posted February 15, 2016 11:40 PM            

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I like the way you described the nature of Taureans here you are on point.

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posted February 16, 2016 01:07 AM            

@Faith: *clapping* Yep and I have a full 2nd house (which I said multiple time in this thread). I even let her know that my very own mother is a Taurus. So it's really odd that this thread even got as crazy as it did over this lol

@Taineberry: Wow that reminds me of the dilemma I face from having my Sun and Venus in the opposite sign of my Mars and Moon. Then those placements tend to square and oppose lots of my other placements as well. It makes romantic compatibility with someone else very tricky lol

@Dreaminess: Your welcome I noticed that when ppl ask questions they are usually asking from a perspective I may not have looked from before, and I like that I'm challenged to look at things from another angle. Often times in explaining things to others I am also explaining (or reiterating) things to myself as well.

@Sunnya: With that chart setup you definitely embody the energies of both signs. Which would pretty much make you (and Taineberry) among those with the sexiest appeal around

@hypatia232: You touched on some VERY important points here and your Mother's behavior actually reminds me of a Plutonian guy I knew. Definitely coming back to answer this in detail.

p.s., At this point I'm convinced ChildOfVenus simply refuses to (or genuinely can't) understand what is being explained. When I say that, I am sincerely not being rude or trying to insult her or anything. We have all attempted to clarify this, but I can see that you actually took the most care and consideration in helping her but it's not appreciated/understood (for one reason or another smh).

@Gabby: The love at first sight vs. lust at first sight is definitely an interesting encapsulation of the archetypal effects of each. However, saying Scorpio is lust at first sight would just reiterate that Scorpio has more sex-appeal than Taurus, while Taurus has more sensuality. Not sure if you read my OP but that was the whole basis. Who is more lovable is a completely different topic.

@EmGem: Perfect. Amazing and well-worded.

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I do feel though that when someone is able to really "see" you (like peeps with strong scorpio) it validates your existence and the sexual pull intensifies. They become magnetic because, collectively, that's all anyone ever desires - to be seen, heard, etc. and when someone can do that to you, you can't help but be drawn in because you will want more of that. Especially if you never had that as a bub.

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posted February 16, 2016 05:57 AM            

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I think you mentioned you had a Gemini Mars, how does that work for your Scorpio rising?

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Ok Dee, so first I'll go over the general effects of Mars in Gemini as the co-ruler of a Scorpio Asc. Then I'll touch on how my specific aspects/Mars condition dictates how my Mercurial Scorpio Asc is received by others.

I find that when Mars in Gemini partner's with Pluto to rule Ascendant in Scorpio it makes for a mischievous sexual aura. The intensity/depth that most Scorpio Ascendants have is still there, but the typical feeling of danger or "creepiness" is tinted with Gemini's curious and witty nature. Normally, Pluto makes me very stern, serious, reserved, and dark. This often repels ppl from even attempting to speak to me. Yet if you do happen to start talking to me and if my sexuality (something Mars rules) is something I let flow freely (which at that point I usually do) then Gemini begins to play. You may get the impression of a person that (despite being enigmatic and sort of quiet) may flash you a Cheshire cat smile and a wink before doing something dangerous. That's not to say I have any such intent. It's just Gemini (a fun loving almost goofy person) fusing with Scorpio (a mysterious somewhat dangerous person). My stare is penetrating but has an ever so subtle flickery glint that pays homage to the much brighter/electric eyes you may find on a Gemini Sun. With the tendency of this Asc to make one rather shy/reserved my eyes are my most efficient source of communication (esp. where sexuality is concerned). A vivid result of Gemini's need to communicate fused together with Scorpios love of eye penetration as a tool. I carry Pluto's heavy aura (and sexual intensity) with light and nimble Mercurial movements. People attracted to me have noted this as a major attraction factor. Much like you, who also has a Mercurial Mars (Virgo), intellect and a sense of strong thinking abilities will be inherently integrated into the sexual aura/appeal emitted. Others may find this Scorpio Rising type especially sexy when speaking or showing knowledge. The ability to stimulate the minds of others will simultaneous stimulate "other things" in ppl as well. This is b/c the very nature of having an intellectual Gemini Mars literally causes sexual energy to bind itself to anything intellectual that is expressed. Gemini Mars also gives my Scorpio Asc an unattainable quality, even if it's not necessarily true. A sex-appeal that makes one magnetic yet perceived as unreachable.

posted February 16, 2016 06:31 AM            

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Hm... LBC... I don't know why you are taking offenses.

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It's just in my personal opinions that I see receptive energy (moo,Venus, Mars) to display various range of a sign. Not saying the sun or ascendant do not show the archetypes but to me, it's flat. Take for example, Oman Aquarius sun; I do not think I embody aquaria energy, especially Uranian one as an Aqua moon. I'm applying the archetypal energy to tv various placements. I'm not saying that oh, most Aquarius are not genius but the desire to be an individual is stronger with the moon.

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I actually agree very much with the desires of a sign being stronger within the moon. However, I'm not talking about who feels more like a sign internally, I'm talking about who comes off more like a sign externally to others. I don't doubt that you specifically may find the Asc. to be flat when giving off the energy of the sign that it is in, but that is not the usual case. Signs on the Asc., Sun, or Mars are usually more readily noticeable to the outside world.

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The point being Taurus is an artistic sign that succeed through their innate talents.

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I'm not interested in discussing "depth" because it's a very subjective concept.

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Not saying that Scorpio or taurus are sexier. But for outer planet influenced signs, it takes a lot to see them being "ripe".

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posted February 16, 2016 07:19 AM            

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:@Sunnya: With that chart setup you definitely embody the energies of both signs. Which would pretty much make you (and Taineberry) among those with the sexiest appeal of around

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Oh wow. And it all squares my Leo stellium...help?

Thanks for your input once more

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posted February 16, 2016 11:01 AM            

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[b]@Taineberry: Wow that reminds me of the dilemma I face from having my Sun and Venus in the opposite sign of my Mars and Moon. Then those placements tend to square and oppose lots of my other placements as well. It makes romantic compatibility with someone else very tricky lol

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I know just what you mean! I got a "lovely" tight square featuring in the opposition too that I can happily do without.

posted February 16, 2016 09:48 PM            

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This guy is creeping me out the way he's looking at me!

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I feel you, especially since you are a guy. He probably feels to you like is raping you with his eyes hahahahaha.

posted February 17, 2016 02:25 AM            

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This guy is creeping me out the way he's looking at me!

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posted February 17, 2016 02:29 AM            

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But he is an excellent Taurus archetype. He seems warm and friendly but dangerous, he is looking at you like 'ooooh if I catch you! You better be ready bc you are in for quite the ride, I am going to devour you over and over again."

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Funny you should say that since that guy actually has Mars in Taurus lol. The first guy I was ever involved with had that placement and let's just say that the GIF (and everything you and DopGang said) fits VERY well lol

posted February 17, 2016 02:39 AM            

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Oh wow. And it all squares my Leo stellium...help?

Thanks for your input once more

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I know just what you mean! I got a "lovely" tight square featuring in the opposition too that I can happily do without.

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Yep life's tough when your chart is "unique" lol but we will be ok. I even believe that once ppl with difficult charts finally master their energy we have an extra dose of power

posted February 17, 2016 06:39 AM            

"I think Pluto is probably in the driving seat until you start to loose your patience then mars takes over "

As I was reading about your mother, I was both intrigued and confused. Intrigued b/c it was interesting and I knew a guy that was very much like her. He was afraid to talk about sex, avoided expressing anything violent, and says things like "don't opposite of live on me" to avoid saying the word "die" lol. Now here is where I was a little confused. This guy had no oppositions to Pluto. I on the other hand (as you know) have Mars opp. Pluto like your Mother, but I don't have any of those reservations. I do not like horror movies, but it is due to feeling they are pointless and promote negative spiritual/psychological energy. I love to talk about sex as a pivotal epoch of human communication/transformation. As a child I had an abnormal interest in roller-coasters and fair rides b/c the sort of feeling that welled in the pit of my stomach fascinated me. Same scenario with Alice in Wonderland and the fable of the Pied Piper. As a teen I would even keep a personal journal of erotica that I would write myself. Putonian things are at the very core of my being and (though it can be problematic at times), I generally love it. In assessing this I feel that with hard aspects to Pluto (whether opposition, square, or conj) the native feels Plutonion things VERY strongly and is thus forced to either embrace or reject it. I embrace it, but for some this may scare them. Your mother's extreme rejection of Pluto is most likely from her extreme awareness of Pluto. Such ppl may worry that if they ever allow themselves to really experience the Plutonian side of themselves it may become uncontrollable. I wouldn't pass this off as mere paranoia though. I think those ppl often know themselves better than anyone and probably have good reason to suspect that they may be overtaken by negative Plutonian traits/desires. Not always, but it's something to be considered. Even so, it would be better if they found a balance.

"I suppose that is were her mars opposite pluto has manifested the most via power struggles and 'abuse' in the workplace." Definitely. The power struggles of Mars opp Pluto range from the internal to the external. This is exactly why I haven't been in a traditional work setting for years, I can't deal with ppl trying to exert any kind of dominating power over me. I react very negatively to that whether internally or externally. I remember there was a conflict in which my hours and pay were being manipulated. At first I tried to resolve it with my boss amicably, but then my patience wore thin and I literally pushed her, nearly causing her to fall down an escalator. At another job, the manager raised her voice at me in front of clients, co-workers, everyone when she was the one who had forgotten to do a task. My Mars Rx made me deliberate a bit before taking action, but before leaving work that day I demanded an apology. She refused to do so. So since she refused to apologize to me I told her I equally refused to kiss her a$S like the rest of the idiots there. I told her that in fact, she could kiss my a$S and I walked out. Similar problems arise with co-workers who seem to test me for no reason whatsoever. At one job there was a person that decided they were going to try and be a bully. So one day I waited until she was all alone and casually called her over. I can't tell you what I told her but when the other co-workers got back I acted as if nothing had happened. She freaked out and for the next few days she started telling everyone she wasn't comfortable working in the same building as me, etc. When questioned I simply and calmly denied everything and remained at work as usual. Funny thing is I meant every word I said to her and she was right to no longer interact with me. As a Mars Rx person, I already tend to feel that I'm too passive at times, so power-struggle scenarios in the workplace (due to their repetitive nature) build an extreme feeling of violence and hate in me overtime and (one way or another) I will eventually react. So yes, I definitely see how my Mars/Pluto opposition creates this.

"Do you feel that oppositions to pluto specially with women can lead to them repressing their sex appeal do to **** shaming and double standards in gender roles??"

Hmmm...not in my personal experience with oppositions to Pluto. For example, when I first heard the term "s1ut-shaming" it made no sense to me. I looked at it like this. The term "s1ut" is literally (by definition) "a woman who has many casual sexual partners" or "a woman with low standards of cleanliness." Men can be s1uts as well. Now if, in fact, you do not sleep around with many ppl nor are you "uncleanly" then you are not a s1ut and so the term does not even apply. Provocative clothes and make-up alone cannot make someone a s1ut. Now if the person DOES sleep around with many ppl and DOES have low standards of cleanliness then she does in fact fit the definition of a s1ut. And if she is a s1ut how can you shame her? She has already shamed herself with her low standards, so that's impossible. She is harming her body with so many partners and since when is being unclean anything to promote? The whole basis of "s1ut-shaming" came from the idea that if men can do s1ut behavior and be accepted then so should women. Which is crazy b/c NOBODY (male or female) should be encouraged into a lifestyle that makes our men and women prone to STDs and negative emotional/psychological impact. It's like they're foolishly saying "men are living an awful unhealthy lifestyle so I should be able to do it too". I mean wouldn't that sort of be saying once again that the male way of doing things is better? Why do we always want to do what they do? It implies that anything they are more prone to doing (no matter how bad) is automatically empowering / better. Which is wrong.

posted February 17, 2016 09:41 AM            

That placement in my natal can be a real thorn in my side, and I wish I knew how to deal with it better. As it stands, I feel that I'm usually Pluto, as opposed to Venus.

A lot of people believe that squares are more difficult to deal with than oppositions, but I think I feel the oppositions in my chart more keenly for some reason. The squares are there, but they seem less noticeable, or maybe just more ingrained.

posted February 17, 2016 10:01 AM            

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I on the other hand (as you know) have Mars opp. Pluto like your Mother, but I don't have any of those reservations. I love to talk about sex as a pivotal epoch of human communication/transformation. As a child I had an abnormal interest in roller-coasters and fair rides b/c the sort of feeling that welled in the pit of my stomach fascinated me. Putonian things are at the very core of my being and (though it can be problematic at times), I generally love it. In assessing this I feel that with hard aspects to Pluto (whether opposition, square, or conj) the native feels Plutonion things VERY strongly and is thus forced to either embrace or reject it.

Hmmm...not in my personal experience with oppositions to Pluto. For example, when I first heard the term "s1ut-shaming" it made no sense to me. I looked at it like this. The term "s1ut" is literally (by definition) "a woman who has many casual sexual partners" or "a woman with low standards of cleanliness." Men can be s1uts as well. Now if, in fact, you do not sleep around with many ppl nor are you "uncleanly" then you are not a s1ut and so the term does not even apply. Provocative clothes and make-up alone cannot make someone a s1ut. Now if the person DOES sleep around with many ppl and DOES have low standards of cleanliness then she does in fact fit the definition of a s1ut. And if she is a s1ut how can you shame her? She has already shamed herself with her low standards, so that's impossible. She is harming her body with so many partners and since when is being unclean anything to promote? The whole basis of "s1ut-shaming" came from the idea that if men can do s1ut behavior and be accepted then so should women. Which is crazy b/c NOBODY (male or female) should be encouraged into a lifestyle that makes our men and women prone to STDs and negative emotional/psychological impact. It's like they're foolishly saying "men are living an awful unhealthy lifestyle so I should be able to do it too". I mean wouldn't that sort of be saying once again that the male way of doing things is better? Why do we always want to do what they do? It implies that anything they are more prone to doing (no matter how bad) is automatically empowering / better. Which is wrong.

We as women should be raising the bar and setting an example instead of being followers . Men get to sleep around and be thought of as acceptable b/c when they sleep around women still accept them. It's really that simple. If a woman sleeps around, a guy will say "ew she is a s1ut" but if a man sleeps around WE are the ones who take him without problem and then complain. The healthiest and best way to create equality would be for women to do the same thing to men that they do to us if we are promiscuous. Man-s1uts would be just as unacceptable as female s1uts if no woman ever wanted to get with him because of it. If a guy that has been promiscuous tries to get with me I turn him down and make sure he knows that his promiscuity is the reason why. I explain to him that in addition to other factors relating to promiscuity, I hate the idea of everybody knowing what I'm getting at home, because that's lame. From an astrological viewpoint, I sincerely believe this thinking is due to my Gemini Mars opp Pluto. My mind is very active (Mars) and intellectual (Gemini) in regard to Plutonian things (like sex). The two (meaning my Mars and Pluto) may feel in disagreement or have a misunderstanding of each other's energy. This is turn causes me to want to resolve it, to analyze it. My Mars (being retrograde) does that well and in doing so I end up with views or ideas that are vastly different or sort of oppose the popular view of things relating to men (mars) and sexuality (pluto).

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These thoughts could definitely be mine as well! I have natal Mars/Pluto conjunct in Libra, 9th house! But I haven't experienced any of these incidents that you mentioned in work or elsewhere, maybe because the conjunction is in Libra? I don't know.
Really nice description of the plutonian side, though!

posted February 17, 2016 10:02 AM            

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Hmm. LBC, do you have any insights into Pluto opposite Venus that you want to share?

That placement in my natal can be a real thorn in my side, and I wish I knew how to deal with it better. As it stands, I feel that I'm usually Pluto (as with my Sun/Moon opposition, I think that I tend to be more Virgo).

A lot of people believe that squares are more difficult to deal with than oppositions, but I think I feel the oppositions in my chart more keenly for some reason. The squares are there, but they seem less noticeable, or maybe just more ingrained.

Anyway, I would love to hear your take on Pluto/Venus.

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posted February 17, 2016 10:12 AM            

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So the Sun opposite Pluto in your natal makes you feel Plutonic?

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I don't have Sun opposite Pluto in natal. I do have Sun quincunx Pluto, and Sun in H8. My natal Pluto is trine Mercury and square Saturn, but only a minor aspect to my Sun, if a quincunx should be considered minor (I really don't know).

Yes, I do tend to feel more at home with Pluto energy. Venusian energy is not something I can even identify with, honestly. Just not a lot of that energy in my chart (I have Venus in Aries).

posted February 17, 2016 03:45 PM            

Personally for me to sltu shame someone you would have to be that type of guy that lives for picking up women trying to sleep with a different woman every weekend, the type of guy that lives for casual sex and loves one night stands basically bc it makes them feel manly and powerful or the type of girl that does the entire football team and moves around the entire social circle she is in or does everyone in her school type of cliche in need of constant male attention, dating a new boy every month. I would call both a **** but in both cases I would see there are deeper issues at hand.

I personally feel is ok to be picky ofcourse but also feel is ok to have multiple partners deviating from the average in your life time. According to the National Health Center for Health Statistics "adults aged 20 to 59, women have an average of four sex partners during their lifetime; men have an average of seven."

Based on those statistics all women I know are ***** except my mom and neither my husband, Mr. Aqua, nor Mr. Scorpio have slept with 7 or less women in their life. I feel that word belittles others who have taken a different path in how they explore their sexuality. I would rather call them 'insecure, horny, lonely, in pain, seeking answers.'

But I respect that you are picky and very careful with your body, more power to you. If I could undo a few nights I would. Its good to be picky definitely.

Its not just horror that my mom can't watch though it could be something like Law and Order or CSI, her viewing is limited to news and cartoons and some talk shows; very light entertainment. Like you though she sees it as psychically damaging I think she beliefs watching things like that can potentially turn you into a monster but I am just as much against murder today as I was 15 years ago.

At some point when my parents were young my dad stopped been able to go to the movies with her. She wasn't even able to finish watching disney cartoon movie 'UP' bc it was too sad and I thought she would love it. She was interested in psychology but went for pediatrics bc of her father's influence and financial concerns, father was a humble hard working guy who adopted her and she was his only child. She is very anxious and sensitive so yes watching stuff like that affects her negatively, I guess her pluto feels it too much but for me is a form of release (90% of the time I cry watching grey's anatomy, form of release, good cry) and also satisfies my need to dig deep into the psyche and understand human nature with all its complexities including our dark side. Perhaps pluto in hard aspect to mars makes her feel too close to this dark side so she fears it and keeps her freaking distance, I have the sextile so is not that serious for me I guess. Your explanation I feel hit the nail! She feels the pluto side too strongly, too close home so she rejects it

My mom's chart ruler is not mars-pluto, I suspect is mercury and she also has venus opposite pluto but her venus does not conjunct mars. Even though she was mistreated at the workplace she never dealt with it like you did although I wish she would have taking 50% of your guts and applied it to her situation. She fought in her own way more subtly but there was a lot of putting it in god's hands too and having faith he will at the right time make things right and put everyone in their place type of thinking which I felt this belief is what kept her there much longer than she needed to be but the real root of that was her fear of change and need for security which kept her putting up with the "abuse." Well she did well for herself regardless bc she is quite the fighter, very driven and super strong, she has a lot of success stories anyways. Its just that time of her life dragged on for years and although I keep my distance bc she irks me and I am very protective of her and was furious at those people for treating her that way specially considering how hard working she is, she and her boss were always the last two to leave, she often came home at 9PM.

She channeled her plutonic nature with her work and hopes and dreams which is a great way to channel it! but it also served as a type of avoidance and lead her to latch on to religion excessively to treat her anxiety.

Come to think of it her parents were both amazing parents and grandparents but both had anxiety, my grandpa had some OCD traits and grandma an eating disorder on and off she kept hidden. She observed all this anxiety early on in her environment. It would make sense she would have neptune conjunct the IC and cancer rising making moon her chart ruler, it would explain a lot. That would put mars in the 8th opposite pluto in the 2nd which fits she has such a hard time letting go off things worries a lot about finances excessively frugal, she has hoarding traits. I would say she has anxiety with some hoarding tendencies/traits but she does not have hoarding disorder thank god. This would mean her MC is ruled by Mars which fits bc she is very driven and have always admired that about her.

posted February 17, 2016 07:53 PM            

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You said that the only kinds of ppl you consider to be s1uts are those who pick up a different person every weekend, lives for casual sex/one night stands, would sleep with everyone in their social circle / the entire football team and uses sex as a negative form of ego-boosting. Well great! That's the only type of person who (according to the actual definition) would fit the term "s1ut" to begin with. If a person does not fit into that group, then they are not who I'm talking about and so shouldn't be considered in this. I actually was not aware of the statistical findings of the NHCHS, but they certainly couldn't have gotten those results using Americans . I personally am in my mid twenties and have only been intimate with 2 guys and have had sex with 0, but I am fully aware that that's not the norm here and don't hold others to that standard at all. If a 50 year-old has had sex with 10 ppl over their lifetime, that means a new partner every 5 years, which is clearly a FAR cry from every week (like the s1ut type). A lot can take place in 5 years and well, life happens. So I actually understand that.

So since we all know the difference between a "s1ut" and the average regular person, once an individual identifies themselves with the notion of being "s1ut-shamed" then they are literally owning the characteristics of a s1ut. Which at that point (as I mentioned before) it is impossible to shame the individual, b/c they have already shamed themselves by having a different partner every week, living for one night-stands, etc. How can you respect a person who has lost so much respect for themselves that they are willing to risk getting STDs at a disturbing frequency? A stripper (despite showing her goodies to whomever) may still be extremely picky about who she actual has sex with. If that's the case, she is not a s1ut in my book. Maybe she hasn't chosen the best path as a means to an end (that's a whole other topic), but in many ways she would still have an admirable amount of self-respect. A s1ut does not. Not unless they acknowledge that what they're doing is dangerous/wrong and change their ways instead of advocating such a lifestyle.

I mean, what good could come of promoting promiscuous sex in the name of "exploration"? The best and most fulfilling exploration can be achieved with a consistent lover. One who can grow with you as you both learn the intricacies of channeling internal love into a physical form. A communication between the body and all the non-physical things which resides inside of it. That's what society should be promoting as a healthy form of exploration. Not some weird term like "s1ut shaming" that glorifies the envy of un-evolved male behavior (since evolved men aren't promiscuous anyway). I know that often it seems like I'm just this disagreeable person that has tunnel vision and rubs everyone the wrong way; but I'm not. I am much more understanding than I may seem. I just figure it is better to rub others the wrong way by sharing knowledge I genuinely believe to be helpful, than to be agreeable and allow them to never see a different side. Hey, I mean I am a Sag you know

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I actually agree very much with the desires of a sign being stronger within the moon. However, I'm not talking about who feels more like a sign internally, I'm talking about who comes off more like a sign externally to others. I don't doubt that you specifically may find the Asc. to be flat when giving off the energy of the sign that it is in, but that is not the usual case. Signs on the Asc., Sun, or Mars are usually more readily noticeable to the outside world.

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[b] The point being Taurus is an artistic sign that succeed through their innate talents.

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I'm not interested in discussing "depth" because it's a very subjective concept.

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Not saying that Scorpio or taurus are sexier. But for outer planet influenced signs, it takes a lot to see them being "ripe".

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Maybe it is only in your head that I intentionally go against the grain for the sake of going against it. Did you pick it up by reading that I am an aquarius sun?

My first post in this thread, really, is about applying the taurus-scorpio axis in terms of houses and sun/venus/moon/mars placement. I wasn't disagreeing with you.

In fact, I suggested that Scorpio is Mars at night, hence it is sexy. Yet, I do think within scorpio energy, that the moon/venus/mars have rawer energy. Wouldn't that be an interesting point to discuss? I don't know, I want to hear what other people have to say. If you go on the "usual" case here, then you are veering off archetypes. And really, discussing the house each signs rule and the quadrants they are in are the fundamentals of each sign. I am not even sure why you think I veer off or even go against the grains.

My intention was having a deeper, more detailed discussion about each sign. Hence I suggested in my next post several celebs with personal planets in scorpio (it's hardly an exhaustive list, of course).

Just because Scorpio rules over by sex and taboo does not means it is sexy. It can manifest as sexy but the archetype of scorpio is hardly about sexual appeal itself and most scorpios would snort at the ideas that someone think being sexy is all there is to a scorp.

Scorpio, in terms of its own archetype, is depth and transformation, is attempting at facing one's own demons, digging beyond what is easily accessible. Scorpio is alluring, is being wounded and healing wounds.

And I don't think a plutonic individual is sexy per se as much as he/she is capable of creating an intimate bond that would last beyond the superficial due dates of appearances, or nice abs and a pretty face.

I am in fact a Taurus rising with very deep appreciation for Scorpio, the sign, the archetypes, the time when they screw you over because they are too self-destructive to admit they are wrong. Being associated with a generational planet also means hard earned karmic lessons. On the other hand, venus only takes 3-6 weeks to change signs.

the fact that you chose to respond to me after these many pages show that you cannot counter my argument on why taureans captivate the public in the arts. In fact so many artists are leo rising and have their 10th house in Taurus. In the public eyes, they manifest abundance and stability and luxury; and that's sexy. Sexiness implies pleasures and pleasures are what Taurus love and embody.

Digging deep into one's own psyche is painful, a process that is deep and can create unbreakable bonds. But is it sexy?

And honestly, do scorpios/plutonic people actually aim at being sexy in the first place?

posted February 17, 2016 08:49 PM            

So much for your condescending tone of who is too young or too old. Music, in both Plutonic or Venusian terms, is a wave of emotion and relatable. Music doesn't discriminate. Only you choose to put others in black or white.

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hypatia238:
[b]"I like that you have taken the approach of sltu shaming both genders at least you are fair, I have taken the approach of not sltu shaming either gender"

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You said that the only kinds of ppl you consider to be s1uts are those who pick up a different person every weekend, lives for casual sex/one night stands, would sleep with everyone in their social circle / the entire football team and uses sex as a negative form of ego-boosting. Well great! That's the only type of person who (according to the actual definition) would fit the term "s1ut" to begin with. If a person does not fit into that group, then they are not who I'm talking about and so shouldn't be considered in this. I actually was not aware of the statistical findings of the NHCHS, but they certainly couldn't have gotten those results using Americans . I personally am in my mid twenties and have only been intimate with 2 guys and have had sex with 0, but I am fully aware that that's not the norm here and don't hold others to that standard at all. If a 50 year-old has had sex with 10 ppl over their lifetime, that means a new partner every 5 years, which is clearly a FAR cry from every week (like the s1ut type). A lot can take place in 5 years and well, life happens. So I actually understand that.

So since we all know the difference between a "s1ut" and the average regular person, once an individual identifies themselves with the notion of being "s1ut-shamed" then they are literally owning the characteristics of a s1ut. Which at that point (as I mentioned before) it is impossible to shame the individual, b/c they have already shamed themselves by having a different partner every week, living for one night-stands, etc. How can you respect a person who has lost so much respect for themselves that they are willing to risk getting STDs at a disturbing frequency? A stripper (despite showing her goodies to whomever) may still be extremely picky about who she actual has sex with. If that's the case, she is not a s1ut in my book. Maybe she hasn't chosen the best path as a means to an end (that's a whole other topic), but in many ways she would still have an admirable amount of self-respect. A s1ut does not. Not unless they acknowledge that what they're doing is dangerous/wrong and change their ways instead of advocating such a lifestyle.

I mean, what good could come of promoting promiscuous sex in the name of "exploration"? The best and most fulfilling exploration can be achieved with a consistent lover. One who can grow with you as you both learn the intricacies of channeling internal love into a physical form. A communication between the body and all the non-physical things which resides inside of it. That's what society should be promoting as a healthy form of exploration. Not some weird term like "s1ut shaming" that glorifies the envy of un-evolved male behavior (since evolved men aren't promiscuous anyway). I know that often it seems like I'm just this disagreeable person that has tunnel vision and rubs everyone the wrong way; but I'm not. I am much more understanding than I may seem. I just figure it is better to rub others the wrong way by sharing knowledge I genuinely believe to be helpful, than to be agreeable and allow them to never see a different side. Hey, I mean I am a Sag you know

p.s., going to answer the second part soon.[/B][/QUOTE]

I think you responded very well, understood what I said and I think we agree more than disagree on this anyway as at the root of it like you I feel sex is only worth it when is truly meaningful and touches your soul and that can only be reached with a select few who you have a relationship with or at least a genuine meaningful friendship with and if you want to wait till marriage power to you honestly. I by no means feel the more the better. I am more quality over quantity girl.

posted February 17, 2016 09:28 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

These thoughts could definitely be mine as well! I have natal Mars/Pluto conjunct in Libra, 9th house! But I haven't experienced any of these incidents that you mentioned in work or elsewhere, maybe because the conjunction is in Libra? I don't know.
Really nice description of the plutonian side, though!

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