posted June 12, 2016 08:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
50 dead, 53 wounded

You know there is a lot of talk about banning guns altogether now, but I can't help thinking that if several people in that club were armed, it might have helped. More chance of fighting back.

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posted June 12, 2016 09:12 PM            

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posted June 12, 2016 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Yes he would have been stopped quickly and a lot less people would have died but notice how the media is focusing on gun control as usual and don't mention it was a Muslim killing a bunch of gay people at a gay club.

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Gun control wouldn't have stopped this, though. I wonder if anyone bothers to mention that? (I don't have TV reception & I'm not following the news broadcasts.)

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A neighbor told CNN Mateen worked as a security guard at the courthouse in Port St. Lucie, Florida. Mateen often worked at the front of the building, staffing the metal detectors, according to the neighbor.

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He had a security license and defended a branch of the government, if that information is correct.

That's never going to change. The people in power will always have guns.

In this case they gave an extra license to a twice-suspected possible terrorist and put him in front of a government building.

Banning guns from regular citizens altogether can't stop that level of blindness in the system.

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Not to mention gun control doesn't work, the more guns are controlled the more only the wrong people get their hands on guns bc criminals will find a way to get guns.

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posted June 12, 2016 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Mars conjunct his Sun, Neptune conjunct his Jupiter, Saturn return...

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posted June 12, 2016 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Thanks, Faith for the chart. His Uranus and Aquarius Mars were triggered.

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Yes, I missed that BOTH were triggered. Numbers:

24 Scorpio, his sun
20.54 Sag, his Uranus
23.43 Aqua, his Mars
20.00 Gemini, his Chiron
21.42 Gemini, transiting sun

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Originally posted by theunknown:
I wonder what's in it for Orlando chart this past weekend

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You mean like this?

posted June 12, 2016 09:48 PM            

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Transiting sun opposing his Uranus too.

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posted June 12, 2016 10:03 PM            

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posted June 12, 2016 10:08 PM            

This one....

posted June 12, 2016 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
That chart synastry is downright terrifying...that guy was/is losing it inside right now. Its amazing how ppl can do things like this and then you see during these times theres so much stress in their charts, they implode or explode as these aspects become tighter to exact. Im still floored everytime i see it.

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Yeah it's such a high pressure time... he has died now too... it's all just terribly sad..

posted June 12, 2016 10:40 PM            

And there is plenty of evidence that gun control helps; it is simply false to state it does not. I'm not for banning all guns, but military assault weapons that have no purpose other than killing people in war should not be in the hands of anyone (except the military and certain SWAT teams).

Gun control can't prevent all murders, but it certainly can make mass murder more difficult and reduce the number of deaths.

posted June 12, 2016 11:31 PM            

Not really wanting to debate anything, I sympathize with gun restriction even while suspecting it won't solve the problem...

I think what makes America dangerous is the high number of people taking psych drugs, the junk food, and basically the whole violence-loving culture. Not meaning to offend anyone...but the shootings are just a symptom of much larger problems.

Switzerland is heavily armed and they don't have mass shootings.*

http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/

* Oh I see they had one in 2001, in a Parliament building (maybe people weren't allowed to bring their guns in there?) and another shooting of four people in 2013.

Still, 22 gun deaths from mass shootings in 15 years is pretty low.

posted June 12, 2016 11:36 PM            

Imagine billions waking up on that morning to the full, conscious awareness that the Soul is Genderless and that they are Souls/Light Bodies inside a DNA Matrix. Who will bother about religion from that morning? The Establishment based on Religious Mind Control will have an epic fail, and the Souls of these Dark Controllers knows this is imminent. Hence more and more torment is attempted on the courageous amongst the marginalized, truly part of Pluto in Capricorn as a whole.

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posted June 12, 2016 11:36 PM            

So yes, gun might not be a problem but considering American culture, and especially the incredibly isolated culture where everyone retreats to their home and calls it individualism, it might help to not enable individuals with untreated psychopathy with access to tools of violence.

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The hatred of Right Wing elite of any religion against LGBTs is the fear of massive Spiritual Transformation that will start the second Pluto enters 0.0 Aquarius.

Imagine billions waking up on that morning to the full, conscious awareness that the Soul is Genderless and that they are Souls/Light Bodies inside a DNA Matrix. Who will bother about religion from that morning? The Establishment based on Religious Mind Control will have an epic fail, and the Souls of these Dark Controllers knows this is imminent. Hence more and more torment is attempted on the courageous amongst the marginalized, truly part of Pluto in Capricorn as a whole.

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posted June 13, 2016 01:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Delilah423:
While I understand the appeal of the "if more people had guns they could have stopped this" argument, it simply isn't supported by the evidence. The more guns that exist in a population, the more people die from gun violence whether accidental, suicides, or murders. Very few people have the expertise to defend against automatic weapons that shoot dozens of bullets in seconds. If a heavily armed citizenry helps, America would have the lowest number of mass shootings in the world. Instead, we have the highest.

And there is plenty of evidence that gun control helps; it is simply false to state it does not. I'm not for banning all guns, but military assault weapons that have no purpose other than killing people in war should not be in the hands of anyone (except the military and certain SWAT teams).

Gun control can't prevent all murders, but it certainly can make mass murder more difficult and reduce the number of deaths.

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Agreed! Anything that can reduce gun violence, even if it only prevents one death, should be looked at! Not to mention the fact that if we did have proper gun laws this guy not only wouldn't have been able to purchase an assault rifle but he wouldn't have been able to purchase weapons in the first place since he was on the terrorist watch list.

posted June 13, 2016 04:15 AM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
I live in Orlando guys! My good friend was there last night. He escaped but his friend didn't and now is in ICU.

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posted June 13, 2016 10:32 AM            

That being said, I feel terrible for all of the victims and their families in Orlando. They were all innocent and were expecting a night of fun, not death and destruction. Unfortunately, I think it's only a matter of time before this happens again on U.S. soil.

posted June 13, 2016 10:42 AM            

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You can have all of the gun laws you want, but only law-abiding people will obey these laws. Criminals are not going to say "oh! This is a gun free zone, so I better not bring my gun here. I have to find another way to kill these people." Criminals [b]don't obey laws. That's what makes them criminals. If a criminal wants to become a mass shooter, then they will find a way to do so.

That being said, I feel terrible for all of the victims and their families in Orlando. They were all innocent and were expecting a night of fun, not death and destruction. Unfortunately, I think it's only a matter of time before this happens again on U.S. soil.

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