posted October 23, 2015 11:32 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

Venus in the 12th or pisces is about unconditional love and that is why it is the higher octave of VENUS, not bc it follows socially constructed ideals or laws, that is more a sag/jupiter/earth thing; jupiter is the esoteric ruler of earth after all.

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My Venus is 12h pisces. I have been *unknowingly* involved with a guy where I was the other woman. But this ended as soon as I discovered it.

posted October 23, 2015 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
*She* , but thanks for your point of view. While she has never cheated in her relationships, she does seem to move on very quickly.

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posted October 23, 2015 11:41 PM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
OMG my friend who is a GOLD DIGGER....really i was shocked when i had found out a couple months ago. me and my girlfriend are friends with her but not anymore she disappeared completely. i can't stand her to be honest she is a sick person inside and i feel sorry for her. she does nothing but lies and its so sad.

she is a venus in gemini and moon in sagittarius PLUS she is a mercury in gemini RETROGRADE, and has her north node in pisces in the 2nd house and her sun is her 5th ruler in taurus.

as you can she is super luxurious and doesn't know who she is.

She basically came from a poor family from Bosnia and slowly became middle class with her family BUT on the side she would date rich guys ONLY and her first girlfriend is a hairstylist and is super wealthy and comes from a rich family and lied and cheated on her and gave her so many chances until she broke up with my friend who is the hairstylist cause she didn't love her anymore at all she was so over her. the next day the hair stylist found out that she dumped her to get with this multi billionaire married guy that she is friends with through family.

basically my friend ruined this billionaire's marriage with kids just because she's money hungry. so yeah i kneeeeeew and had suspected she was a gold digger but was not sure completely but when i heard this i was so disappointed and ever since found her a sick mentally unstable insecure person completely.

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posted October 23, 2015 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
My Venus is 12h pisces. I have been *unknowingly* involved with a guy where I was the other woman. But this ended as soon as I discovered it.

But yeah...I can't even defend Pisces. Even though it's my placement and I'm extremely loyal, I have to agree with you. I've witnessed some that haven't been. So I wouldn't necessarily put it in the faithful boat. And there's a SMALL part of me that believes love wasn't necessarily meant to be exclusive, but that traditional society hasn't evolved enough to accept that yet. My Leo moon outweighs those kind of thoughts though. It makes me want to stake a claim for life

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posted October 23, 2015 11:45 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
I would think the restlessness will be there but once she settles it would be for good, like marriage she would take very seriously but until she is is not married would explore a lot.

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posted October 23, 2015 11:56 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
This thread should've been called Sag Venus vs Gemini Venus. Haha

I vote for Gemini Venus as the cheaters. Anyone who says otherwise has probably only met one or is one themselves and they probably have very special placements in their chart that keeps them from cheating. Because let's just be honest, they get bored easily. After watching charts of potential matches for my friends in the dating world, its always the Venus and Gem who is playing the field and cheating in relationships. Is that to say they are ALL cheaters? No, because there is an exception to every rule

Sag Venus would take 2nd place though. My husband has Sag Venus, and has been faithful for 8 years. He's also an exception and it shows in his chart. His venus is conjunct Saturn and in the 5th, which makes me believe Leo's loyalty has some hold over it.

I dont know if I believe that jupiter expands the venus because if that were true Venus in Pisces would get the same bad reputation (this is my placement) which to be fair, I've met a few who do end up cheating, so maybe it is the case. My venus squares saturn, which could be why I've always stayed loyal, I don't know. My moon is in Leo, which may counterbalance my venus.

I also think we should look at the moon when it comes to showing how faithful someone is. For example if they have venus in gemini with moon in Sagittarius, run for the hills! Lol

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I do agree with you too! lol.

My ex has gem venus, he struggled to commit to one person, although he wouldn't leave the relationship. One minute he loved me, one minute he loved other women, VERY changeable in love department and FLIGHTY. Can not help to flirt with other women or play with fire, very immature. Well, his moon is in gemini.

I've known a sag venus and she said, she can VERY easily move on from break up. But she can easily cheat too although she can absolutely love one person, never two or more like Gem venus can in one moment. Cap moon sometimes help her ground it but still it's a tricky one to handle.

My very short relationship was with pisces venus (I do have this placement too), and yes, he cheated from his gf with me. Thank God I found out very early and he felt bad after that. lol. He has Libra moon. I do have venus trine pluto, so I hate betrayal/cheating and won't even try to betray/cheat on other people. If there's the urge, I'll choose to leave.

posted October 24, 2015 12:02 AM            

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This doesn't surprise me at all. One of my best friends is a Gemini Sun with moon in Sagittarius, and although I love her dearly, she isn't her best when it comes to love relationships. Her moon is in the 11th house, and I consider her to be a more loyal as a friend than partner. She also has gold digger qualities. We've actually talked about the possibility of her becoming a higher level prostitute. This may sound crazy, but it would in essence be the perfect career for her. She loves sex, and can't stay faithful. As of right now, she manages an adult toy store. I don't think she's a BAD person obviously as we've been friends for years. She just gets bored easily. And I feel like she needs to be upfront about who she is so she doesn't end up hurting the men she dates.

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oh wow thats crazy yes i understand completely but at least your friend didn't hurt anyone like my friend did. and yes she is not a bad person it doesn't seem like it that is just who she is.

posted October 24, 2015 12:03 AM            

The only time I've ever cheated on a partner was when they cheated on me first, then all bets are off. The worse cheater I've ever been with was a Venus in Cap. He even tried to proposition my own mother.

posted October 24, 2015 12:05 AM            

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Originally posted by angel4845:
oh that sounds very nice was there long distance travel between you too? did it feel like a teacher relationship? was she into education or did you teach her that? i' m guessing because of the placements you had given me. But i' m guessing her identity expanded you in some way possibly vice versa. saturn pluto must've been hard (power struggles) if there was any?

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Before we were an item, we (a group of us) did move to another city together. And she gave me a ride to visit family in Texas (after I'd lost my earlier ride) when she jumped my bones...I figured it was just she was bored, but we became partners after that. It was a very rocky start, but then things were beautiful for years (but then she was also cheating).

All my relationships have had mutual teaching aspects, and she was no exception. Every relationship was unique. I guess I need that change. I don't have a script I want to follow, I want something that's not a script. I expect many can't understand what I'm talking about. I've never done a repeat, once I've went through one type of relationship, I'll find a different one next time, and finding a relationship that was like an old relationship doesn't appeal to me, probably because I want to learn something new.

posted October 24, 2015 10:02 AM            

Thank you for your all your insights.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
^ Faith; I don' typically cheat on a physical level...

I feel I have avoided it acting on it again bc although part of me desires very much to experience that intensity, a part of me just as strong doesn't want to be bothered with an affair or complicate my life or feel guilty about it or lie and hide things...

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I think that's how most of us are. Play with fire and you get burned. Who wants to feel burned?

Also it's just a given that the initial phase of a relationship is the most fun, and what we're intoxicated with at that phase usually turns out to be more projection, illusion, and fantasy than reality. And some loves die in captivity.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
But I do cheat emotionally and mentally.

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Gotta love an honest girl.

Well...this whole thing really perplexes me because I think everyone does (as Desiring Shadows was saying.) Even if you watch a movie and fall into the script, emotionally engage with the characters...depending on how it plays out...it could be cheating! You let your mind stray to imagining it was YOU Ryan Gosling was kissing in the Notebook, you cheater!

LOL

If only we could take a microscope to each other's emotional natures and get empirical data about virtue. Then we'd see who is who. And maybe we'd find a surprise like perhaps that the most loving people overall...are the best, most generous and selfless people overall, and not the worst?

Pisces and Neptune would finally be redeemed.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
As a female with venus and mars in leo in the 8th I can be jealous and expect fidelity but as a female with moon in the 3rd in pisces and Sun and mercury in the 9th with mercury ruling my 7th I can understand perfectly on an intellectual level why cheating happens and the problems with monogamy etc..

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Yup I am similar. Leo ASC is like "Look at me....not HER...*manually turns the guy's head*....look at MEEEE!!!!" and my Pisces moon is like, "Look wherever you want...whatever makes you happy. <3 "

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
So the result is a girl that can understand the biological reaction to infidelity and the human expectation of fidelity but understand as well intellectually the need for diversity, human's curious nature and human's ability to love more than one person romantically.

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^^ So beautiful.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Venus-Neptune understands that earth is just one dimension and that love goes beyond this dimension and is concerned with loving the other unconditionally across time and space and less with socially appropriate protocols that are relevant to this plane of existence.

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^^ And I love this.

posted October 24, 2015 05:05 PM            

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i'm wondering about you guys experience with venus in sag.. so far all i've met and got to know have been unfaithful

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Then you need to get better quality friends. My sister has this placement and she is the least likely person I know to ever be unfaithful.

You cannot pre-judge people or fairly assess them based on a single astrological placement. That is using astrology in a prejudicial fashion, furthering stereotypes, making it negative and useless.

posted October 24, 2015 11:06 PM            

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Originally posted by roseelima16:
Im a Venus in Sagittarius too and I don't cheat. I do need an intellectual connection and a permanent need of learning inside the relationship specially because I have Mars in Gemini...

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Thank you!

I have a number of friends with Venus in Sag/fire signs who do not fit a slanted 'all' unfaithful portrayal.

No single astrological placement makes a person unfaithful. Nor does astrology in general. Unfaithfulness as a quality of a person's character has far more to do with upbringing and personal choices than with astrology.

posted October 25, 2015 01:02 AM            

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Originally posted by madelineleo23:
This guy friend of mine is a sun in sag with mercury, venus and mars in sag. Secretly I have feelings for him and I think he does too but he is unfaithful. This is why I never pursue him. He has a girlfriend but he'll like my pictures on instagram and text me asking to hang out. I know what type of person he is but yet I am so drawn to him. I'm a sun in leo, moon in aquarius and sag rising. I'm a double fire sign which is why I'm probably attracted to him.

This goes for all venus in fire signs...they are unfaithful and they don't commit because they feel there is someone better on the horizon. Unless they find a partner who is willing to accept this they move on.

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A venus in sag who cheated wants to try again with me but he is extremely superficial in love. My venus in scorpio love was deel and true and after I expelled how hurt I was and he saw how it hurt me it was then he said it was the biggest mistake of his life. My leo mars ego was crushed because I knew I was better than the shallow, heavy makeup, surgically enhanced women [bimbos] he cheated with. There were at least 16. He insisted he loved me despite cheating on me and that now that he knew how much he hurt me he wouldnt think of giving a [hot girl] his number whereas he did before. Just super wishy washy and superficial like the women he cheated with.

posted November 11, 2015 03:02 AM            

That being said though I am a commit-a-phobe!! I will take my sweet time not defining, labeling or committing to one person. Am I usually ever seeing more than one person at a time? NO! haha I am too honest for that! It's more about knowing that the freedom is THERE if I so choose.

So yes slow to commit. But once I do, it's locked in and my whole perspective changes and I can barely look at another man because I'm just in "committed mode".

posted November 11, 2015 07:07 AM            

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Also- time out. Isn't Sagittarius the seeker of truth and the most honest sign? How would this sign be a cheater? Because they like to live their life more and travel? They can do that with a spouse. If anything it would be scorpio or Pisces especially the signs of secrets and things hidden..

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Scorpion and pisces are you kidding me??
Im a venus in pisces and when i wear my rose colored glasses for someone i only have eyes for them.The rest of the world is a blur.

posted November 11, 2015 07:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
...maybe something even more scandalous like Universal Love. Now that takes cheating to a whole new level...

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5th house Neptune in Sagittarius loves this.

Sometimes my chart houses seem like oceans for swimming and playing and part-time funning.

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My first husband is Sag Venus/Sun/Asc, Aqua Moon/Mars. I'm pretty sure he cheated. It would have killed me to know when I was a kid (early 20s).

posted November 11, 2015 07:34 AM            

I was editing that while you were quoting me.

I meant it as a little social critique on how zealous people can get about single-minded devotion, to the extent that they block themselves off emotionally from others. Not sure if that was clear.

Yup I like our 5H Sag Neptunes.

posted November 11, 2015 08:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

I mean, why cheat on me when you can just walk away and I will give you no trouble? I was always very "If you love them, let them go " and "If you don't love them, let them go," and "If you are lukewarm, let them go."

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posted November 11, 2015 08:14 AM            

I think Sagittarius energy is more likely to cheat than certain other signs, but the main thing is they are restless and hate to be bored. So if you like to travel and you can keep up with them and keep them interested, they probably won't ever think of it.

I have moon in Sagittarius and I've actually had recurring nightmares not about my partner cheating, but about ME cheating on him, as if it was out of my control! Of course it's not, but I guess I recognize that tendency somewhere in myself. Of course, he was a homebody and never wanted to do anything new or interesting. So towards the end of our relationship I had a wandering eye.

Nothing justifies cheating but you do have to take your partners needs into account. Sagittarius energy does not like to sit on the couch and watch TV every day, and they do not like to be limited by their partner.

posted November 11, 2015 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Morning!

I was editing that while you were quoting me.

I meant it as a little social critique on how zealous people can get about single-minded devotion, to the extent that they block themselves off emotionally from others. Not sure if that was clear.

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Very clear. That single mindedness robs us of the ability to see what has or can be gained. I'm not trying to minimize the pain of being deceived if that's what happens, but it really helps to take a step back and look at the whole person, and their life as an independent journey. If we could be more honest with each other about what we need and not have to worry about shunning (shunned, unshunned- lol), we'd have a much easier time "matching up" with what works for us.

I truly love my first husband. We can't make each other happy in a love relationship, but he is family and one of the most influential people in my life.

You may feel confused, but maybe that's how it feels to maintain a balanced perspective...