posted August 03, 2015 09:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Ah you're talking about v2T!

Hiiiiiiii if you're lurking out there!!

And thanks, Koho.

So you don't do twisted pain games...check. I am narrowing my focus to Venus-Pluto and afflictions then.

@bansheequeen

I guess it's a case of "who started it though???"

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posted August 04, 2015 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Hi Doux. You're great.

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Hi, Faith! You're awesome.

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Should you expect that their attentions are actually going to penetrate you to the point of pain?

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Can you elaborate on that, Faith?
How can 'attentions' penetrate you to the point of pain? *a little confused*

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Does Scorpio equate love with pain?

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Not necessarily, but I do think there's some truth to that (when unhealthy, maybe?) Though Venus/Saturn and Venus/Chiron (as well as Venus/Pluto) can often manifest that way, too. Perhaps even Venus/Neptune? Not sure about that one.

Basically, if you suffer for someone a lot, you love them a lot, but if you don't suffer (that much), then it's like you don't really care, you know? I dunno if it's a twisted view or not, but it does make sense to me.

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Do Scorpio jabs even feel so personal that they are like a form of affection, because they show such close attention to you?

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Haha, depends on the 'jab', and the tone especially.

I wouldn't call most Scorpio jabs a form of affection, actually when they (we) make cutting remarks - it's usually out of a sense of almost 'superiority', like they think you're *insert negative adjective here* for doing, saying, or thinking X, Y or Z.

Say, you're overweight and often say how you need to eat less or lose weight, etc. You and Scorpio are eating a meal together and you seem to eat quite a lot... The Scorpio can very well say something like, 'Are you going to keep on stuffing your face like that? Isn't that enough already? You're gonna roll around instead of walking if you continue'. Now, in this case, it's definitely not a form of 'affection', but literally a form of disrespect/disgust because you're being a fatty and can't control your Godzillian appetite while whining about being fat. (Darn it, doesn't that sound Saturnian as well?) You get the drift.

Now, of course Scorpios can give little 'cutting' remarks that aren't that negative or meant to be taken in a bad way... Well, maybe a tiny bit. "Ahh look at these generous love handles... *rubs the s.o.'s love handles*"

posted August 04, 2015 05:20 PM            

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Brutal honesty but equally brutal appreciation

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Right! That's what I was just going to say to Doux....in answer to her question...

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How can 'attentions' penetrate you to the point of pain? *a little confused*

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Not just talking about criticism about obvious things like overeating or dying one's hair but when I say "attention" I mean, being even more perceptive and more deeply seeing than that. Maybe it comes so naturally to them that they don't even realize they are speaking to fears and insecurities that the other person thought were hidden. (?) Well in my case, I'm just oblivious, so there's no excuse for me thinking my flaws are ever hidden...

But I thought others may have had this same experience of being de-masked by Scorpio/Pluto/ whatever while still holding their attention, ie "Just because you suck doesn't mean I'm not into you."

posted August 04, 2015 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Hi, Faith! You're awesome.

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Belatedly: Hi Doux! Thanks!

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Basically, if you suffer for someone a lot, you love them a lot, but if you don't suffer (that much), then it's like you don't really care, you know? I dunno if it's a twisted view or not, but it does make sense to me.

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I actually love this.

posted August 04, 2015 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Koho:
I do believe that's getting closer to the mark. Specifically the negative aspects. V2T has Venus-Pluto in her chart. Her opinion might be well worth getting.

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I'll see if I can summon her via email or just hope she sees this and pities me, stumbling around in the darkness as I am, and comes back to LL to teach me.

Love you V2T

posted August 04, 2015 07:25 PM            

Yes exactly, Vajra, the more personal things, I don't want to post! Hence some lingering confusion about what I mean exactly.

Your hair story was a good example, though, it gets close to what I mean. Thank you. And as one who lived under terrible hair karma for the first half of her life (did I used to scalp people as an Indian warrior, to deserve that hair?) I do totally understand.

*hug*

Your guy sounds great.

Oh and I also wanted to say that I know sometimes Scorpio criticism is JUST criticism and not a coy inverse bit of flattery at all. I mean, when my best friend's Scorpio boyfriend told me, "You look like crap in that outfit" he was dead serious and there was no silver lining, not the tiniest bit.

posted August 04, 2015 07:30 PM            

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The thing is, you can't really get close to another person if you desperately cling to all kinds of defensive shields, false appearances, or a certain image of yourself...and if someones craves intimacy (as typical Scorp/H8/Plutonian people often do), there is no way around that.

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posted August 04, 2015 09:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Yes, that's likely the case here, but hey, at least he did try to save you from embarrassing yourself in public!

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Yes...well we were teens then or early 20's, I forget. Looking back, he was SUCH a jerk, I'm somewhat amazed he didn't ridicule me more often. Maybe that's the "inverse compliment"...lack of verbal abuse. LOL

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Scorp loyalty is proverbial, and it extends to that sort of thing.

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My Scorpio brother is a bit like that and he's not a jerk but wow...yes....blunt sometimes. On the other hand he's the only member of my family who will talk to me for as long as I need to talk, about any personal issue I might have. I'm lucky to have him for a brother.

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Originally posted by Vajra:
"that color gives you the air of food poisoning."

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ROTFLMAO!

Sag/Virgo is a great combination.

My husband is also very blunt, what with Pluto in a stellium and tightly aspecting two other planets...but I'm open to it, maybe because his Pluto trines my Chiron. Still, his Pluto is not the same as pure Scorpio as I've known it.

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Originally posted by Vajra:
I was totally swooning afterwards! Yes, as he himself modestly states once in a while, he indeed "has his moments."

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Just lovely!

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Originally posted by Vajra:
Maybe we should reopen the hair salon in some other thread (tomorrow for me though as it's past 1 am here).

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Bad hair thread, as suggested.

Talk about the depths of despair!

posted August 18, 2015 03:28 PM              

I have a water Eighth house Sun and Moon conjunction, along with other like placements.
Only similar types can truly understand, but with that it is a blessing and a curse because it really is a mirror for better or for worse.
On that note - I have yet to have it reflected back from someone mature / evolved and in a positive way.

I start out 100%, and that's where the beginning of the end starts. What I mean by that is people try and take that 100% all the time without giving it back. This is where people think games and tests are being played. Really, at that point I'm just done or unsure, or have been seriously hurt and need my time to go back into my head.
Basically if I'm in, I'm All or Nothing. Anything in between is not serious.
If you can pinpoint the place of hurt or dishonesty that is a bonus!
Also, I'm not one to show it right away as I try to understand where people are coming from. But, once that innocence is gone, it's gone.

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I'm so honored that you made your first post on my thread! Thank you

You're the first Scorpio sun-moon that I've seen here (that I know of.)

After reading your post, I realize that maybe I've made some errors with Scorpio influenced people by not taking them seriously enough, thinking I was unworthy of that full-blown attention I got (because I have gotten it before.) Or maybe I just felt bad right from the start, that I don't have the same thing to offer in return. You know? There's nothing like a true blue Scorpio.

Even though I have an 8H moon, it doesn't function like an 8H or Scorpio Venus. I can feel deeply without it translating to a romantic, driving need that would compel me to put my heart on the line, take risks, go to extremes to win someone's love. I'm often content to feel what I feel and maybe never even let the other person know...it's more of a passive Scorpio position than Venus or the sun, is what I'm saying.

I think.

Just tossing around ideas.

posted August 19, 2015 11:49 AM            

So you trust your gut about either connecting or not, but you are looking to astrology for more information about how that connection will unfold, how long it may last, and so on?

posted August 19, 2015 12:57 PM              

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'Trying to control the uncontrollable is their life lesson'

Yes, indeed.

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THIS. Especially " feelings " - with such placements always are to a point uncontrollable and hard to master because life is literally lived through feeling every.second. * sigh *.

Faith - yes, that is the gist of it. Thanks for making it simple. Lol!
Also, in my books anyone who thinks of Vampires is not weird at all!

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~ Until next time

posted August 20, 2015 01:11 AM            

I'll check out the links bit by bit...

This one with iQ talking about LOSERS (capital letters his) mooching off of Pisces moons is cracking me up...

Not sure what to think of it.

But thanks for all the research...I wouldn't have seen these threads otherwise.

LOL at the Scorpio-vampire-shooting game.

True enough, though...everyone can be a vampire sometimes...

Wish I could sleep like your little cartoon! Insomnia again tonight...

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Also, in my books anyone who thinks of Vampires is not weird at all!

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posted August 20, 2015 02:10 AM            

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Great topic, right?

Sorry, my question is not meant to insult Scorpios, because I actually love and admire them. Like Doux. Hi Doux. You're great.

My question is...

When you are in love with a Scorpio, or 8H person, or Venus-Pluto type...you get my drift...

Should you expect that their attentions are actually going to penetrate you to the point of pain?

Does Scorpio equate love with pain? Do Scorpio jabs even feel so personal that they are like a form of affection, because they show such close attention to you?

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I think the ones who have experienced trauma and pain in their past are more likely to take the tactic of "you show me yours first" and then maybe, just maybe, they might show you theirs. And it might feel like someone is sticking you with a hot fire poker as they try to figure out what is really going on inside your head.

That being said, I think there's a fine line between the investigative nature that Scorpio is known for and being down right cruel. When you find that your feelings are tremendously hurt after an interaction, that you're being misled/lied to while they demand complete honesty from you, you don't feel any more connected than you did before (or you don't feel any connection at all), etc. I think it's less likely that they're behaving that way out of love. Not all attention is good attention - people can/will pay attention to you if they don't like you or if they're vengeful, for example. Of maybe they've caught a glimpse of what really lies beneath and they're not exactly fond of it, for whatever reason.

The jabs that I experienced came after I had shut a Scorp down two times in a row. I wasn't being mean, I just didn't feel like I knew him very well and I KNEW that he didn't know me well at all. My Venus in Virgo (which is ironically enough in my 8th house) is inclined to move slower than Pluto, even. (I'm literally that person that asks you after fifty years of marriage, three kids and a renewal of vows if you ever loved me at all or if it was just all for show.) Those jabs came in the form of teasing, cruel tricks, extensive lies, etc. so there was nothing really affectionate about it at all. I was definitely dealing with the effects of revenge for turning him down many times.

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My mind works in an effort to bypass it, and my own emotions. This is where an air moon would come in handy, but mine is squared my Pisces.

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posted August 20, 2015 02:44 AM            

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Air moons only bypass it temporarily, but it always comes back around to bite us in the behind. I admire the water, fire and earth moons. Anything but freaking Gemini Moon.

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