posted January 02, 2017 07:42 PM            

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Originally posted by next to neptune:

What about pluto or scorpio placements/aspects, would they do?

My scorpio venus is conjunct my scorpio pluto in 5th house (9 degrees wide though) but apart from that, they only receive sextiles or trines. The 5th house is the opposite one than the 11th though, which is said to bring good wibes among friends and could even lead to fame, am I right?

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posted January 02, 2017 07:45 PM            

There is, always, a reason for everything and the chart would show it, but it would take looking in depth at it, including all the asteroids in my opinion

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posted January 02, 2017 07:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Head, your friend prolly has some asteroids that are off putting to people like Nessus in a prominent place or others, such as Pholus or Eris.

Pluto conj the ASC is not enough info to form the kind of info about the person, in terms of being unpopular/hated or off putting.

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posted January 02, 2017 07:53 PM            

These are some guess, Chiron conjunct the ASC or MC(close), Pholus conjunct the ASC, MC or NN, Eros conjunct the Ascendant, MC or NN.

The latter have to be 2 degrees or less.

Chiron has to be exact to 3-4 degrees.

Do you have her time of birth?

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posted January 02, 2017 08:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That wouldn't be enough, in my opinion. Now, you got me curious.

These are some guess, Chiron conjunct the ASC or MC(close), Pholus conjunct the ASC, MC or NN, Eros conjunct the Ascendant, MC or NN.

The latter have to be 2 degrees or less.

Chiron has to be exact to 3-4 degrees.

Do you have her time of birth?

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posted January 02, 2017 08:04 PM            

Have you ever plugged in asteroids, Head?

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posted January 02, 2017 08:14 PM            

I am too busy, Head. I am working on a chart now.
You can take my list and plug things in, if you want and see what you get.

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posted January 02, 2017 09:33 PM            

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posted January 02, 2017 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
No
S. These people are usually amazing leaders

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posted January 02, 2017 10:19 PM            

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posted January 02, 2017 10:51 PM            

I believe Ares/Mars was the most hated among the Gods. Start there.

Mars aspects. Especially in the absence of counter balancing Venus aspects.

posted January 02, 2017 11:01 PM            

The two most hated opponents in recent American political history; Trump & Clinton.

Him - Ascendant conjunct Mars
Her - Sun square Mars

OTOH

There is George W Bush - No harsh Mars aspects, but Venus conjunct Ascendant. Some may argue he has done more terrible things than Trump, however he didn't get the same amount of hate.

posted January 03, 2017 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
The most hated man in contemporary European history - Adolf Hitler. Sun in Taurus, Mars in Taurus.

The two most hated opponents in recent American political history; Trump & Clinton.

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posted January 03, 2017 03:30 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Bush, Clinton, and Trump managed to get elected, and Adolf and Trump have even been treated as saviors by a large group of people (Adolf was appointed Chancellor by a guy who hated Hitler but had to bow to political pressures and popular support of Hitler), so they can't said to be the most hated. During Hitler's life, many outside of Germany (including Mussolini) were more dismissive of Hitler than hating on him until the propaganda machine got started for the war effort. And even The Great Dictator was more satire. Hitler became more hated after his defeat (it's like a law that a leader or nation can't be wholly hated unless utterly defeated in war), but even then there were people who defended him (and still do to this very day). For these reasons (and more I haven't said) I don't see them as good examples to find astrological indicators for what makes people seriously unpopular and hated. Though they may have indicators for being famous (and about anyone famous is going to have strong supporters and haters, especially if the celebrity is political).

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So true, maybe a famous person is not the best example, cause in order to be famous, they are kinda popular UNLESS someone knows of someone who got totally shitstormed on the internet, and also happens to know their TOB?

Cause today we see that some people get bullied in a whole new way, through the internet... I don't happen to know anyone though...

But according to the Sun - Mars aspect. I think this makes a person strongminded and aggressive in general... it also makes especially girls more masculine, which is frightening towards some very feminine girls. I got this aspect myself together with Moon opposite mars (and both on angle, 10th and 4th house).

posted January 03, 2017 07:28 AM            

Yes there are people who give strong, aggressive, bitchy vibes. There are others who try to please everyone and are always nice, There assertive ones without being aggressive nor too pleasing. There are, there are...

Ones like aggressive, others quiet people, others loud people, vanilla, chocolate, strawberry, et cetera.

I would prefer a bitchy type of person who is honest to a all smiley one who is deceitful, but I also know people who prefer the deceitful one because at least she is "friendlier".
It's a matter of personal taste and synastry.

posted January 03, 2017 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
^^

Mars conjunct Moon.

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I was thinking of this one.However, one planetary aspect alone seems to little to call as the source of a complex trait and being very unpopular is a complex trait. It can be either from being bullied, which is not the fault of the person, in which case I would call Chiron as the major planet in play.If the person were really obnoxious, I would call Pholus and Eris as very important factors.

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posted January 03, 2017 09:04 AM            

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Bush, Clinton, and Trump managed to get elected, and Adolf and Trump have even been treated as saviors by a large group of people (Adolf was appointed Chancellor by a guy who hated Hitler but had to bow to political pressures and popular support of Hitler), so they can't said to be the most hated. During Hitler's life, many outside of Germany (including Mussolini) were more dismissive of Hitler than hating on him until the propaganda machine got started for the war effort. And even The Great Dictator was more satire. Hitler became more hated after his defeat (it's like a law that a leader or nation can't be wholly hated unless utterly defeated in war), but even then there were people who defended him (and still do to this very day). For these reasons (and more I haven't said) I don't see them as good examples to find astrological indicators for what makes people seriously unpopular and hated. Though they may have indicators for being famous (and about anyone famous is going to have strong supporters and haters, especially if the celebrity is political).

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posted January 03, 2017 10:46 AM            

Peer support vs peer rejection.

There is always a "good" reason when we face social rejection, one common and often sad example is being very different in some ways (such as having a disability or anything out of the ordinary). There have been considerable efforts in our contemporary society to overcome marginalizing minoritary people for their differences, great accomplishments in this respects. The reason behind it is a natural animalistic instinct though, one that we need to overcome.

Apart from this example, and getting back to my first statement, there are usually founded reasons (albeit temporary and flexible, such as shyness in early years) behind general peer rejection. There usually are either socially inadequate behaviors leading to that or simply being...very different (which I explained triggers a natural fear response in the "norm"). I would look for the outers Pluto and Uranus + Saturn as a sign of peer rejection (for different reasons: Pluto can be perceived as forceful, overbearing, dark; Uranus as weird, irritating, a "freak", Saturn as excessively shy or dry) and for general personality markers to find the reason for the rejection (this is where we could include Mars placements - apart from all the other personal planets- showing a need for improving social skills, such as overcoming verbally or psychologically aggressive behavior, impulsive words or deeds, malice, gossip and so on). And this is because outer planets give us clues about our social/group impact and dynamics.
Many times the rejection itself is falsely perceived or overrated. Saturn influenced people usually overestimate the rejection or are just very ambitious about their social acceptance.
All situations of social rejection are very useful signs there is something about our social presence that we need to change (with the exception of my first example)

Other than that, it's just a synastry thing.

The charisma of powerful and famous malefic figures is an additional very interesting topic, imo. Famous vs. infamous is also related to the outer planets as markers. (all of them, Jupiter and Neptune included)

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posted January 03, 2017 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
OMG

This thread.

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Sorry if I offended anyone with this comment, I was just thinking "Astrology gets on my nerves sometimes...."

posted January 03, 2017 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Sorry if I offended anyone with this comment, I was just thinking "Astrology gets on my nerves sometimes...."

As I find it difficult to deal with negativity and any kind of fatalism, though it may be warranted in others' points of view. I just personally get upset with it.

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