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Topic: What would make someone seriously unpopular and hated?
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Elysia
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posted January 03, 2017 05:05 PM
  
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
But still to the point where everyone seems to notice you, and you really do make an impression on other people.... just never in a good way ??
Well,
1. Perceptions are *subjective*. Not everyone will be affected by you in the same way. They'll be seeing you through the lens of their own natal chart. 2. First impressions are mostly transient. The natals could probably point to someone having "presence" and an intense energy that cannot be ignored. If they're surrounded by insecure people, all those people will "hate" the man who has the conviction they lack. Does this mean the man himself has negative energy? No. He was merely around a crowd that did not like his particular brand of energy. Having said that, I strongly disagree that X or Y asteroid conjunct the Asc, Dsc, whatever angle is going to make someone universally hated. They're too small an influence. And it's an absurdly reductive approach to take. Asteroids have nuanced effects, if any, on personality. They're like garnishes, or some seasoning, if you will, on the main dish that is our personality. The ingredients are the planets, the kitchen is the environment we grew up in, the chef is all the people that shaped us. A sprig of parsley on top is not going to make you a completely detestable dish. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 03, 2017 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
what is it you find negative about the thread?
"What would make someone seriously unpopular and hated?" The idea that one aspect could doom a person to unpopularity and receiving hatred from others. That is a little hard for me to take. The whole concept.  No offense to you, I understand your curiosity. I probably shouldn't have said anything. IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted January 03, 2017 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by next to neptune:
what is it you find negative about the thread?
I think she meant that such questions provoke a certain "fatalistic" approach to astrology, which can turn negative very fast.
Not saying you meant to invite that..  Just that it happens. P.S. One way to go about answering your questions would be to look at the generational planet configuration at any time. That way, you can probably see what society deems praiseworthy or glamorous as opposed to punishable or "hateable".
People with such energy would struggle to be accepted "in their time", so to speak. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 03, 2017 05:10 PM
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Originally posted by Elysia:
I think she meant that such questions provoke a certain "fatalistic" approach to astrology, which can turn negative very fast.
Not saying you meant to invite that.. Just that it happens.
YES Thanks Elysia PS  to your comment above, though I am apparently crazier about asteroids than you are...for now anyway...I might de-crazify myself over time. IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted January 03, 2017 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
"What would make someone seriously unpopular and hated?"The idea that one aspect could doom a person to unpopularity and receiving hatred from others. That is a little hard for me to take. The whole concept. No offense to you, I understand your curiosity. I probably shouldn't have said anything.
 Oops. Looks like we were typing at the same time. Meesa thought you weren't there, so I jumped in.  About asteroids, yeah -- I like them as a story-telling device. They fit patterns, and invite us to see patterns we might've missed. I just think they're being given undue importance by some astrologers on this board, and one little rock is an indictment of someone's character.
^ That narrow perspective is what I was trying to discourage. They are good for things, sure. But certainly not the be-all and end-all of astro-hypothesizing. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 03, 2017 05:15 PM
You're awesome, Elysia.Thanks again!  And I agree on all points about asteroids. "I just think they're being given undue importance by some astrologers on this board," *cough cough* I'm not allowed to say anything, my lips are sealed. (I have Pandora conjunct my progressed NN by the way and I think it shows sometimes, and sometimes totally by accident.) IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted January 03, 2017 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Pholus or Eris conj the Ascendant, MC or NN lol
For instance, this. ^
Do not agree. IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted January 03, 2017 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
You're awesome, Elysia.Thanks again!
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Elysia
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posted January 03, 2017 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
And I agree on all points about asteroids."I just think they're being given undue importance by some astrologers on this board," *cough cough* I'm not allowed to say anything, my lips are sealed. (I have Pandora conjunct my progressed NN by the way and I think it shows sometimes, and sometimes totally by accident.)
Haha!! It's cool. Keep fighting the good fight. As & when it becomes necessary. IP: Logged |
neptunicity
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posted January 07, 2017 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Pholus or Eris conj the Ascendant, MC or NN lol
What is the meaning of Pholus? Is it negative? I read that it simply enlarges what it touches. I have Eris quintile ascendant in 3rd house, and yes, it just emphasizes my "fiery" Mars square ascendant, lol. quote:
Originally posted by Enneline:
i know some unpopular people and what they have in common: Pluto or Mars or Saturn either conj MC or Asc or even in the 10h. If there are no real strong aspects to cancel those placements out, you can be sure that the person is unpopular every now and then one unpopular girl - with other girls - i know has Uranus rising before the asc, and her moon squares mars. Uranus ill-aspected on the asc can make someone come across as awkward and the moon with hard aspects to Mars can point to problems with other women
Yes, I agree with this, I have Mars and Pluto squaring my ascendant with 0 and 1 orb, and I tend to be not liked occasionally, but mostly because people create trouble for me even if I don't step on anyone's toes. So I fight back. I also have Saturn in the 10th. I read that it indicates infamy. People seem prone to slandering me if they feel threatened or to achieve their goals, so they step on my toes. Fortunately though, I have Jupiter in the 1st conjunt ascendant, so I'm also likable and people want to be my friend. Eminem has Sun conjunct Uranus, and look at him. He is unpopular from time to time due to his lyrics mocking people like Moby or because of what he does. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 07, 2017 06:48 AM
I just did an article on Pholus on the angles in the asteroid Forum. I will link it, N.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 07, 2017 06:49 AM
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/004419.html ------------------
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Elise3090
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posted January 07, 2017 10:40 AM
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Nine
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posted January 07, 2017 11:24 AM
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But who doesn't have to put up with cr*p in their school years?
I dunno, the popular kids perhaps who does the bullying. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted January 07, 2017 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Nine:
I dunno, the popular kids perhaps who does the bullying.
My high school class was pretty polite overall, maybe because many of us are Rabbits, but there was still infighting and rumor-spreading amongst the popular kids. One of my friends who was popular faced an all-out attack by her "friends" when a guy kissed her in a car and she was seen and caught. She was cheating on her boyfriend and dragged through the mud like an adultress/harlot. She explained the kiss to me, the whole context, and it was fine as far as I was concerned.  I think people were just jealous of her because she was prettier. Her sun opposes the Pluto of our class, though. Mine squares it so maybe that's part of the reason she and I got along. But my point is, popular kids also get bullied. IP: Logged |
headintheclouds91
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posted January 07, 2017 04:25 PM
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neptunicity
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posted January 08, 2017 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I just did an article on Pholus on the angles in the asteroid Forum. I will link it, N.
Thanks for linking it! I have Pholus semi-square moon and conjunct Venus, but at 5 orb, so that's too wide to play out noticeably in my life, but can still happen though. Because for example, I remember asteroid Munch aspected Eris at 5 orb, and my bro and I would fight over food when we were younger, since he hogs it at times, lol. So I will observe how it will play out if ever. IP: Logged |
Elysia
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posted January 08, 2017 01:08 AM
Oh, the humanity.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 08, 2017 07:49 AM
Yea, 5 degrees is too wide for an asteroid, N!------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted January 08, 2017 08:45 AM
The asteroid has to be exact to about 3 degrees in a conjunction  ------------------
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neptunicity
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posted January 08, 2017 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Yea, 5 degrees is too wide for an asteroid, N!
True! Although now I'm inclined to believe that if it's aspected, it will still play out, but very faintly and just at a certain point in your life. It won't recur after that phase or particular incident. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 08, 2017 09:27 AM
YES, one should feel out the orbs, too. Good point, N!------------------
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neptunicity
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posted January 08, 2017 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YES, one should feel out the orbs, too. Good point, N!
Amen to that! That's why I included my "food war" moments with my brother, it only happened several times when we were still kids, then it never happened again. I guess that's the frequency of 4 to 5 orbs. It can last for several years though, but only as a phase. Or unless you move away from the culprit people/enviroment. By the way, I read the "Take Advantage" article, good job! It's closed now, but I want to share with you my thoughts. I also have Lie squaring my North and South node. I hate lying and being lied to, but people deceive me, betray me, slander and frame me. So I think it's either you are the perpetrator or the victim. And for me, Bilk literally means just that! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted January 08, 2017 10:16 AM
GREAT Work, N. If you face yourself without denial, you can be a great force for good in this world! People who have to lie about themselves destroy others, too! ------------------
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neptunicity
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posted January 08, 2017 10:34 AM
Yeah, some just want to see everything in rose colored glasses especially when it comes to themselves. Astrology IS fatalistic. If you can't relate to a certain aspect, it's either it hasn't happened yet or either the relationship was good or bad, so you can't relate to the positive or negative side that didn't play out. IP: Logged |
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