posted December 24, 2016 08:07 AM            

This is 8th house stuff. Where power struggles, death and sex occur. And the myth of Persephone and Hades has all of these elements.

When Hades/Pluto takes Persephone to the underworld, it means that he killed her. She died to the person that she was. There was no going back. It took literally an act of God (act of Zeus) to enable her to go back to earth for 2 seasons a year. Plutonian relationships will always involve a loss of innocence and some kind of death and going back to life .

As for the contentious part where she "liked" it: 8th house is house of sex and orgasm and death. Orgasms takes us places where nothing else does. Orgasms show a part of us no one else see, unless of course you happen to be an exhibitionist porn star. There is a loss of control during orgasm that is akin to a little death and being transported to another world. Our rational mind has no power over this. It's all primal emotions.

Okay, back to Persephone. She is dead, she can't fix that, but she gets to be "Queen" of the underworld. Making lemonade out of lemons. Having royal titles and duties was very important to people back then, It meant no one was higher than you in this kingdom. Would she have been "Queen" of something had she stayed with her mother?

for the rest of us mere mortals, there is plenty of evidence that many people "like" some aspect of sadomasochism, where one partner inflicts pain and/or dominates the other. 50 Shades of Grey anyone? What does the mega success of this book tell us?
The sadomasochism doesn't have to be blatantly sexual. It can be purely emotional, as when we willing stay in emotionally abusive relationships because we "love" the person or we think the person loves us. Some people love the drama of Plutonian relationship, the intensity, the death process, the power struggles. For them it's cathartic, it's a way to release emotions they would not otherwise release.

posted December 24, 2016 08:28 AM            

Sorry, I don't care. I still love Labyrinth, and yes I do romanticize Persephone and Hades while completely ignoring the reasonably valid point the OP brings up.

Nope. I'm going to actually be Neptunian this time, and the 8th house Pisces that I am, and not try to make too much of these myths/films by comparing them to here and now.

Also, I've only read the first few posts (including the OP), but just thought I would offer my approach to it.

posted December 24, 2016 08:52 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I am curious what effect, if any, it would have to significantly change the myths. I think they're too embedded in the collective unconscious (or astral, if you prefer) that it would take a long, long (as in generations) time for it to take effect, assuming it did have an effect (and I think it's plausible that it could).

That said, trying to whitewash life is, I learned, a very bad thing that leaves people even more vulnerable to the ugly in life than by trying to make it go away by acting as if it doesn't exist. (And if Pluto is sentient, I'd think he'd enjoy the challenge of overcoming that.)

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posted December 24, 2016 09:15 AM            

I've never seen people romanticize the story of Persephone, really. People tout Eros or Aphrodite sleeping around.

In fact, Persephone herself is child of Zeus and Demeter (brother and sister), or in other tellings she is Demeter's younger form. Let's be real: this is a tale of incest, kidnapping, rape and spousal abuse. This is obviously not okay by modern standards, but these tales were not written in modern times.

posted December 25, 2016 01:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Hypathia,
what Transits did you have when you broke up with your ex? i think you mentioned once TR Pluto on your Nodes?

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posted December 25, 2016 01:47 AM            

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[b]Ummmm my marriage is plutonic, the ruler of our 8H conjuncts Sun and Mars and that all falls in our 8th house, I have good times and bad times with him, I wouldn't say I am unhappy though, I enjoy our time together and we spend all our time together and have a very strong bond, neither would ever leave the other, we communicate with each other regularly and spend quality time together daily, we do things for each other and stuck around and remained loyal during a real tough situation were must would crumble. It has not been an easy breezy relationship and our fights can be epic although we have improved a lot in that area for several years now but there is a lot of closeness and warthm, we are engaged with each other and clearly a unit.

My ex and I are also an example of a plutonic relationship and I was very happy with him although we had our fights and conflicts but we felt like a fairy tale that is why when I impulsively ended it thay it nearly destroyed me and felt like walking naked through fire. We had a very tight Pluto stellium involving sun, mars and valentine in the 1H and Pluto action in synastry.

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Well yeah I have had my share of hardships no doubt but still incomparable to what some people have endured and survived.

I do have Scorpio rising with pluto in Libra conjunct Saturn in Scorpio and semisextile exact my sun, biquintile my moon, parallel my mercury which rules my 8H, sextile my Venus and Mars, and sextile my Neptune so it aspects almost all my personal planets except Jupiter. Pluto is a singleton planet too for me by element.