posted December 22, 2016 11:19 PM            

Let me refresh your memory - this story involving an old dude who

Kidnaps
Rapes(and Marital Rape)
Brainwashes
Forces into Marriage

of his NIECE. Who happens to also be a child.

Why are we romanticizing this? It’s a horrible story. Like I know astrology fans have a morbid, unhealthy and masochistic view of romance, but this is too much. And even if she wasn’t his niece and a child, rape and kidnapping are kinda illegal if you’re not in the know.

Sorry to be a Debbie downer but this is really creepy and I’m tired of seeing it.

posted December 23, 2016 12:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
it ended up okay for her.

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Also in that environment she wouldn't healthily transition into a women. Her mental/emotional development and sexual maturation would be messed up. She would actually grow to be very subservient in a stockholm syndrome way towards Hades. He'd have full control over her, and she'd be very childlike. You see this in women in certain cultures who are married off as children, the abuse makes them very....submissive to their abuser. I'm not surprised this is twisted into a coming of age story considering it was made up thousands of years ago where marrying off children was okay....maybe not to their uncles though :/

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Originally posted by Selenite:
i have Persephone on my MC and Proseprina on my IC/Venus so i have my own ideas of what it should be apparently.

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posted December 23, 2016 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by cottonball:
It’s a story I see either romanticized or brought up when discussing synastry in a few books I’ve read and online...and it's creepy as hell.

Let me refresh your memory - this story involving an old dude who

Kidnaps
Rapes(and Marital Rape)
Brainwashes
Forces into Marriage

of his NIECE. Who happens to also be a child.

Why are we romanticizing this? It’s a horrible story. Like I know astrology fans have a morbid, unhealthy and masochistic view of romance, but this is too much. And even if she wasn’t his niece and a child, rape and kidnapping are kinda illegal if you’re not in the know.

Sorry to be a Debbie downer but this is really creepy and I’m tired of seeing it.

Oh and merry Christmas so sorry to post something so depressing so close to Christmas.

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posted December 23, 2016 12:43 AM            

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Originally posted by LexusVirgo:
a lot of Greek myths where the stars and the planets get their names have horrible stories attached to them.

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Originally posted by LexusVirgo:
Eros and psyche are the main myth couple I hear talked about on this website or in astrology ingeneral . goodday.

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posted December 23, 2016 01:42 AM            

I'm curious because I saw a thread similar to this (though not about astrology) on another board that was unexpected. And right on the heels of that one is this thread that's very similar in tone and on something related. One is strange but not surprising, but then 2 (and perhaps many more out there I don't know about) seems odd.

posted December 23, 2016 04:40 AM            

Even Eros kidnapped Psyche, and what do we think he did when he "visited" her at night?

Personally I think these things aren`t meant to be taken as face value but metaphorical. However I definitely can see the other take as well.

posted December 23, 2016 05:42 AM            

Man rape women in war, and they like it afterwards.

posted December 23, 2016 12:36 PM            

I've always thought that Persephone turns the rape around to her advantage. She doesn't remain a victim. She uses her experience of going through something really dark in order to empower herself and empower other people (helping them wade through their own darkness). She becomes Queen of the Underworld not because she is so in love with Hades. She really has no other choice now because she knows the darkness too well and too intensely to give it up. She knows she can't stay there but she can't entirely leave it behind, hence the 6 months underground and 6 months above ground thing.

I think that is why she is the perfect mythological figure for Scorpio. As a Scorpio Moon, I know personally that most people of this sign go through their own trauma but can end up turning it around to their advantage and finding great strength and power in it, like Persephone.

PS, I have never thought of her as being brainwashed. She is dragged down into the Underworld not by choice. But, she remains there by choice, in my view.

posted December 23, 2016 12:44 PM            

Thanks
actually whole Greek mythology is quite revoltingly hating towards women, just as ancient Greece in reality was, so merely a reflection. Rapes, kidnappings were the norm. Women were invisible, muted, enclosed into their houses, with no rights whatsoever, treated worse than slaves.
Athens - the civilization we now think of as the cradle of "democracy", was actually the worst. They were domestic and sexual slaves.
The "great" Greek thinkers, philosophers such as Aristotle for example deemed women as lowly creatures.
Of course women have been treated like s*it throughout all history, but ancient Greeks are real contenders for the worst oppressors ever (Sparta was bit better though).
Actually rape is an obsession in Athens. The number of rapes in mythology is shocking even if one only follows the "career" of Zeus or Appolo. The Love of the Gods in Attic Art of the Fifth Century B.C. lists 395 cases of rape by major
Olympic male gods. Several early myths connect rape with marriage, giving it social sanction (as in Sparta).

That's just skimming the top layer...
If someone is interested in the topic, I warmly recommend
-The Reign of the Phallus: Sexual Politics of Ancient Athens by Eva C. Kraus
- Goddesses, ****** , Slaves and Wives: Woman in Ancient Antiquity by Sarah Pomeroy

Greek mythology has been unjustly glamorized. It's good to have a nice distance to it, especially in astrology, where there's a lot of this bullc*ap.

posted December 23, 2016 12:46 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I have never seen it as romanticized. I think it is the perfect myth for the sign of Scorpio because it represents strength, beauty, and power coming from something really dark, horrific, upsetting, and/or traumatizing.

I've always thought that Persephone turns the rape around to her advantage. She doesn't remain a victim. She uses her experience of going through something really dark in order to empower herself and empower other people (helping them wade through their own darkness). She becomes Queen of the Underworld not because she is so in love with Hades. She really has no other choice now because she knows the darkness too well and too intensely to give it up. She knows she can't stay there but she can't entirely leave it behind, hence the 6 months underground and 6 months above ground thing.

I think that is why she is the perfect mythological figure for Scorpio. As a Scorpio Moon, I know personally that most people of this sign go through their own trauma but can end up turning it around to their advantage and finding great strength and power in it, like Persephone.

PS, I have never thought of her as being brainwashed. She is dragged down into the Underworld not by choice. But, she remains there by choice, in my view.

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Thank you for expressing so eloquently my feelings about it that I did not know how to express into words.

posted December 23, 2016 02:35 PM            

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:
So heavy topic..

Man rape women in war, and they like it afterwards.

This is Alexis Zorbas.

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Can you do women a favor, and either get an education or jump off a cliff? You're disgusting and sick if you think this is the case. I'm a rape survivor and no I never liked it. So kindly eff off

posted December 23, 2016 03:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
@cottonball

(Sparta was bit better though).

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posted December 23, 2016 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
@cottonball

p.s.: and to think there's a fine line is just disgusting... and symptomatic.

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for sure,
now I think that Alexis Zorbas is actually also known as the Greek, what a coincidence! and the story plays in creta.

posted December 23, 2016 03:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
Can you do women a favor, and either get an education or jump off a cliff? You're disgusting and sick if you think this is the case. I'm a rape survivor and no I never liked it. So kindly eff off

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I appologize if my way of expression is radical. It was written in a book, i cannot say anymore, since it is this topic.

posted December 23, 2016 03:56 PM            

@PixieJane It wasn't me but good for them, something's in the air maybe.

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
But, she remains there by choice, in my view.

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posted December 23, 2016 03:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Belba:
@cottonball

Thanks
actually whole Greek mythology is quite revoltingly hating towards women, just as ancient Greece in reality was, so merely a reflection. Rapes, kidnappings were the norm. Women were invisible, muted, enclosed into their houses, with no rights whatsoever, treated worse than slaves.
Athens - the civilization we now think of as the cradle of "democracy", was actually the worst. They were domestic and sexual slaves.
The "great" Greek thinkers, philosophers such as Aristotle for example deemed women as lowly creatures.
Of course women have been treated like s*it throughout all history, but ancient Greeks are real contenders for the worst oppressors ever (Sparta was bit better though).
Actually rape is an obsession in Athens. The number of rapes in mythology is shocking even if one only follows the "career" of Zeus or Appolo. The Love of the Gods in Attic Art of the Fifth Century B.C. lists 395 cases of rape by major
Olympic male gods. Several early myths connect rape with marriage, giving it social sanction (as in Sparta).

That's just skimming the top layer...
If someone is interested in the topic, I warmly recommend
-The Reign of the Phallus: Sexual Politics of Ancient Athens by Eva C. Kraus
- Goddesses, ****** , Slaves and Wives: Woman in Ancient Antiquity by Sarah Pomeroy

Greek mythology has been unjustly glamorized. It's good to have a nice distance to it, especially in astrology, where there's a lot of this bullc*ap.

p.s.: and to think there's a fine line is just disgusting... and symptomatic.

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