posted February 17, 2016 09:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Hmm. LBC, do you have any insights into Pluto opposite Venus that you want to share?

That placement in my natal can be a real thorn in my side, and I wish I knew how to deal with it better. As it stands, I feel that I'm usually Pluto, as opposed to Venus.

A lot of people believe that squares are more difficult to deal with than oppositions, but I think I feel the oppositions in my chart more keenly for some reason. The squares are there, but they seem less noticeable, or maybe just more ingrained.

Anyway, I would love to hear your take on Pluto/Venus.

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posted February 17, 2016 10:14 PM            

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Originally posted by LittleBlackCat:
Thanks! And yes I definitely feel that the conjunction being in Libra helps. The work environment is a very social place and who is better at managing social situations than Libra . I imagine Pluto/Mars conj in Libra gives you great appeal as well as the ability to be assertive in a productive/efficient way.

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Hahaha, I hope so! As for the productive/efficient way, I don't really know, I try though. I am fairly new in astrology, so I have only now started to psychoanalyze myself through it! But my natal Mars/Pluto conjunction has already solved a lot of questions that I had for myself! And your post has helped, too!

posted February 17, 2016 10:19 PM            

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I think we agree more than disagree on this anyway

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
if you want to wait till marriage power to you honestly.

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posted February 17, 2016 10:37 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Hahaha, I hope so! As for the productive/efficient way, I don't really know, I try though. I am fairly new in astrology, so I have only now started to psychoanalyze myself through it! But my natal Mars/Pluto conjunction has already solved a lot of questions that I had for myself! And your post has helped, too!

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Mar1982delta, that is so awesome b/c I personally believe that's exactly what astrology is meant for. Understanding yourself/others and answering inner questions. I completely agree that your Mars/Pluto conj. is helping this in wonderful ways too

posted February 18, 2016 01:17 AM            

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I think waiting until marriage is great for those who do but I'm actually not waiting for marriage or anything like that . I just haven't met anyone that made me desire to actually have sex with them. Nobody ever reached me that deeply (and that takes A LOT as I'm very complex). I have felt extremely strongly for ppl before (trust me) but just not the combination of feelings that would actualize sex with them.

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Got you. Well sex is over rated, with the right person can be very special but is also overrated. You understand sexuality so well as evidenced by this thread but have not found that person you want to merge with like that. I am curious about your chart now. Could Saturn be delaying finding that person? Do you have a hard time trusting deeply and have not met someone who has earned that trust who is also intellectually stimulating enough for you?

posted February 18, 2016 05:57 AM            

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b/c they have already shamed themselves by having a different partner every week, living for one night-stands, etc. How can you respect a person who has lost so much respect for themselves that they are willing to risk getting STDs at a disturbing frequency? A stripper (despite showing her goodies to whomever) may still be extremely picky about who she actual has sex with. If that's the case, she is not a s1ut in my book. Maybe she hasn't chosen the best path as a means to an end (that's a whole other topic), but in many ways she would still have an admirable amount of self-respect. A s1ut does not. Not unless they acknowledge that what they're doing is dangerous/wrong and change their ways instead of advocating such a lifestyle.

I mean, what good could come of promoting promiscuous sex in the name of "exploration"? The best and most fulfilling exploration can be achieved with a consistent lover. One who can grow with you as you both learn the intricacies of channeling internal love into a physical form. A communication between the body and all the non-physical things which resides inside of it. That's what society should be promoting as a healthy form of exploration

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Wait - so you're trying to say what you think people should be doing with their own bodies?? I am not trying to come off as a know it all, but you really are naive.

I have had many sexual partners and #1 - we go get tested before engaging and #2 - we use appropriate protection. Who the hell do you think you are to think that enjoying sex is irresponsible?? Enjoying sex can be responsible with consenting, educated adults.

Just FYI I have been having sex for the last 22 years, no STDs, no abortions, no Plan B pill.

I suggest you drop your assumptions about people who like sex because you just made yourself look really ridiculous.

posted February 18, 2016 03:51 PM            

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Wait - so you're trying to say what you think people should be doing with their own bodies?? I am not trying to come off as a know it all, but you really are naive.

I have had many sexual partners and #1 - we go get tested before engaging and #2 - we use appropriate protection. Who the hell do you think you are to think that enjoying sex is irresponsible?? Enjoying sex can be responsible with consenting, educated adults.

Just FYI I have been having sex for the last 22 years, no STDs, no abortions, no Plan B pill.

I suggest you drop your assumptions about people who like sex because you just made yourself look really ridiculous.

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Hahahahahahah!!!! Omg WTH is wrong with you??? Are you stupid? How about dumb? Unintelligent? Ignorant? Dense? Foolish? Dull-witted? Slow? Simpleminded? Vacuous? Vapid? Idiotic? Imbecilic? Obtuse? Doltish?....Hmmm...I rather like doltish lol lol lol

First of all everything I wrote was talking about ppl not promoting the lifestyle of a S1UT. Go look up the definition of that. If a person has slept with more ppl than expected but does not fall into the definition of a s1ut then I'm not talking about those ppl. Now Geeky if you do in fact sleep with a different person every week, live for one night stands, smash the whole football team, screw everyone in your friend circle,and are just an all around promiscuous FOOL then yes I'm telling any and everyone that it is a disgusting way to live and I don't really give a d@mn who doesn't like it. If you don't like what I say then guess what? YOU DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO MY SENSIBLE ADVICE!!! I'm not here to teach you what your mother didn't. It's not my fault you never learned how to respect yourself. I speak the truth and if you don't want to follow it then don't. Silly creature. You think I care? Go be a wh0re, s1ut, freak, and whatever else you want to be b/c at the end of the day I'm VERY happy that I've been mentally/spiritually bestowed with the gift of knowing that being a S1UT is no way to be. I get it, sex is unimportant and not sacred to you. Congratulations! You are just like the other 597,238,054,256,347 ppl in the world and just look at how well that's working out for society. Oh and don't BS me honey, ppl like you who sleep with a different person every week surely DO NOT take each and every partner to the doctor to get tested. Why would you do that when that would only postpone all the wonderful sex you are so eager to enjoy? Please...just stop b/c maybe you can fool others but not me. I CLEARLY have no issues with ppl enjoying sex....IN A MANNER THAT HAS SOME SELF-RESPECT! So you know...just shut the he11 up.

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BTW, I have some stripper friends. They don't fit any stereotype you probably think they would. One is pre-med and the other is studying engineering. Both have bangin bods and put that to use so they can make more money after classes working part time than they could make doing something else full time that would interfere more with studies...so it's working for them JUST FINE (and they both have tons of self-esteem, body positivity, and neither would dare be so ugly to judge anyone).

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You are just really an idiot aren't you? That was rhetorical by the way. Unlike most ppl I'm not afraid of the word "judgmental" being thrown at me. You're d@mn right I judge whomever I d@mn well please. If a courthouse judge who is blood and flesh (human just like me) can judge others so can I. So just keep that in your head whenever you see ANYTHING I write on here. K? Good.

Now on to the matter at hand. WHEN did I say anything bad about strippers? WHERE???

I specifically said that a stripper is respectable if all she does is strip and not sleep around. However, it would be fake and silly to not mention that it still isn't the best path to take. I have relatives that strip and they still respect their bodies better than majority of ppl out there, but the lifestyle is tough. It is dangerous, you get stalked, there is a stigma, ppl try to take advantage of you at every opportunity and if you don't have a strong mind you WILL screw your life up. So NO I'm not about to sit here and make anyone think that it's all glamorous and a totally fine path. OK?Alright then. Go re-read what I said about strippers if you have to for you to see what my point was. You obviously can't comprehend to save your life. Please just do yourself a favor and don't attempt to argue with someone more intelligent than you. Just stop b/c you are embarrassing yourself.

posted February 18, 2016 04:59 PM            

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Yeah you are probably right. It just bothers me when ppl seem to deliberately dismiss everything I explain only to create something that had nothing to do with my point. -_-

Notice that I'm as sweet as pie 80% of the time, opting to be understanding and explanatory rather than mean even when it would be justified. Some mistake that for being able to get away with being rude to me. When in reality, it's just that my Rx Mars and Venus in the 1st (conjunct sun) does not like confrontation or being harsh....but annoy me enough and I can rip you apart and trash your entire life in a second. I won't care anymore.

But...

It's in no way a consistent part of my character. Nobody here can justifiably say I am a troublemaker with no intention of having good thoughtful conversations about astrology. I am amicable with mostly everyone on LL

posted February 18, 2016 11:36 PM            

Geeky is pansexual.

That is the thing with sexuality it means different things for different people and everyone's sexual journey will be unique, we are not all meant to experience sexuality in the same manner like you have so eloquently pointed out with Taurus versus Scorpio in this thread.

LBC can you just edit out the insults in your response to Geeky and keep everything else, mostly that first paragraph.

I do value your contribution to LL a lot and know you are perfectly more than capable of expressing your opinions eloquently without spitting out insults. I am only asking bc like DopGang I don't want you to get banned! It annoys you when people misunderstand your intentions or misunderstand what you are saying or like you perfectly put it yourself "It just bothers me when ppl seem to deliberately dismiss everything I explain only to create something that had nothing to do with my point," I get it but at least stay away from the insults.

posted February 19, 2016 07:17 PM            

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Hmm. LBC, do you have any insights into Pluto opposite Venus that you want to share?

That placement in my natal can be a real thorn in my side, and I wish I knew how to deal with it better. As it stands, I feel that I'm usually Pluto, as opposed to Venus.

A lot of people believe that squares are more difficult to deal with than oppositions, but I think I feel the oppositions in my chart more keenly for some reason. The squares are there, but they seem less noticeable, or maybe just more ingrained.

Anyway, I would love to hear your take on Pluto/Venus.

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When thinking of my oppositions to Pluto, while also considering what you just wrote, the role/nature of Pluto in these oppositions seem to be consistent. Oppositions to Pluto in the natal chart appear to make the individual view or experience the energy of the opposing Planet in a Plutonian manner. With Venus as the Planet opposing Pluto, you may experience Venusian things like love, standards/ideas of beauty, social situations, and your ability to be appreciated as a struggle. You may feel to be in a constant battle with these things. Let's look at an example of how this may play out.

Imagine you are in Pluto's world with it's power, ability to transform, and all which such things entail existing as perennial themes. Remember that power/transformation themselves are neither good nor bad really, it just depends on context/situation. Therefore there will be times when Venusian things will feel like powerful tools that you are great with. There will be moments when you can feel beauty radiate from yourself and others will find you almost magically enchanting. You will feel you have Plutonian power over Venusian things to either heal or destroy as you please (as either weapons or shields if you will). Others will be Venusian towards you and you will react in a way that's beneficial to others as well as yourself. However, there will likewise be times where Venusian things feel totally out of control. You won't know how to approach/feel about love, you may have fluctuating ideas about inner/outer beauty (within yourself and others), and social situations may feel full of power games. I believe this is the transformative energy of Pluto being felt. Venusian things may be used to transform you in what may often be painful/difficult ways. You may feel situations regarding Venusian things are powerful and stifling to you. Also, other ppl will often be the source of these Venusian dilemmas (since they're Venus here), possibly making you feel confused or frustrated about love, etc. Likewise, with you as Pluto here, others may see you as threatening and Plutonian in regards to these things.

So the opposition is creating an inconsistent experience of either good/bad as it relates to Venus. You feel pulled in opposite (opposing) directions. In turn making the only thing consistent is the feeling of a struggle, a constant battle of understanding. I believe this can all be mastered though. I don't believe any aspect/placement, position, etc is bad, just difficult. A diamond has to go through a lot before it becomes the sparkling beauty we know it to be. Though tough, I truly think that ppl with difficult aspects have the potential for great power. I am by no means an expert at anything, but I hope my analysis was helpful

posted February 19, 2016 08:11 PM            

hypatia238....Aren't you in the mental health field? If a patient came to you with that sort of thinking would you really tell them it's ok? You have to remember that while sexuality means different things to different ppl based on influence, etc. the sincerity of it in no way automatically makes it right. There are ppl that genuinely believe they have not explored the full essence of sexuality until they have sex with children, but that (for obvious reasons) is horrible.To make my point more clear, let's even use a non-sexual scenario with two consenting adults. Suppose two consenting adults wanted to engage in "cutting". One could say that they are aren't harming anyone but themselves and so they have the right to do so. However, if anyone really cared about the well-being of those ppl, they wouldn't promote that as a normal/healthy way to be. Sleeping around in the manner that Geeky endorses is no different. It is physically and psychologically dangerous.

posted February 19, 2016 08:26 PM            

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Mar1982delta, that is so awesome b/c I personally believe that's exactly what astrology is meant for. Understanding yourself/others and answering inner questions. I completely agree that your Mars/Pluto conj. is helping this in wonderful ways too

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posted February 19, 2016 09:29 PM            

I don't know Geeky but she is pansexual but she doesn't sleep around from my understanding, it seems to involve agreements and a select few if any. Like her boyfriend and her agree to let a third person also be part of the relationship like a poly-amorous arrangement of sorts but who knows the details of her intimate life, this is just a brief impression I got.

Pansexual definition: not limited in sexual choice with regard to biological sex, gender, or gender identity.

So the relationship is among consenting adults but gender or biological sex or gender identity does not matter. If her and her boyfriend who have been together for years have an unconventional arrangement of a poly-amorous arrangement and they are happy in their relationship all three I have no role as a therapist to change that. If they are unhappy and ask for my help then I work with them but to some extent I have to meet them were they are at and work from there and everything I say, do or suggest will be case by case but for sure I would not be promoting sleeping around.

However if client insists in sleeping around I would show I care by providing information about how to do this safely.

Yes I am anti censoring, you are right! I am. "In person when I am upset, I just sound like a very catty professor/teacher saying reprimanding things in a calm and poised yet firm tone. My moon is in Gemini. I was not nearly as upset as I may have come across " I see, got you.

Is just insults tend to escalate but I am starting to understand that you do it purposefully so the person stops wanting to talk to you so the subject which is starting to irritate you gets dropped.

posted February 19, 2016 11:28 PM            

"Is just insults tend to escalate but I am starting to understand that you do it purposefully so the person stops wanting to talk to you so the subject which is starting to irritate you gets dropped."...Yes sometimes that but mostly b/c I get tired of sugar coating if it doesn't seem to drive the point home. I figure if I just speak to them totally unfiltered then they have a better chance of understanding things. Oh and of course to make sure they know not to unjustifiably attempt to insult me (yea I know that sounds bad). I will take insults if deserving but if not I will make sure they don't do it again. If all else fails I just stop talking to the person all together.

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Got you. Well sex is over rated, with the right person can be very special but is also overrated. You understand sexuality so well as evidenced by this thread but have not found that person you want to merge with like that. I am curious about your chart now. Could Saturn be delaying finding that person? Do you have a hard time trusting deeply and have not met someone who has earned that trust who is also intellectually stimulating enough for you?

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TBH I believe it has become overrated by being underrated. What I mean by that is this; it's been pushed in our faces so much and hyped up (in a shallow manner). All of the important things about it (feelings, mental-connection, spirituality, etc.) have become underrated in the shadow of the surface things which have been magnified/amplified by society. So overrated by being underrated. The physical pleasure should never be the main focus, it's just a lucky bonus that may or may not be very present at times. I don't expect any fireworks or any of that stuff. If he isn't all that in bed but has enchanted me enough to sleep with him in the first place, then it's ok. We could always improve on that together, but I'm more interested in how they make me feel on the inside and our bond as human-beings. I'm like this. If a person I have 0 feelings for kisses my hand I will feel nothing. If the person I love does that exact same thing I become totally consumed with amorous feelings. So while that is not my main focus, I believe that as long as that deep bond/connection exists it should be fine/satisfying. I feel I haven't found anyone b/c I'm never actually looking. I prefer to just let things happen by chance as it pertains to that. Hmmm....Saturn may have something to do with it taking so long to "just happen" but if so I'm probably just being given time to mature mentally/emotionally. I do have a hard time trusting ppl (most Plutonian's do) and yes I definitely have a hard time finding intellectually/spiritually stimulating ppl.

posted February 19, 2016 11:34 PM            

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Thank you LittleBlackCat, I really hope so lol

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posted February 19, 2016 11:41 PM            

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"TBH I believe it has become overrated by being underrated. What I mean by that is this; it's been pushed in our faces so much and hyped up (in a shallow manner). All of the important things about it (feelings, mental-connection, spirituality, etc.) have become underrated in the shadow of the surface things which have been magnified/amplified by society. So overrated by being underrated. "

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I couldn't agree more. And I say this even though I reaally love sex!
I am starting to think that this mars/pluto aspect is a universal link between people lol

posted February 19, 2016 11:43 PM            

WITH A RECAAAAPPPP of course
(lol my Gemini Mars enjoys writing way too much). Names are purposely omitted (to avoid this can of worms opening all over again). Alright here we go.
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So another user made a thread about which things in her chart would give her sex-appeal. I answered a few times before saying that Scorpio, Taurus, and a few others would affect that the most (and in that order). She wanted to know why the order consisted of Scorpio coming before Taurus (Taurus was second). In explaining that to her I thought my analysis deserved it's own thread. Thus the birth of the thread you are in at this very moment.

So I start this thread with the OP being my original comment to the other user delving into the dynamics and intricacies of Taurus and Scorpio sex-appeal.
Lots of ppl gave amazing insights, wonderful additions and great questions.

BUT THEN...*DUN-DUN-DUNNN*...

...a few angry Aries moon ppl and their friends insisted that Aries had the strongest sex-appeal of all (no offense to all the other Aries moons out there lol). I attempted to explain the basis for my OP as much as I could but eventually lost patience and then
BAM!!!! Just like that everything went haywire.

So there is this crazy storm raining down quotes and thundering replies with gusts of emotions swirling about right, right

and all the while the girl from the other post about sex-appeal is popping up like the grim reaper or something demanding that I answer her question. No matter where I went in the thread or who I was speaking to she was following me like

and I'm all confused and stuff like, "uh...I'm pretty sure I already answered this person's question. Furthermore, who follows someone to a totally different thread anyway???"

continued below...

posted February 19, 2016 11:45 PM            

So she pretty much stalks the thread and (as if I'm not already weirded out enough) begins to insist I hate Taurus ppl and that this is a Taurus bashing thread. I'm all lost at this point like "wait what?! but I love Taurus". Next thing I know there is a big thing about how Scorpio may be sexy but Taurus is better in the long run and excels at everything else

So I'm kind of flipping out like, "WTHeck??? All I wanted to do was discuss the sex-appeal of each and how awesome it is. Did these ppl even read my OP??? Why is artistic ability and warm lovable traits akin to Snuggles the downy bear being brought up???"

In the midst of trying to figure this out, "s1ut-shaming", male/female equality, and pan-sexualism get thrown in the mix. Yes...in a post about Taurus/Scorpio swag (omg did I just say swag lol).

Now at this point I figure things couldn't possibly get any worse anyway, so.... why not. I start talking about this as it relates to astrology and well...

During all of this different perspectives get challenged, insults run wild, and before I know it I'm surrounded in the debris of a post-apocalyptic LL thread.

Which, my dear astro-folk, brings us to the remains of what we see before us now. It was a crazy ride indeed. A lot of ppl were helped, some insulted, and many baffled but it's all over now. There is nothing left for my ever curious and flighty Gemini Moon/Mars here. I send my most sincere regards to all who shall read through this thread in the future and wish them best of luck. Farewell friends. See you in my next thread

posted February 19, 2016 11:50 PM            

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I couldn't agree more. And I say this even though I reaally love sex!
I am starting to think that this mars/pluto aspect is a universal link between people lol

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Ok now I'm just convinced that you are one of the best people in the whole world!

posted February 20, 2016 12:57 AM            

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[b]@hypatia238: I agree that with a client making them feel ashamed or insulted does no good. I specifically feel this way b/c the fact that they have even attempted to seek help means they are deserving of respect and understanding. Provide information on how to sleep around safely? See but there are two major issues with that. The first being the fact that someone who is clearly controlled to a high degree by desire can't be trusted to take protective measures all the time. Their inability to control their desires is why they are in your office in the first place. The second issue is that even if there was a 100% foolproof way to avoid STDs, that still would not protect against psychological impact. Just something to consider.

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I mentioned earlier that I would never encourage sleeping around but if a client does not stop sleeping around I rather they do it as safely as possible as people don't typically change over night and therapy tends to be a process that can at times be even lengthy. A therapist cannot make someone change so the therapist always has to meet the client were they are at and work their way up from there and the client is always in the driving seat. If I want to move forward and they refuse to, I can't make them. I continue working on decreasing ambivalence towards positive change, that is what I can do. Its the same model used with drug addiction, the ultimate goal is for the person to quit completely using but the initial objectives is often to get them to cut back and be safer about their usage while they incorporate new coping skills in their life and other measures are taken, ofcourse if they quit cold turkey even better but that is often not realistic etc...

Therapists have to trust their clients that they will make the right choices that is part of the power of the therapeutic bond, the belief of the therapist in the client is something the client over time starts to internalize so believing that they can change can lead to them changing or at least increasing in frequency how often they practice safe sex for example in this case.

People own their body and they have to make the decision to change their life if that is what they truly want and the role of the therapist is to facilitate this process by providing client with the right tools and via the power of the therapeutic bond.

That been said I work mainly with kids, teenagers and some adults and I don't specialize in sex therapy at all. I dont take substance abuse cases personally. At the company I work for I pick the cases I want. I tend to enjoy working with teens the most. My main focus is family and individual therapy at this point. Cases like what we are talking about I don't work with at this point and probably never will.

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[b]@hypatia238:
TBH I believe it has become overrated by being underrated. What I mean by that is this; it's been pushed in our faces so much and hyped up (in a shallow manner). All of the important things about it (feelings, mental-connection, spirituality, etc.) have become underrated in the shadow of the surface things which have been magnified/amplified by society. So overrated by being underrated. The physical pleasure should never be the main focus, it's just a lucky bonus that may or may not be very present at times. I don't expect any fireworks or any of that stuff. If he isn't all that in bed but has enchanted me enough to sleep with him in the first place, then it's ok. We could always improve on that together, but I'm more interested in how they make me feel on the inside and our bond as human-beings. I'm like this. If a person I have 0 feelings for kisses my hand I will feel nothing. If the person I love does that exact same thing I become totally consumed with amorous feelings.
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I feel the same way and am the same way actually, I do have venus conjunct mars both sextiling pluto and trining neptune and my moon rules my 8th so maybe that is why. I also have sun semisextile pluto, moon biquintile pluto, mercury parallel pluto, saturn in scorpio conjunct pluto in libra, psyche in scorpio, Eros-Angel in the 8th, Transit pluto in my 1st since I was 18 till just recently that it has been going back and forth between 1H and 2H, progressed Sun conjunct Pluto on the 10th, progressed venus-mars in the 8th...

What I meant when I said that sex is over rated is that you can be happy without it that is what I meant.

However, it can be one of the most powerful, satisfying, mystical and out of this world experiences you can have with the right person at the right time in your life when you are ready to experience that kind of sacred sexuality and you will know bc your whole Soul & Body will long for it and then that person/soulmate who you can share that with who longs it too will cross your path but I don't feel that everyone craves for that kind of intense encounter and love and that everyone is fated to experience that kind of love or sacred sex in their current life, I feel that is the realm of pluto and also up to the person bc your soul has to be strong enough and brave enough to let something like that happen and transform you as you will never be the same, its a great risk which if once found then is lost can almost destroy you but the love itself will allow you to heal and rise above it. I met such soulmate when Transit Pluto was right on my AC which is now flirting back and forth between 1st and 2nd, currently in the 2nd.

But perhaps everyone craves sex like this, I just sense and see that some people do not long for that and are interested in experiencing sex in a more light pleasure oriented way which I don't think has to be bad either. Not everyone wants to merge their soul with another through the act of sex, I do and I got to experience that but I know there are people that don't even think like that or desire that and perhaps its society underating sex YES! that is a good theory or maybe their charts are not that plutonic to start with and more venusian, mercurial or with a more Taurus centered approach.

I know pluto-mars rules your chart traditionally but what are your neptune placements and aspects and what does neptune rule in your chart? Very curious.

The esoteric ruler of Pisces is actually Pluto and the esoteric ruler of Scorpio is Mars, just something fun to look into and check out or keep in the back of your mind in a file somewhere, I find esoteric rulers interesting.

Sweet Dreams