posted October 24, 2015 01:52 AM            

you said repress animal instinct ? i'd rather say EXALT the animal instinct with chiron in 8th so the repressing nature is a reaction-formation in freudian terms from the exalted animal instinct inside them.

posted October 24, 2015 09:47 AM            

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Originally posted by visions:
and btw where is part 1 ?

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If you want to see the Part 1, V. I will put it up.

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posted October 24, 2015 02:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I don't know anyone with a hard Mercury-Uranus aspect who seems to suffer because of it, or who seems legitimately crazy.

I think that since Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, it might function as a benefic whenever it aspects Mercury...it's like a Sag planet contacting Jupiter...it will always give a good buzz, even if they are square.

ETA: It can be a struggle at times, but I can't see how this is one of the worst natal aspects ever.

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This person loves to shock others with loud unconventional statements. But also because those statements changes them constantly and often contradict each other, people get confused and often times dismiss the person.

posted October 24, 2015 02:53 PM            

-Sun square Saturn - Pain and insecurity - feeling less than

-Moon square Saturn - Emotional pain and insecurity leads to not knowing how to let your emotions flow and heart guide you

-Venus square Saturn - Trouble with opposite sex - feeling like nobody likes you - trouble with finances too

-Saturn in the 5th ( I agree) - Never feeling like anybody wants to hang out with you - romantic experiences are scarce

-Ceres square Saturn - Mothering qualities are restricted - not feeling loved - the feminine aspect of yourself severely wounded

-Sun square Pluto - Leads to intense nature that manifests darkness

-Moon square Pluto - Felt very wounded by the mother -leads to somewhat crazy emotional reactions

-Sun in the 12th - Didn't feel the father was there and leads to not being able to have a healthy ego

-Lucifer square Sun - This leads to being able to commit dark acts.

posted October 24, 2015 03:01 PM            

6.Dejanira (157)conjunct the Moon. Dejanira is the victim asteroid. The Moon is one’s deepest heart.This is the SINGLE hardest aspect to have in the entire chart. I wrote about this in my other article. I include it because I think the person has little chance of emotional stability with this conjunction, if it is close. Of course, God can overcome any chart aspect.

I have Deprez conjunct my AC/Pluto 1-2 degree
Ive never struggled to much with depression, struggled more to find out how to heal pain that would cause depression if i didnt heal it.

posted October 24, 2015 03:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
i actually know someone with this aspect. And it's made worse because Mercury is also the chart ruler.

This person loves to shock others with loud unconventional statements. But also because those statements changes them constantly and often contradict each other, people get confused and often times dismiss the person.

In any case, since mercury can also affect out emotions, I think this placement might make one bi-polar.

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'Met a lot of hard aspect Mercury-Uranus people here...none bipolar.

Mostly just fun.

Maybe I'm biased.

ETA: For research purposes, here's an article: http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/uranmerc.html

It says Merucry-Uranus values:

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Freedom of Specch

Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and James Madison, the founding fathers of the United States most responsible for the advancement of freedom of speech, all possessed significant Uranus-Mercury aspects in the natal chart. Arguably the keenest perceiver of the workings of democracy, Alexis de Tocqueville, was born with Uranus sextile Mercury. Patrick Henry, the “Voice of the American Revolution,” was born with Uranus in opposition to Mercury. Freedom of speech, that inalienable right of humanity, is close and dear to the hearts of those born with Uranus in aspect to Mercury. Although we often take it for granted that we possess a certain liberty in reference to what we say and how we say it, this certainly wasn’t always the case, and the individuals of the Enlightenment era that courageously spoke their minds gave us the freedoms to speak our own particular version of truth.

Pursuit of Truth
We live in a postmodern world, a world where there exists a plurality of truths, a number of versions of reality. However, to the Uranus-Mercury mind, there is a brand of “Truth” with a capital “T,”—a one and final truth. This truth is clear of deception, lies, deceit, and hypocrisy. This version of truth is very close to the ideal of truth articulated by Plato, that is, truth as an enduring and timeless form that constantly pulls humanity to greater understanding, wisdom, and clarity. As astrologer Sue Tompkins states about Uranus-Mercury individuals, “Their regard for ‘truth’ supercedes any other form of loyalty, even to themselves.”

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The court jester of the early 21st century political court, Jon Stewart, born with Uranus square Mercury, is a self-deprecating, likeable, extremely sharp, and insightful comedian. Stewart embodies the extraordinary potentials of the Uranus-Mercury comedian: impeccable, god-given comedic timing; biting sarcasm; shockingly irreverent wordplay; lightning-quick mental associations; and subversive analysis of his social context. Stewart and his gang of pranksters have developed an extraordinarily successful brand of comedy that has led to certainly the most cutting-edge and trailblazing show on television. The great irony that surrounds Stewart—and one of which he is completely conscious —is that his singular brand of “fake news” has more truth, honesty, and authenticity in its analysis of current events than any other show on television.

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Hmm I guess this deserves its own thread.

posted October 24, 2015 03:11 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I think these are the hardest aspects to have:

-Sun square Saturn
-Moon square Saturn
-Venus square Saturn
-Saturn in the 5th ( I agree)
-Ceres square Saturn
-Sun square Pluto
-Moon square Pluto
-Sun in the 12th
-Lucifer square Sun
-Mars square Saturn

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Can you do little descriptions after them, my Friend? That would be great!

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posted October 24, 2015 03:18 PM            

The Deprez asteroid was named after Brigitte Deprez, the wife of an astronomer named Josef Denoyelle, who was a colleague of the discoverer. She "always showed loving understanding when Josef had to go abroad."

The pronunciation sounds nothing like depression.

posted October 24, 2015 03:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I don't know anyone with a hard Mercury-Uranus aspect who seems to suffer because of it, or who seems legitimately crazy.

I think that since Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, it might function as a benefic whenever it aspects Mercury...it's like a Sag planet contacting Jupiter...it will always give a good buzz, even if they are square.

ETA: It can be a struggle at times, but I can't see how this is one of the worst natal aspects ever.

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I knew one with the tight opposition, and he was the way Belage described. I know another (former member of these boards), with the square, who is nothing like it. So I guess it depends on the person, like anything else.

I don't know if I have a "worst aspect ever" in my chart. Saturn square Mercury might be responsible for my Eeyore side. Uranus conjunct ascendant might be the reason my hair is uncontrollable. I could name transits that have sucked, but my chart is mostly fine.

posted October 24, 2015 03:36 PM            

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Saturn square Mercury might be responsible for my Eeyore side. Uranus conjunct ascendant might be the reason my hair is uncontrollable. I could name transits that have sucked, but my chart is mostly fine.

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I like your bluntness.

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posted October 25, 2015 01:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Seems like all the peeps here with Mercury square or opposing Uranus are very cool: bananaz, mercuranian, Odette...tell me if I'm missing anyone...then there's myself of course, and I'm arguably sane...nahyt11 (was that her name?) had the square and she told me stories of eating insect snacks in different flavors. She was awesome...

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Ha! Yessss. I think the rebellious uranus nature makes us want to be different just to be different. Insect snacks though...yikes :/ lol Wonder if her mercury was in cancer or taurus?

posted October 31, 2015 02:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Seems like all the peeps here with Mercury square or opposing Uranus are very cool: bananaz, mercuranian, Odette...tell me if I'm missing anyone...then there's myself of course, and I'm arguably sane...nahyt11 (was that her name?) had the square and she told me stories of eating insect snacks in different flavors. She was awesome...

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posted November 01, 2015 11:12 PM            

I have some nasty Sedna going on, it's sextile my moon, conjunct Mars, square Jupiter, trine Neptune, opposition Pluto, square Deprez and square Nessus. I am estranged from my dad and bro. So many nasty betrayals from those 2, apart from male acquaintances and "friends".

posted November 01, 2015 11:50 PM            

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Originally posted by neptunicity:
Ami, I have Kaali conjunct Sun and Aura, would you say that it's responsible for my unconscious psychokinesis? After all, Kaali is energy right? I also have Aura conjunct my Sun.

I have some nasty Sedna going on, it's sextile my moon, conjunct Mars, square Jupiter, trine Neptune, opposition Pluto, square Deprez and square Nessus. I am estranged from my dad and bro. So many nasty betrayals from those 2, apart from male acquaintances and "friends".

Would you say that positive aspects like Sun trine Deprez would mean an ability to bounce back from depression? I also have it square my Mars, Pluto and opposite ascendant, never mind the minor aspects.

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GREAT questions, N!

Yes, when you have a trine with one of the 'bad asteroids", you will be able to use it and make it's energy flow well"

It could still hurt, though. I think a 'bad asteroid" is a "bad asteroid" but the energy can be used for good advantage.

I have a Grand trine of Venus, the ASC and Chiron. I use my Chiron to heal others. I wish I didn't have it.

I would give it up and the ability to help others, if *I* could not have had the pain.

However, I do use it. In my articles, I talk a lot about my struggles.

People tell me that this helps them.

Whenever a person is real, you will help people.

I wonder this, though, with you.

Do you struggle with depression as a kind of chronic thing BUT find that you can use it in some positive way?

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posted November 01, 2015 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by neptunicity:
Ami, I have Kaali conjunct Sun and Aura, would you say that it's responsible for my unconscious psychokinesis? After all, Kaali is energy right? I also have Aura conjunct my Sun.

I have some nasty Sedna going on, it's sextile my moon, conjunct Mars, square Jupiter, trine Neptune, opposition Pluto, square Deprez and square Nessus. I am estranged from my dad and bro. So many nasty betrayals from those 2, apart from male acquaintances and "friends".

Would you say that positive aspects like Sun trine Deprez would mean an ability to bounce back from depression? I also have it square my Mars, Pluto and opposite ascendant, never mind the minor aspects.

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Yes, i could see psychic abilities coming from that cuz you are really close to your chi/body energy. Aura, there, would add to that.

I have found that people with this placement feel an energy drain a lot.

There energy seems to be too close to the surface and situations seem to drain them a lot.

Do you have this?

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posted November 02, 2015 12:37 AM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
~ Hi !

haven't come to contradict anything is this thread, but...
taking in count all the bad things that have been posted about poor chiron, dude might be like this already =>

Haha severe bullying indeed !

jk
Ok, bye

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posted November 02, 2015 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by lilithpluto:
I have Chiron in 8th house n Venus exact square Saturn

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What House is Saturn in, L?

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posted November 02, 2015 08:26 AM            

You want to help people (in any capacity really but I've seen this play out in healthcare professions mostly) and you're probably a fantastic provider, but...

You're too busy dealing with you're own health issues. It's not in anyway you're fault, because you truly are sick. It's just the burden you're meant to deal with in this life.

So even though you're a natural caregiver, at some point, there is a career change. I think, if there's other factors in the chart, there may be an opportunity to use those experiences for the better good (writing a book about chronic illness, for example). But there is a shift of some kind, simply because they cannot do the job that they did before.

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