experienced came after I had shut a Scorp down two times in a row. I wasn't being mean, I just didn't feel like I knew him very well and I KNEW that he didn't know me well at all. My Venus in Virgo (which is ironically enough in my 8th house) is inclined to move slower than Pluto, even. (I'm literally that person that asks you after fifty years of marriage, three kids and a renewal of vows if you ever loved me at all or if it was just all for show.) Those jabs came in the form of teasing, cruel tricks, extensive lies, etc. so there was nothing really affectionate about it at all. I was definitely dealing with the effects of revenge for turning him down many times.

I say this with a grain of salt, of course. I have a Virgo stellium in 8th House. My brother has a Scorp Moon too and he is the most loyal, protective, eccentric and funny person I've ever known. He's like a big protective bear with a heart of gold. My mother is a Venus Scorp and I consider her my best friend. I've had/have plenty of great friendships with Scorps. I find that when they're interested in having a friendship or relationship with you, there's little room for doubt. You KNOW that they're interested. As someone else said, if you needed a kidney, they would literally hand you one of theirs.

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posted August 21, 2015 01:11 PM            

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This explains why you like Virgos so much!

My mom, who is my best friend, has her Cap Sun (11 degrees) in her 6th house. She's an Aries Moon, but her Mercury also falls in Aquarius. Her Venus is in Scorpio and her Mars is in Leo. She married an Aries Sun/Pisces Moon with a lot of Taurus placements, married 32 years now, but she did give birth to a Sun Aquarius and Sun Virgo. We're an interesting bunch.

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Sad times because I love Virgo. Well 12-18 Virgo forms a grand cross with my moon, Mars, and Neptune, so it's no wonder I'm a little "much" for them. :-/

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That's so interesting! I haven't looked to see if any of my planets in Virgo or Capricorn (I have a stellium there, too) form a grand trine with any of my mothers, which might explain why we're so close. My Sun in Virgo is at 17 degrees and my Mercury Rx in Virgo is at 12 degrees.

You seem to have a pretty good grasp of who Virgos really are, which is a difficult thing to understand at times. And you're right, I do think the more evolved Virgos do it to be of service. I work in healthcare and there are plenty of Virgos and 6th house placements to go around. There is pure emotion underneath that contradicts the calm exterior, similar to Scorpio.

posted August 22, 2015 07:11 PM            

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I mentioned a sun / Venus one before and we mutually stalked each other .

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Ideal!

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Originally posted by HadesFish:
With the scorpions I've never been truly threatened myself ( maybe because of my own aspects ) - seemed like more of a conquest thing.

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*a conquest thing*

Interesting....interesting how so much of "romance" and stalking is...just a conquest thing.

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The worst was a fellow water sun sign and frankly that's for a new thread... That was just not cool.

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posted August 22, 2015 07:23 PM            

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My mom, who is my best friend, has her Cap Sun (11 degrees) in her 6th house. She's an Aries Moon, but her Mercury also falls in Aquarius. Her Venus is in Scorpio and her Mars is in Leo. She married an Aries Sun/Pisces Moon with a lot of Taurus placements, married 32 years now, but she did give birth to a Sun Aquarius and Sun Virgo. We're an interesting bunch.

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You sound like a happy family I love that your mom is your best friend. Is your dad's sun conjunct your mom's moon?

It's good to know an Aries moon and Pisces moon can last. I like Aries moons. So refreshingly obvious and direct. Even if they make me want to hide under my bed under a pile of blankets.

No I'm kidding.

Well I want people to believe I'm kidding. It's similar.

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
My Sun in Virgo is at 17 degrees and my Mercury Rx in Virgo is at 12 degrees.

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Lovely ~

Hmm, how do you feel about your Mercury Rx in Virgo? Does it make you introspective?

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
You seem to have a pretty good grasp of who Virgos really are, which is a difficult thing to understand at times. And you're right, I do think the more evolved Virgos do it to be of service. I work in healthcare and there are plenty of Virgos and 6th house placements to go around. There is pure emotion underneath that contradicts the calm exterior, similar to Scorpio.

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Thank you. Yes, all of that is what I would expect. Honestly I don't know how people miss the emotional aspect of Virgo OR Capricorn. But I know they do. I watch it happening before my very eyes. So weird, it's like we are on a wavelength others aren't picking up on. (?) And I wonder if it's like that for other elements, too.

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Originally posted by StubbornVirgo:
Also, hello Mars in Gemini! My Moon & Mars are both in Gemini as well.

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TWO Geminis are always more suitable than one. Both in natal and synastry

posted August 22, 2015 11:57 PM            

Yes I'm lurking. Koho out-ed me. My solar return (which is a tSun in 12h transit) and the recent transits through my Leo 1st house pretty much have me pulling the Hermit card...but I'm at work and I forgot my book...and someone on another thread here at LL said something about skinny girls being "easier to eat", which made me laugh, and laughing made me want to talk so here I am my darling (power of) Faith. Btw, I emailed you eons ago about the photos you sent 😍 they're the sweetest.

About Scorpio, 8th house, Plutonic peeps, and vampires...I don't know. The Scorpios I'm closest to are really or have been really open about everything. Maybe my examples aren't the best. They're my boys and my best girlfriend when I was growing up. As for Koho, Vedic puts his Scorp stellium in Libra, and that's really how I see him...

And as for Venus-Pluto (hard or flowing aspects), I'm sure interacting with this type of person must be disconcerting, but imo I don't think we can generalize when it comes to people who have Pluto aspecting personal planets. I dont think we can really say Pluto-Venus will behave in this one way or that. The planet has its own sign and house as does Pluto.

I have a very lovely Venus if I do say so myself. She's an 11th house Cancer Venus. And my Moon is in Taurus. My Venus is all sweetness...but yes, Pluto is squaring her. Does this make her (or me) a vampiress who behaves in the above mentioned manners? No. Actually the opposite. To the extreme? Yes.

I have issues that can be seen in my Virgo second house and in Taurus (Venus' house and sign), so my third house Libra Pluto is "using" a square to Venus to communicate to the entirety of my chart (spirit) the Value and importance of balance.

Pluto will show us extremes. Plutonian people will live in extremes, but I think it's the theme of the chart that shows us where our grief and fears lie, how our obsessions and compulsions will manifest, and therefore, how people will experience us before and after we've accepted the lessons.

Another thing about Pluto-maybe kind of off topic, but I don't believe Pluto means to teach us anything about controlling the obsessions that are typically associated with Pluto aspects and contacts. The obsession and compulsion is like the fever that is brought on by an infection. We might be obsessive, but that's just a symptom of the actual affliction.

This makes me think of what life as a Scorpio must be like. Pluto is always teaching. Never stops. Scorpio always seems to be in DEEP concentration. Even the lighthearted ones, like my boys, seem to have two minds working at the same time. Pluto is a relentless teacher. Scorpio is managing a pressure and heat (those are the images I get- pressure and heat) most of us experience only superficially or temporarily. I guess sometimes that heat and pressure might escape, or Scorpio might release in a way that is not entirely beneficial to all. I still don't know. My mind is wandering at this point...

😊 Anyway my Scorpios are cool (prolly cuz I raised em), Koho is actually a Plutonic Libra in disguise, and my Sun/Asc/Mars/Venus-Pluto aspects take me to the extreme, but in a direction opposite of how I hear Scorpios described.

posted August 23, 2015 12:13 AM            

Hi V2T!!!!! Oh I'm sorry, my yahoo mail is such a pain, I didn't email you back! The stupid thing always glitches.

Right...LOLOLOL about the skinny girls

Nope, no comment from me...

posted August 23, 2015 12:34 AM            

I love what you wrote and don't even want to comment, just savor. But saying I'm savoring feels non-convincing and lazy so here goes.

Maybe I'm just cranky but I feel like 3H Libra Pluto (which I also have) is just asking for too much. Like you have your Libra scales and you put heavy Pluto on the one side and tiny Mercury surrounded by Gemini Air on the other side, and you still have to make it level out.

Oh but there is a quote I heard before, "One word of truth shall outweigh the whole world." - Solzhenitsyn

But...then it's still not level. :-/

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Another thing about Pluto-maybe kind of off topic, but I don't believe Pluto means to teach us anything about controlling the obsessions that are typically associated with Pluto aspects and contacts. The obsession and compulsion is like the fever that is brought on by an infection. We might be obsessive, but that's just a symptom of the actual affliction.

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What is the affliction (I ask, knowing full well you don't want to come back to answer, but stooping to semi-manipulative tactics, for the Common Good of all who really want to know your mind, and for the greedy good of myself, who wants to keep you around much longer for myriad reasons) ?

Is the affliction the juxtaposition of the cultural mind in a natural world?

Because Pluto themes are so hard-core natural...death, sex, psychic ability, curiosity itself. Yet this always stands against static cultural norms...which, at best, just pay an artificial nod to it...

But I do wonder if the simmering is Pluto's natural state, or how it behaves "in captivity" if you will.

Hmm!

"my Sun/Asc/Mars/Venus-Pluto aspects take me to the extreme, but in a direction opposite of how I hear Scorpios described."

In what way?

Another innocent question.

I forgive you if you don't come back...

Might just have to get Seimei to put out some more lures though...

Much love!

posted August 23, 2015 12:42 AM            

I was so busy at that time, if I recall correctly, or I would have kept bumping and insisting on attention. It's just a kinda slow subforum.