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venus2tinkerbell
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posted June 16, 2016 03:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus2tinkerbell     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted June 16, 2016 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for soren     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well there is souls maybe so its not a complete loss

and its all going somewhere, humanity or america is going through what it has to, because obviously for some reason it happened, now im seeing gays being more accepted

not saying anything is good or bad, its all just cause and effect

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posted June 16, 2016 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:

It's not necessary.

My girl.

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posted June 16, 2016 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bananaz:
Good Question. One that I'd like to know the answer to as well, being that I live here.

This has been the worst year of my life, and then the events of the collective on top of it make it horrifying.


This year seems unbelievably bad for you!!

I feel like it will give your child depth and character, to experience your intense emotions through this year...but of course, another kind of year would have been preferred!

quote:
Originally posted by bananaz:
This section of the astro map is ruled by Neptune (based on my chart), and Neptune has been squaring Saturn all year, so maybe that has something to do with it. Idk. Bad year for me and my city in general though.

I'd like to know what's causing it astrologically.


I wish I understood those astro maps better. I've tried but they confused me.

Well speaking of Neptune/Saturn...this is the chart for Florida:
http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Florida

See how its sun is @ 13 Pisces on transiting Neptune? So Florida's sun is caught up in this Neptune/Saturn square. :-/ Florida also has Neptune square NN "natally," with transiting Scorpio Mars squaring that Neptune as well.

Florida's NN is in Scorpio, with Pluto @ 22 Aries, conjunct transiting Uranus.

The sun is transiting in Florida's first house, opposing its Mars. Florida has Mars and Jupiter in mutual reception, with Jupiter conjunct Uranus.

Chiron @ 15 Virgo conjunct transiting Jupiter/NN, trine or "hit by" transiting Pluto.

I think all of that is more telling than the chart for Orlando. But geez, who knew it could be this bad.

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I'm wondering if the Scorpio NN is manifesting as a release of repressed emotions, w Mars dancing from Scorpio to Sagittarius.... Very sad.... I'm grateful the little boy's body was found intact... Can't even begin to imagine what the parents are feeling.... Hopefully having their child found will support them in their grief. Heartfelt prayers to Orlando, all these violent tragedies must all be a very heavy toll to bear.

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posted June 17, 2016 01:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Yeah it's just too completely awful.

I don't know if astrocartography could show why so much is happening in Florida these days?

I don't understand it, astrologically.


Florida is a Sun in Pisces. It's caught up in the mutable grand cross.

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Faith!! Thanks for the State of Florida chart url. Did you see the degree of the Gemini Ascendant?? My SUN is CONJUNCT, H1 side of the line. The knickname for Florida is the Sun-Shine State??? ... Does it for ME! *grin*

For City of ORLANDO chart...
I've been playing with that one for several years.

I found an old newspaper clipping that was tucked inside the sleeve of a used book I picked at a Christian book store here in Orlando. (They moved, but it was on East Colonial next to the Fashion Square Mall~~~ for my fellow dear Orlandians here at LL.)
Astrologer Carolyn Casey (whom I trust) said years ago, her opinion that Orlando had a Libra Rising. .... So I adopted her data, and have been trying to tweak and tweak the rising degree.

I forgot her original Libra Ascendant degree? And I HAD (for myself) been using a rectification for roughly around 935am ... 4-degrees. (esp. as I watched during the CaseyAnthony trial ordeal.) ...

But when PULSE Shooting occurred, and it had SUCH an impactive chart, with all the points located at 0-degrees cardinal...., I decided to tweak Orlando's birth time from ~9:35 back to ~9:17am LMT. Still not exactitude, but sooo really really close (is what I feel).

City of Orlando
~9:17 a.m. LMT; UT 14:42:32(?) SID 6:00:08
Monday, 2 August 1875
in Orlando, FL (US), 81w23, 28n32

Asc/desc 0 Libra / 0 Aries
MC/ic 0 Cancer / 0 Capricorn

Orlando has a LEO 11th House signature energy!!
Vesta 5.33
Sun 9.50 Leo
Pallas 12.55
Uranus 15.13
Juno 15.49
Moon 23.31
Ceres 24.31 .... Leo

Chiron is 26.24r AriesH7 trine Moon-Ceres Leo H11

PULSE Nightclub Shooting
at 2:02 a.m.; UT 6:02, Sid 18:00:28
on Sunday, 12 June 2016
Orlando, FL (US), 81w23, 28n32

Asc/desc 0 Aries/ 0 Libra
MC/ic 0 Capricorn/ 0 Cancer


I'd even entertain maybe a 29 MC/IC degrees of mutable in both charts too? ... But since it affected 'the World' I plant 0 on all the points... (And that would be corroborated by transits during the Anthony fiasco too. ... I can't take the time to dig out my files right now, but it's soooo eerie watching everything that had happened around that window of time(months), happen again.

We had world-connections with the Race discrimination issues here too. It would be cool to look up the asteroids of those times,( but I'm ~tired, okay??, and feeling quite worn right now.) There were connections directly TO this area for the Boston Marathon bomber, and to hate crimes again muslims. ... THAT is another reason why I would favor the 0-degree points?

When the PULSE happened, I immediately thought of the asteroid-sort I personally use for the gay-community---- (NOT that you can judge a person's preference by those asteroids!!)-- this is for a mundane chart. (But certainly too, these asteroids connect brilliantly in my chart, WITH associated Arabic parts too.)

So anyways, there were EXACT conjunctions of those asteroids to transiting planets/luminaries too. (I can't take the time right now to delineate all. Like I said, I need to chill a bit for my body's reasons.) When I hooked up Orlando's chart to the asteroids, there were more confirmations for me...


Now, on the Spiritual realms of things here....

If you are into Karma?...
There is soooo MUCH correction going on here (based on distant past historical events), all at once. God is Good... wrong-doings I had read about in history -- (as I've watched here over the past 15 years) are slowly turning like the unlocking of hardcore gears that have been stuck... There's awakening, as she has been Prayed For so often. The corrections (in subtle energies, now coming into manifestions) have shown inklings of happening (at least from my viewpoint). .... It's sheer amazement to 'watch' all this from a crow's nest home advantage.

People here (and all over the globe) WANT more Brotherhood (nongender) and WISH to practice Good Citizenship and Safety for all Humanity. The corruptions and griefs of our pasts are surfaced, and people are standing up for what is Right. Through this, Evildoers are being exposed and placed in check.


Orlando, people living here in Orlando---

We have some GOLDEN Hearts, the LEO-Sun kind of Brilliant extraordinary HUGE-Hearted Individuals. There have been extensive Prayers here sent for decades... people who Intercede for her, who want Good to come forth. People who WANT with all their Heart Mind and Soul to SEE TRUE Brotherhood..... WE are SEEDS.

Many Good Hearts, and many many many tears and humble intercessory prayers, MAKE for Changes in the Atmospheric Heavens. God certainly would never Forsake a Humble Right-Standing Community, A City, A State, A Nation, A World~~~~ who PRAY and DESIRE PEACE and GOOD WILL towards ALL HUMAN BEINGS.

There may be a LOT of MORE hard work? But many Hands and Hearts can help Shift a World that CRIES for Peace On Earth, Good Will towards all.

For our Brilliantly Shining LEO Sun, Set as a City Beautiful and MORE Beautiful than Ever!

(music) When S/He Shines *~smile* LGBTQ et al faiths/philosophies/ races and colors. (Sheena Easton, 1981) [3:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYrZ8I4NrdI

*God, Bring Healing and Surcease of Pain for Every Grief and Every bit of Broken-Heartedness.... ALL OVER The World*

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The USA birth chart has some of the same classic indications of a person who should stay clear of firearms, indicating a nation that should keep them under control. Mars is parallel Sun, Venus, and Jupiter; and contra-parallel Pluto.

Just a note: any chart made for Florida's statehood is not a birth chart, but an adoption chart since its history long precedes its adoption into the union. Florida became an organized territory of the United States on March 30, 1822. That is when the merger of East Florida with West Florida (British colonies) took place under American identity with a new capital established in Tallahassee. So its birth as a distinct political entity dates back at least that far. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Florida#Florida_Territory_.281822.E2.80.931845.29

Noon positions:
Sun 9.4 Aries / 3N44
Moon 19 Cancer / 25N
Merc 12 Pisces / 8S
Venus 11 Pisces / 2S
Mars-Rx 20 Leo / 17N49
Jup 5 Taurus / 12N20
Sat 27 Aries / 8N20
Ura 7CAP18 / 23S32
Nep 5CAP54 / 22S14
Plu 29 Pisces / 15S05
N.Node 24 Aqua / 13S23

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posted June 17, 2016 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
Faith!! Thanks for the State of Florida chart url. Did you see the degree of the Gemini Ascendant?? My SUN is CONJUNCT, H1 side of the line. The knickname for Florida is the Sun-Shine State??? ... Does it for ME! *grin*

For City of ORLANDO chart...
I've been playing with that one for several years.

I found an old newspaper clipping that was tucked inside the sleeve of a used book I picked at a Christian book store here in Orlando. (They moved, but it was on East Colonial next to the Fashion Square Mall~~~ for my fellow dear Orlandians here at LL.)
Astrologer Carolyn Casey (whom I trust) said years ago, her opinion that Orlando had a Libra Rising. .... So I adopted her data, and have been trying to tweak and tweak the rising degree.

I forgot her original Libra Ascendant degree? And I HAD (for myself) been using a rectification for roughly around 935am ... 4-degrees. (esp. as I watched during the CaseyAnthony trial ordeal.) ...

But when PULSE Shooting occurred, and it had SUCH an impactive chart, with all the points located at 0-degrees cardinal...., I decided to tweak Orlando's birth time from ~9:35 back to ~9:17am LMT. Still not exactitude, but sooo really really close (is what I feel).

[b]City of Orlando
~9:17 a.m. LMT; UT 14:42:32(?) SID 6:00:08
Monday, 2 August 1875
in Orlando, FL (US), 81w23, 28n32

Asc/desc 0 Libra / 0 Aries
MC/ic 0 Cancer / 0 Capricorn

Orlando has a LEO 11th House signature energy!!
Vesta 5.33
Sun 9.50 Leo
Pallas 12.55
Uranus 15.13
Juno 15.49
Moon 23.31
Ceres 24.31 .... Leo

Chiron is 26.24r AriesH7 trine Moon-Ceres Leo H11

PULSE Nightclub Shooting
at 2:02 a.m.; UT 6:02, Sid 18:00:28
on Sunday, 12 June 2016
Orlando, FL (US), 81w23, 28n32

Asc/desc 0 Aries/ 0 Libra
MC/ic 0 Capricorn/ 0 Cancer


I'd even entertain maybe a 29 MC/IC degrees of mutable in both charts too? ... But since it affected 'the World' I plant 0 on all the points... (And that would be corroborated by transits during the Anthony fiasco too. ... I can't take the time to dig out my files right now, but it's soooo eerie watching everything that had happened around that window of time(months), happen again.

We had world-connections with the Race discrimination issues here too. It would be cool to look up the asteroids of those times,( but I'm ~tired, okay??, and feeling quite worn right now.) There were connections directly TO this area for the Boston Marathon bomber, and to hate crimes again muslims. ... THAT is another reason why I would favor the 0-degree points?

When the PULSE happened, I immediately thought of the asteroid-sort I personally use for the gay-community---- (NOT that you can judge a person's preference by those asteroids!!)-- this is for a mundane chart. (But certainly too, these asteroids connect brilliantly in my chart, WITH associated Arabic parts too.)

So anyways, there were EXACT conjunctions of those asteroids to transiting planets/luminaries too. (I can't take the time right now to delineate all. Like I said, I need to chill a bit for my body's reasons.) When I hooked up Orlando's chart to the asteroids, there were more confirmations for me...


Now, on the Spiritual realms of things here....

If you are into Karma?...
There is soooo MUCH correction going on here (based on distant past historical events), all at once. God is Good... wrong-doings I had read about in history -- (as I've watched here over the past 15 years) are slowly turning like the unlocking of hardcore gears that have been stuck... There's awakening, as she has been Prayed For so often. The corrections (in subtle energies, now coming into manifestions) have shown inklings of happening (at least from my viewpoint). .... It's sheer amazement to 'watch' all this from a crow's nest home advantage.

People here (and all over the globe) WANT more Brotherhood (nongender) and WISH to practice Good Citizenship and Safety for all Humanity. The corruptions and griefs of our pasts are surfaced, and people are standing up for what is Right. Through this, Evildoers are being exposed and placed in check.


Orlando, people living here in Orlando---

We have some GOLDEN Hearts, the LEO-Sun kind of Brilliant extraordinary HUGE-Hearted Individuals. There have been extensive Prayers here sent for decades... people who Intercede for her, who want Good to come forth. People who WANT with all their Heart Mind and Soul to SEE TRUE Brotherhood..... WE are SEEDS.

Many Good Hearts, and many many many tears and humble intercessory prayers, MAKE for Changes in the Atmospheric Heavens. God certainly would never Forsake a Humble Right-Standing Community, A City, A State, A Nation, A World~~~~ who PRAY and DESIRE PEACE and GOOD WILL towards ALL HUMAN BEINGS.

There may be a LOT of MORE hard work? But many Hands and Hearts can help Shift a World that CRIES for Peace On Earth, Good Will towards all.

For our Brilliantly Shining LEO Sun, Set as a City Beautiful and MORE Beautiful than Ever!

(music) When S/He Shines *~smile* LGBTQ et al faiths/philosophies/ races and colors. (Sheena Easton, 1981) [3:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYrZ8I4NrdI

*God, Bring Healing and Surcease of Pain for Every Grief and Every bit of Broken-Heartedness.... ALL OVER The World*[/B]


Collective karma must be very complicated, and can probably take centuries, or millenials.

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posted June 18, 2016 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
Collective karma must be very complicated, and can probably take centuries, or millenials.

I just hope that many centuries HAVE gone by, and that we are beginning to see the edges and have a sense that dawn will appear.

Feeling philosophical here....

It's darkest before the Light. And even when the Light hasn't appeared yet?, there is that sense of subtle anticipation because you 'know' that it is due.

My wacky imagination has a sense of this Bernstein-Sondheim song (from West-Side-Story) when the young man takes an 'imagination' break. Daydreaming whets his appetite for what can be. (url below)

Life can seem ugly flat and nothing but soot, without cultivating Possibility. Fresh and beginning-type of Possibility. FIND the Balance point between the two points... keep the two sides in peripheral view.

I can get as DEEPLY demoralized as any one of you... Been there, and sometimes am there. And when everything seems to do nothing but hurt, we need those that support us to come and remind that it's never over until you quit, lay down, and die.

Okay okay okay. Sometimes it can be therapeutic to temporarily-quit, and lay yourself down, and have an abundant cry over life's most unbelievable and terrible moments... But never ever ever forget at the end of that time period, to inject a tiny single gritty grain of Hope. Hope can wax and wane. But it's important to believe that there IS a way.

Life is a ***** and then you die.

But as soon as you can, remember to LIVE in-between those moments. Sip from it, ...always. Don't die. Wait on that... Wait till tomorrow, then tomorrow again, then still again keep watching and waiting. And maybe you'll get a sense that it's Today, too, eventually. And you'll feel better and better about inhabiting the 'now'....

Yesterday is past, Tomorrow will come--- Fill the space in-between. Support people who are flat-squashed between the two.

Dream.....

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posted June 18, 2016 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the article and your work, Kannon.

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I don't want to revisit this long after all the dead horses have been kicked over and over. But I woke up with Orlando and the Pulse club and all those there on my mind. So here's the blog for those who want to read it: Healing Orlado & the USA

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
The USA birth chart has some of the same classic indications of a person who should stay clear of firearms, indicating a nation that should keep them under control. [b]Mars is parallel Sun, Venus, and Jupiter; and contra-parallel Pluto.

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I know I wasn't going to say anything more, but now I have a burning question. Kannon, do you think that the United States is reaping its karma now because of Saturn retrograde? Also, I agree with you about the United States having more controlled weapons. When someone can buy a fire-arm and they are on the no fly list I feel there is a problem. The obvious provisions should be passed, and the NRA should keep its business out of politicians pockets

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Originally posted by sunflower-moon:
I mean, that just seems ridiculous to me. It's common sense laws and does nothing to those who are responsible gun owners. There is absolutely no reason for assault rifles to be on the market nor is there any reason to allow people on a no fly list access to legally acquiring weapons. Just seems like the opposition basically says anything/everything to not consider it so... Agree to disagree.

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A standard rifle and a so-called "assault rifle" have far more similarities than differences, and nearly all of the difference are cosmetic. A different stock which does nothing, a different barrel which does nothing different. They LOOK different but they operate the same.
People (media) bring up that they can fire 45 rounds per minute.
So can other semi-automatic rifles, or pistols, which is to say most guns.
Why? Because it's not dictated by the gun, it's dictated by how quickly the operator can pull the trigger. Most mass shootings that I've been reading up on didn't even involve high capacity magazines. Also either didn't involve an assault weapon, or included other guns that wouldn't fall under that political definition. They feed on your fears, empathies, ignorance of guns, and sell you lies for political gain.

I can't believe that people buy into all that the media feeds them.

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
I know I wasn't going to say anything more, but now I have a burning question. Kannon, do you think that the United States is reaping its karma now because of Saturn retrograde? Also, I agree with you about the United States having more controlled weapons. When someone can buy a fire-arm and they are on the no fly list I feel there is a problem. The obvious provisions should be passed, and the NRA should keep its business out of politicians pockets

This stuff goes in longer cycles than that. I think it is more related to Pluto as in the progression I mentioned above. Pluto transits as well.

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Just opened my Alan Oken Newsletter...

This url (probably until Sun goes to Leo) will have more information for people here.

He posts the 29-degree Mutable Chart of 2:00am, as well as the 0-degree Cardinal Chart of 2:02am for the Orlando Massacre.

He also posted the chart for the shooter, with his sense of the TOB.
http://alanoken.com/index.php?page=newsletter

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We are edging up on the USA's Pluto return in several years. This is the beginning of a new cycle of power for the nation and how it deals with matters of creation and destruction.

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The hatred of Right Wing elite of any religion against LGBTs is the fear of massive Spiritual Transformation that will start the second Pluto enters 0.0 Aquarius.

Imagine billions waking up on that morning to the full, conscious awareness that the Soul is Genderless and that they are Souls/Light Bodies inside a DNA Matrix. Who will bother about religion from that morning? The Establishment based on Religious Mind Control will have an epic fail, and the Souls of these Dark Controllers knows this is imminent. Hence more and more torment is attempted on the courageous amongst the marginalized, truly part of Pluto in Capricorn as a whole.



March 24, 2023. Maybe will people starting seeing souls instead of the shells that enclose them? Sigh...

Just wanted to share, a mural painted by local artists on the political "free wall" where I work. Depending events hopefull this ones stays up for a couple months. We have a huge LGBT community in my city as well as where I work. It's the homophobes that are shunned around here!

Please don't quote, will remove at some point.

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Deepseablues!!! You unregistered.

I really liked what you said in above post... Your photo touched my Heart sooo much.

I will personally print a copy of the artwork that you and your coworkers created, and take it to the Lake downtown. ...

I also have an appointment down the street from PULSE next Friday. Depending?, I may take your photo and press it into the chainlink fence, and stay a reverent moment to 'hold-space'...

Thank you for sending these Beautiful condolences.... I don't know where you are in the world?, but your Good Hearts Connected in a (surprising) tangible way to the material realms here in town.

Your Lights, Your Good Wishes, ~Matter

Thank you so much. (Sorry to see you go.)

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My happiness at no ISIL attcks on 26th June was short-lived as the dark used their favorite 11 number date to unleash another deadly attack, this time in Istanbul.

The last day of Mars Rx.

This menace of terror can end only with total emotional global unity. We do not need a One World Government but a "One Heart" Earth Population to weed away the monsters in human shell.

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posted June 29, 2016 04:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Trying to find the time of the Istanbul attack....

I'll post a chart when I do.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/29/world/europe/turkey-istanbul-airport-explosions.html?_r=0

Shortly before 10 pm

Deserves its own thread but it seems to be part of this cluster of tragedies...which we didn't know was going to be a cluster.

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