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Topic: The Ten Hardest Aspects To Have in the Natal—–Part 2
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 22, 2015 01:57 PM
These are not in order. Since my last article on the same subject, I have learned more from doing more charts. Hence, I wanted to share my observations with you.1. Chiron in the 8th House This placement seems to stifle the basic instincts of the native. To put it simply, the person feels he has to be “better than” his animal nature. We, each, have an animal nature. Trying to repress it( the domain of the 8th House) makes for various and sundry physical, mental and emotional issues. 2. Chiron in the 5th House The 5th House is the House of creativity. Creativity will take one a long way, when one has experienced childhood traumas. It is a way to play. The 5th House is the House of play. With Chiron here, the person feels too inhibited to let loose and play. Pain is part of emotional freedom, to him 3. Saturn in the 5th House This placement is similar to the above. In this placement, the native has inhibition upon letting go, rather than deep pain. 4. Deprez(9795) conjunct a prominent, personal point in the chart. Deprez is depression. A prominent personal point would be the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars and the angle( Ascendant, IC, MC and Descendant) 5. Sedna(90377) conjunct a prominent, personal point in the chart. Sedna is extreme betrayal by men, starting with the father. 6.Dejanira (157)conjunct the Moon. Dejanira is the victim asteroid. The Moon is one’s deepest heart.This is the SINGLE hardest aspect to have in the entire chart. I wrote about this in my other article. I include it because I think the person has little chance of emotional stability with this conjunction, if it is close. Of course, God can overcome any chart aspect. 7. Dejanira conjunct any prominent, personal point in the chart. Dejanira plays out differently, depending on which part of the chart it impacts. However, victimhood, through no fault of one’s own, is, always, a hard struggle. 8. Saturn conjunct, square or oppose Venus. This aspect seems to make for a person who feels she has to be perfect in order to be loved. 9. Uranus conjunct, square or oppose Mercury. This aspect can make for madness or brilliance, or both. 10. Kaali(4227) conjunct the ASC or MC. This aspect makes for a person who may be an emotional sponge. She absorbs unwanted energies from the outside and may find herself exhausted and overwhelmed in normal social activities. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Leonisces Knowflake Posts: 109 From: this world Registered: Sep 2015
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posted October 22, 2015 03:18 PM
I have Dejanira conjuct Moon in Capricorn in 11th house (3 03 degrees orb). Is that close? I read that it's about sexual abuse in childhood or BDP...but, Thank God, I didn't had/have that experience, is that really that bad to have in the natal? IP: Logged |
Desiring Shadows Knowflake Posts: 2939 From: UNITED STATES, BABY Registered: Jan 2012
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posted October 22, 2015 03:59 PM
Sometimes I'm not creative... I have Chiron in the 5th. Like what would be a sporadic idea for anyone would take me hours of thought... Haha no it's not that bad but you get my idea!! 😘------------------ My charts:Western-tropicalSidereal-heliocentric the moon is in the 7th house... & Jupiter aligns with Mars... Then peace will guide the planets. And love will steer the stars!" IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 22, 2015 04:17 PM
quote: Originally posted by Leonisces: I have Dejanira conjuct Moon in Capricorn in 11th house (3 03 degrees orb). Is that close? I read that it's about sexual abuse in childhood or BDP...but, Thank God, I didn't had/have that experience, is that really that bad to have in the natal?
Not really close, my friend, perhaps ambient. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 22, 2015 04:37 PM
Thanks, DS. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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goddessinworld Knowflake Posts: 172 From: Uranus Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 22, 2015 04:55 PM
hmm I have Dejanira at 2 degrees conjunct cap AC at 4 degrees. does it mean I come off as a victim? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 22, 2015 05:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by goddessinworld: hmm I have Dejanira at 2 degrees conjunct cap AC at 4 degrees. does it mean I come off as a victim?
I would say yes, if it is a 2 degree orb BUT that is somewhat wide for an asteroid, so it may be more ambient, but I would say yes, based on that aspect.
If you have other really powerful placements, such as a strong Pluto, you could mitigate it.
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Geminiyoungster Knowflake Posts: 384 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted October 22, 2015 05:02 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: These are not in order. Since my last article on the same subject, I have learned more from doing more charts. Hence, I wanted to share my observations with you.1. Chiron in the 8th House This placement seems to stifle the basic instincts of the native. To put it simply, the person feels he has to be “better than” his animal nature. We, each, have an animal nature. Trying to repress it( the domain of the 8th House) makes for various and sundry physical, mental and emotional issues. 2. Chiron in the 5th House The 5th House is the House of creativity. Creativity will take one a long way, when one has experienced childhood traumas. It is a way to play. The 5th House is the House of play. With Chiron here, the person feels too inhibited to let loose and play. Pain is part of emotional freedom, to him 3. Saturn in the 5th House This placement is similar to the above. In this placement, the native has inhibition upon letting go, rather than deep pain. 4. Deprez(9795) conjunct a prominent, personal point in the chart. Deprez is depression. A prominent personal point would be the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars and the angle( Ascendant, IC, MC and Descendant) 5. Sedna(90377) conjunct a prominent, personal point in the chart. Sedna is extreme betrayal by men, starting with the father. 6.Dejanira (157)conjunct the Moon. Dejanira is the victim asteroid. The Moon is one’s deepest heart.This is the SINGLE hardest aspect to have in the entire chart. I wrote about this in my other article. I include it because I think the person has little chance of emotional stability with this conjunction, if it is close. Of course, God can overcome any chart aspect. 7. Dejanira conjunct any prominent, personal point in the chart. Dejanira plays out differently, depending on which part of the chart it impacts. However, victimhood, through no fault of one’s own, is, always, a hard struggle. 8. Saturn conjunct, square or oppose Venus. This aspect seems to make for a person who feels she has to be perfect in order to be loved. 9. Uranus conjunct, square or oppose Mercury. This aspect can make for madness or brilliance, or both. 10. Kaali(4227) conjunct the ASC or MC. This aspect makes for a person who may be an emotional sponge. She absorbs unwanted energies from the outside and may find herself exhausted and overwhelmed in normal social activities.
What a bummer, I have two of these, just like in the last thread, haha! IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 1122 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted October 22, 2015 05:13 PM
All important question -- What orbs/limits are you using for each of these. "Aspect" cannot be defined without that.------------------ The Declinations Guy - expert rectification Complete Rising Sign Descriptions IP: Logged |
Leonisces Knowflake Posts: 109 From: this world Registered: Sep 2015
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posted October 22, 2015 05:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Not really close, my friend, perhaps ambient.
That's kind of relief. However it made me think more about myself, so I find this post helpful. Thank you Ami Anne <3 IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 22, 2015 05:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by Kannon McAfee: All important question -- What orbs/limits are you using for each of these. "Aspect" cannot be defined without that.
Orbs--- 4-5 for planets Asteroids--exact to 2-3( wide/ambient) ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 22, 2015 05:29 PM
You are welcome, Leon, and thank you!------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 13816 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted October 22, 2015 09:18 PM
I don't know anyone with a hard Mercury-Uranus aspect who seems to suffer because of it, or who seems legitimately crazy.I think that since Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, it might function as a benefic whenever it aspects Mercury...it's like a Sag planet contacting Jupiter...it will always give a good buzz, even if they are square. ETA: It can be a struggle at times, but I can't see how this is one of the worst natal aspects ever. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 23, 2015 08:39 AM
I have a Part One, if you guys are interested.------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 241 From: Sittin' on Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted October 23, 2015 09:31 AM
I have Dejan conjunct my NN exact. Both are at 6 degrees Aquarius in my 12th house.I also have Depre at 20 degrees Virgo and my Sun is at 17 degrees - sounds like that would be more ambient, though? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 23, 2015 10:44 AM
6 degrees is way too wide to matter3 is ambient imo ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 241 From: Sittin' on Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted October 23, 2015 11:15 AM
They're not 6 degrees away....they're in the same exact location lol. Both at 6 degrees Aquarius.IP: Logged |
DopGang Knowflake Posts: 1214 From: <--------- over there. Registered: Jun 2015
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posted October 23, 2015 11:26 AM
Chiron in 7th is no joke either! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 23, 2015 11:40 AM
Yea, SVI read it wrong. I would say that there would be a Theme of victimization to your life. You may be victimized, but hopefully, you can learn from this and use it for help for others. That is the best use of "bad" asteroids, my Friend. ------------------ Want to Read Simple, Fun,Sexy Articles on Astrology? Check Me Out, DUDE. http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 23, 2015 11:45 AM
quote: Originally posted by DopGang: Chiron in 7th is no joke either!
Yes, this is a hard one, too.
Chiron is hard, anyplace. I have it in the 4th. For me, personally, I think the 5th and 8th are the hardest houses, just because creativity was such a way out of abuse for me and I understand the repression of the 8th house, due to Saturn in Scorpio. The worst Chiron placement is conjunct the ASC, though, and a close conjunction.
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StubbornVirgo Knowflake Posts: 241 From: Sittin' on Mercury Registered: Jul 2015
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posted October 23, 2015 01:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by Ami Anne: Yea, SVI read it wrong. I would say that there would be a Theme of victimization to your life. You may be victimized, but hopefully, you can learn from this and use it for help for others. That is the best use of "bad" asteroids, my Friend.
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Geminiyoungster Knowflake Posts: 384 From: Registered: Jun 2013
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posted October 23, 2015 03:47 PM
I have a Chiron in leo and Saturn in the fifth house too.. Its a struggle really.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 65042 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted October 23, 2015 03:56 PM
quote: Originally posted by Geminiyoungster: I have a Chiron in leo and Saturn in the fifth house too.. Its a struggle really.
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mercuranian Knowflake Posts: 1026 From: not here Registered: Apr 2009
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posted October 23, 2015 10:47 PM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: I don't know anyone with a hard Mercury-Uranus aspect who seems to suffer because of it, or who seems legitimately crazy.I think that since Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, it might function as a benefic whenever it aspects Mercury...it's like a Sag planet contacting Jupiter...it will always give a good buzz, even if they are square. ETA: It can be a struggle at times, but I can't see how this is one of the worst natal aspects ever.
having the opposition, - i agree with this statement
(i'm also not buying "Deprez" as depression) IP: Logged |
bananaz Knowflake Posts: 287 From: Orlando, FL USA Registered: Feb 2015
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posted October 24, 2015 01:31 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: I don't know anyone with a hard Mercury-Uranus aspect who seems to suffer because of it, or who seems legitimately crazy.I think that since Uranus is the higher octave of Mercury, it might function as a benefic whenever it aspects Mercury...it's like a Sag planet contacting Jupiter...it will always give a good buzz, even if they are square. ETA: It can be a struggle at times, but I can't see how this is one of the worst natal aspects ever.
Me neither. I have the square and I actually kind of like it. My mind is never at rest, which forced me to practice meditation to find focus. It's only been beneficial for me personally. Now NUMBER 8 on the other hand has made my life hell. I still have not overcome this square, and sometimes I don't think I ever will. IP: Logged | |