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Ami Anne
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posted October 22, 2015 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
These are not in order. Since my last article on the same subject, I have learned more from doing more charts. Hence, I wanted to share my observations with you.

1. Chiron in the 8th House
This placement seems to stifle the basic instincts of the native. To put it simply, the person feels he has to be “better than” his animal nature. We, each, have an animal nature. Trying to repress it( the domain of the 8th House) makes for various and sundry physical, mental and emotional issues.

2. Chiron in the 5th House
The 5th House is the House of creativity. Creativity will take one a long way, when one has experienced childhood traumas. It is a way to play. The 5th House is the House of play. With Chiron here, the person feels too inhibited to let loose and play. Pain is part of emotional freedom, to him

3. Saturn in the 5th House
This placement is similar to the above. In this placement, the native has inhibition upon letting go, rather than deep pain.

4. Deprez(9795) conjunct a prominent, personal point in the chart. Deprez is depression. A prominent personal point would be the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars and the angle( Ascendant, IC, MC and Descendant)

5. Sedna(90377) conjunct a prominent, personal point in the chart. Sedna is extreme betrayal by men, starting with the father.

6.Dejanira (157)conjunct the Moon. Dejanira is the victim asteroid. The Moon is one’s deepest heart.This is the SINGLE hardest aspect to have in the entire chart. I wrote about this in my other article. I include it because I think the person has little chance of emotional stability with this conjunction, if it is close. Of course, God can overcome any chart aspect.

7. Dejanira conjunct any prominent, personal point in the chart. Dejanira plays out differently, depending on which part of the chart it impacts. However, victimhood, through no fault of one’s own, is, always, a hard struggle.

8. Saturn conjunct, square or oppose Venus. This aspect seems to make for a person who feels she has to be perfect in order to be loved.

9. Uranus conjunct, square or oppose Mercury. This aspect can make for madness or brilliance, or both.

10. Kaali(4227) conjunct the ASC or MC. This aspect makes for a person who may be an emotional sponge. She absorbs unwanted energies from the outside and may find herself exhausted and overwhelmed in normal social activities.

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posted October 22, 2015 03:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leonisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Dejanira conjuct Moon in Capricorn in 11th house (3 03 degrees orb). Is that close?

I read that it's about sexual abuse in childhood or BDP...but, Thank God, I didn't had/have that experience, is that really that bad to have in the natal?

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posted October 22, 2015 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes I'm not creative... I have Chiron in the 5th. Like what would be a sporadic idea for anyone would take me hours of thought... Haha no it's not that bad but you get my idea!! 😘

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posted October 22, 2015 04:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Leonisces:
I have Dejanira conjuct Moon in Capricorn in 11th house (3 03 degrees orb). Is that close?

I read that it's about sexual abuse in childhood or BDP...but, Thank God, I didn't had/have that experience, is that really that bad to have in the natal?


Not really close, my friend, perhaps ambient.

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posted October 22, 2015 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, DS.

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posted October 22, 2015 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for goddessinworld     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm I have Dejanira at 2 degrees conjunct cap AC at 4 degrees.

does it mean I come off as a victim?

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posted October 22, 2015 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by goddessinworld:
hmm I have Dejanira at 2 degrees conjunct cap AC at 4 degrees.

does it mean I come off as a victim?



I would say yes, if it is a 2 degree orb BUT that is somewhat wide for an asteroid, so it may be more ambient, but I would say yes, based on that aspect.

If you have other really powerful placements, such as a strong Pluto, you could mitigate it.

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posted October 22, 2015 05:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
These are not in order. Since my last article on the same subject, I have learned more from doing more charts. Hence, I wanted to share my observations with you.

1. Chiron in the 8th House
This placement seems to stifle the basic instincts of the native. To put it simply, the person feels he has to be “better than” his animal nature. We, each, have an animal nature. Trying to repress it( the domain of the 8th House) makes for various and sundry physical, mental and emotional issues.

2. Chiron in the 5th House
The 5th House is the House of creativity. Creativity will take one a long way, when one has experienced childhood traumas. It is a way to play. The 5th House is the House of play. With Chiron here, the person feels too inhibited to let loose and play. Pain is part of emotional freedom, to him

3. Saturn in the 5th House
This placement is similar to the above. In this placement, the native has inhibition upon letting go, rather than deep pain.

4. Deprez(9795) conjunct a prominent, personal point in the chart. Deprez is depression. A prominent personal point would be the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars and the angle( Ascendant, IC, MC and Descendant)

5. Sedna(90377) conjunct a prominent, personal point in the chart. Sedna is extreme betrayal by men, starting with the father.

6.Dejanira (157)conjunct the Moon. Dejanira is the victim asteroid. The Moon is one’s deepest heart.This is the SINGLE hardest aspect to have in the entire chart. I wrote about this in my other article. I include it because I think the person has little chance of emotional stability with this conjunction, if it is close. Of course, God can overcome any chart aspect.

7. Dejanira conjunct any prominent, personal point in the chart. Dejanira plays out differently, depending on which part of the chart it impacts. However, victimhood, through no fault of one’s own, is, always, a hard struggle.

8. Saturn conjunct, square or oppose Venus. This aspect seems to make for a person who feels she has to be perfect in order to be loved.

9. Uranus conjunct, square or oppose Mercury. This aspect can make for madness or brilliance, or both.

10. Kaali(4227) conjunct the ASC or MC. This aspect makes for a person who may be an emotional sponge. She absorbs unwanted energies from the outside and may find herself exhausted and overwhelmed in normal social activities.


What a bummer, I have two of these, just like in the last thread, haha!

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posted October 22, 2015 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
All important question -- What orbs/limits are you using for each of these. "Aspect" cannot be defined without that.

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posted October 22, 2015 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leonisces     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Not really close, my friend, perhaps ambient.


That's kind of relief. However it made me think more about myself, so I find this post helpful. Thank you Ami Anne <3

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posted October 22, 2015 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
All important question -- What orbs/limits are you using for each of these. "Aspect" cannot be defined without that.


Orbs--- 4-5 for planets

Asteroids--exact to 2-3( wide/ambient)

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posted October 22, 2015 05:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are welcome, Leon, and thank you!

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posted October 22, 2015 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know anyone with a hard Mercury-Uranus aspect who seems to suffer because of it, or who seems legitimately crazy.

I think that since Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, it might function as a benefic whenever it aspects Mercury...it's like a Sag planet contacting Jupiter...it will always give a good buzz, even if they are square.

ETA: It can be a struggle at times, but I can't see how this is one of the worst natal aspects ever.

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posted October 23, 2015 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Part One, if you guys are interested.

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posted October 23, 2015 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Dejan conjunct my NN exact. Both are at 6 degrees Aquarius in my 12th house.

I also have Depre at 20 degrees Virgo and my Sun is at 17 degrees - sounds like that would be more ambient, though?

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posted October 23, 2015 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
6 degrees is way too wide to matter

3 is ambient imo

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posted October 23, 2015 11:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They're not 6 degrees away....they're in the same exact location lol. Both at 6 degrees Aquarius.

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posted October 23, 2015 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron in 7th is no joke either!

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posted October 23, 2015 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yea, SV

I read it wrong. I would say that there would be a Theme of victimization to your life. You may be victimized, but hopefully, you can learn from this and use it for help for others. That is the best use of "bad" asteroids, my Friend.

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posted October 23, 2015 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
Chiron in 7th is no joke either!


Yes, this is a hard one, too.

Chiron is hard, anyplace.

I have it in the 4th.

For me, personally, I think the 5th and 8th are the hardest houses, just because creativity was such a way out of abuse for me and I understand the repression of the 8th house, due to Saturn in Scorpio.

The worst Chiron placement is conjunct the ASC, though, and a close conjunction.

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posted October 23, 2015 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yea, SV

I read it wrong. I would say that there would be a Theme of victimization to your life. You may be victimized, but hopefully, you can learn from this and use it for help for others. That is the best use of "bad" asteroids, my Friend.


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posted October 23, 2015 03:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geminiyoungster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Chiron in leo and Saturn in the fifth house too.. Its a struggle really.

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posted October 23, 2015 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
I have a Chiron in leo and Saturn in the fifth house too.. Its a struggle really.

yes, that sounds very hard, G!

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posted October 23, 2015 10:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mercuranian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
I don't know anyone with a hard Mercury-Uranus aspect who seems to suffer because of it, or who seems legitimately crazy.

I think that since Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, it might function as a benefic whenever it aspects Mercury...it's like a Sag planet contacting Jupiter...it will always give a good buzz, even if they are square.

ETA: It can be a struggle at times, but I can't see how this is one of the worst natal aspects ever.



having the opposition, - i agree with this statement

(i'm also not buying "Deprez" as depression)

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posted October 24, 2015 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bananaz     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
I don't know anyone with a hard Mercury-Uranus aspect who seems to suffer because of it, or who seems legitimately crazy.

I think that since Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, it might function as a benefic whenever it aspects Mercury...it's like a Sag planet contacting Jupiter...it will always give a good buzz, even if they are square.

ETA: It can be a struggle at times, but I can't see how this is one of the worst natal aspects ever.


Me neither. I have the square and I actually kind of like it. My mind is never at rest, which forced me to practice meditation to find focus. It's only been beneficial for me personally.

Now NUMBER 8 on the other hand has made my life hell. I still have not overcome this square, and sometimes I don't think I ever will.

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