posted December 23, 2016 09:16 PM            

I know. I'm not turning this into a religious thing.

But, there is a link between religion and mythology, as the characters in myths are believed to be "gods" with special powers themselves. If stories about religious figures should be looked at in the context of the time they're set in, so should mythological tales.

posted December 23, 2016 09:20 PM            

more modern. we should be using "barack obama" instead of zeus. modernized. get a ben affleck in there. personally i would use taylor swift as a symbol of a queen.

posted December 23, 2016 09:24 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
personally i would use taylor swift as a symbol of a queen.

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You mean a Satan-worshipping queen who cloned herself? Talk about the Underworld.
http://thefw.com/90s-satanist-taylor-swift-lookalike/

Sorry, I had to do it.

posted December 23, 2016 09:31 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
If all the couple knows is a abusive pattern, such as in Penelope and Hades, it might not be as terrible as we think.

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posted December 23, 2016 09:34 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
now you are twisting it to OLD ways!! NO UNDERWORLD!

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Haha. Uh okay, then.

posted December 23, 2016 09:36 PM            

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Originally posted by cottonball:
Guys you're going off topic. Mind taking it to Lindaland Central? Thanks I appreciate it

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Oh, you became a moderator with only barely 100 posts? Tell me how you pulled that off.

I threw in one off-color joke. Hardly "going off topic." It happens all the time around here.

By the way, I think the other poster understood the myth. There were talking about how, in real life, the abuse can go both ways. If you're hanging on to this bone because you think it only speaks of abuse against women, then that's a narrow-minded way to see this topic.

posted December 23, 2016 09:45 PM            

You can really stop thanking for me for my "contribution". It's oddly and unnecessarily formal. I don't need your permission to offer my opinion or continue posting.

posted December 23, 2016 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
i think what cottonball is going for is a few robin william asteroids, a "hey ken" asteroid instead of hades.

more modern. we should be using "barack obama" instead of zeus. modernized. get a ben affleck in there. personally i would use taylor swift as a symbol of a queen.

SOMEONE GET THOSE NAMES ON THOSE METEORS SOON SO WE CAN USE THEM IN OUR CHARTS.

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posted December 23, 2016 09:56 PM            

Threads that are open for a long time can take on a life of their own. So just don't be surprised if it keeps going. Not necessarily by me but others.

posted December 23, 2016 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
that's the reason why people imagined hell. it's not because they wanted. it's because their suffering sinful minds could only look to the darkness, and see negativity, which is hell, which is what their lives were living in, negativity and hell. they suffer for the bad they did. it was their own thoughts.

guilt, anger, resentment, you can not not feel, only to become a psychopath, which is a pain in itself, you can never disconnect from the reality around you, the feelings, your place in the universe, it will always be understood on the deepest most profound way. everything you do is understood and you are only reflecting what the universe is reflecting to you. therefore there is no escape

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posted December 23, 2016 10:15 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Ummmm my marriage is plutonic, the ruler of our 8H conjuncts Sun and Mars and that all falls in our 8th house, I have good times and bad times with him, I wouldn't say I am unhappy though, I enjoy our time together and we spend all our time together and have a very strong bond, neither would ever leave the other, we communicate with each other regularly and spend quality time together daily, we do things for each other and stuck around and remained loyal during a real tough situation were must would crumble. It has not been an easy breezy relationship and our fights can be epic although we have improved a lot in that area for several years now but there is a lot of closeness and warthm, we are engaged with each other and clearly a unit.

My ex and I are also an example of a plutonic relationship and I was very happy with him although we had our fights and conflicts but we felt like a fairy tale that is why when I impulsively ended it thay it nearly destroyed me and felt like walking naked through fire. We had a very tight Pluto stellium involving sun, mars and valentine in the 1H and Pluto action in synastry.

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posted December 23, 2016 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I've often found this interesting when I see such positive interpretations of Pluto, considering the raping. Albeit, some do warn of possessiveness and stalking, but overall it is seen as a good thing to have Pluto aspects in synastry.

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Yeah, I can see a connection there. It's actually more of the media, though, with girls raised to place themselves into the position of the fair maiden who is typically menaced or threatened (and sometimes even abducted) that falls into the power of a beast who she then tames and turns into a prince. And as her own power is demonized outside of pleasing men (such as with her dainty beauty) then he becomes her power in the world. Raised with that enough times and they can start looking for that in real life despite how unrealistic it is.

Heh, one romance novel I skimmed out of curiosity had the heroine abducted by a pirate, though this was obviously a woman's fantasy rather than a man's so it wasn't realistic at all. In the end, the pirate captain who took her turns out to have been a rebellious, bored prince or other elite who returns to his life of privilege, taking the woman he abducted as a wife (once again the woman turns the beast into a prince). But of course Hades and Persephone also have that theme, it's just I haven't seen that specific one romanticized, unlike its parallels in modern media.

posted December 24, 2016 05:47 AM            

It's refreshing to see this legitimate attempt to integrate their symbolic meaning yet acknowledge these ancient mentalities are behind us.

At the essence of every myth lies the battle between good and evil. As we learn and evolve, such is the power of the myth to bring clarity about this legendary battle, including when we notice Ancient Greece (and I would say contemporary Greece, and the whole world too still not quite there yet) was a standard Patriarchy and we are now barely assisting to the crumble of the patriarchy model, globally.

When it comes to Pluto and Persephone, in contemporary context, like with many ancient heroes or heroines who are being abused in any way, I would see the abuse as part of the hero's ordeal and how they come out on the other side. Persephone is a very old Great Goddess figure, at the center of Eleusinian Mysteries which precede Hellenism and are connected to ancient, primitive agrarian mythology, she is primarily a deity of vegetation, crops, spring, plant cycles, essential to the life of humans. Her connection with the darkness (Pluto) is the plant's connection with the soil and its mysteries, and with the seasonal cycles of light and darkness.

On a psychological level, the myth of Pluto/Persephone lacks even a minimal romanticism, it's a triad myth (Persephone - Demeter- Hades) during which the two heroines, Persephone and her mother Demeter overcome personal ordeals, like many Greek heroes/heroines (abduction, rape, abuse, loss of child, estrangement of family) and their pain and sacrifice is a metaphor for the cold dark of winter, the abduction itself is winter, while their empowerment in overcoming their pain is the return of bountiful nature.
With keeping this in mind, as I said above, this whole process of reconsideration of ancient myths and acknowledgement of how we evolved from their mentality is quite refreshing.

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