posted March 25, 2018 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^(EDIT: LOL not fit here, for the first post in a new page, anyway I'm feeling too lazy to quote, BAARF!)
How will you interpret a natal chart then if you have the discovery charts of half the planets missing ?

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posted March 25, 2018 01:53 AM            

Either they put up with too much bc they are on a fix it mission or they have unrealistic expectations that leads to this restlessness or eternal search.

posted March 25, 2018 01:54 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Statistics. Not what is read on the internet.

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posted March 25, 2018 01:57 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ And how will you interpret signs? Statistics again?

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Facebook could prolly tell you with their AI farms. LOL

posted March 25, 2018 02:10 AM            

Interrrnettt

posted March 25, 2018 02:12 AM            

Nessus (inside) and Dejanira (outside) to show opposite Plutos. Otherwise, they resonate nicely like they are in love with each other:

posted March 25, 2018 03:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Anyone with elder parents will tell you the unconditional love you receive as a child does come with expectation of reciprocation later.

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That is Saturn IMO. Not the Moon.

Saturn's exaltation in Libra suggests that Saturn does subscribe to the vibrational energy of give and take of Venus/Libra.

Libra grows resentful when its affections are not reciprocated. And Capricorn is forever aware of the obligatory nature of relationships I.e you will have to fulfill your end of the bargain.

But the Moon is irrational. So much so that it can be indifferent to reciprocation.

Saturn's "love" does have limitations i.e if you don't pay it forward or become what I want you to become,I will withdraw my approval of you.

This is the gay daughter who is "disowned". Or the ex con who is shunned by the parents etc. This is when reciprocation is not met. And this is not the nature of " love". But is the nature of most human relations.

The Moon is irrational. The Moon forgets obligations. The Moon seeks to open up, constantly let in and be vulnerable as the Moon looks from the perspective of feelings. It instinctively feels better "giving".

I recall a doc of a Dad who cycled cross country with his severely handicapped son. The mother had left them both because she couldn't handle the situation and the father demonstrated what I mean here.

I don't believe he expects a " return on investment" or reciprocation. To love his son without conditions transcends all that and is thus "irrational" to many people who will often say "what an extraordinary individual" etc.

But it isn't Neptune in the sense of loving the son from an idealistic point of "this is God's greatest gift to me" etc.

He gets frustrated, he gets angry at him, he has his moments of being less than an ideal parent. And he has no visions of seeing his son "restored". But he chooses to love his son in this moment again and again.

It is also not because of a sense of "duty" in the Virgoan sense. As he says his son has deepened his appreciation for what others would deem "imperfection".

So for him its not a "purpose" solely meant to cleanse oneself and "teach" humility.

By cleaning up after his son, arranging his life around him, reaching financial and many times emotional constraints, is not to learn a "lesson" or "fix",'improve" himself. But to continually embrace the perfection of what is.

posted March 25, 2018 04:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Lerena:
It's certainly possible to love another person but not yourself. All that's required to do this is the capability to like things about another person even if you don't like anything about yourself. Basically, not everyone experiences love in the same way, so there are cases of people finding it easier to love other people than it is for them to love themselves as well.

However, relationships are definitely much easier when both people in the relationship love themselves too. Someone not loving themselves quite often stirs up a bunch of conflict and it can be stressful to love and care about a person that doesn't love or care about themselves.

In my case, I fell in love with my boyfriend before I learned to love myself. Being loved by another person eventually motivated me to work on myself and become a better person. Over time, someone else loving me also helped me start to love things about myself and start seeing that I'm worthy of being loved.

Someone that struggles with self-love is still worthy of being loved. They do not need to love themselves first to fall in love or to be loved, but people struggling with self-love must definitely keep in mind that self-love is important and they should work on it as their relationship progresses.

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posted March 25, 2018 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ And where do these stats come from?

Interrrnettt

And people have already been doing that no? Interpreting placements based on their personal experience. And the problem I see with this is, to some KRS(that Vedic guy from youtube) comes across as a fun-loving astro-genius and to me he comes off as a fake-ass b$tch, maybe we need to compare disovery charts to figure out the reason for this too.

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"^ And where do these stats come from?"

Believe it or not, people enter their birth date in Facebook. It could be from a dating site. It could be from hospital records of each state. Social Security Admin., etc. They prolly could determine everyone's ASC programatically using artificial neural networks and video cards.

posted March 25, 2018 08:15 AM            

Neptune (inside) and Spirit (outside) to compare resonances. Both Moons and both Suns are in the same signs. Notice Spirit's Venus is on Neptune's NN and Neptune's Venus is on Spirit's NN. Spirit's Neptune is on Neptune's chart ruler. It is interesting that Spirit's Spirit is on Neptune's Uranus.

posted March 25, 2018 09:02 AM            

My Cancer Sun+ Venus 11H runs like a red thread throughout my years and I have "loved" unconditionally even when I should have walked away. I have tried to infuse my surroundings with Utopian ideals (yes, I do have Aqua Vertex! Why do you ask!?) and it has worked-short term-a few times, but people have literally not understood my compassion for the human race as a whole and neither have they understood my acceptance for differences humans have.

I can thus not contribute to whether I have actually loved one human alone the way love is described or "ought to be". I have felt ATTACHMENT and that I will put on my Cancer placements.

If we were to discuss SEX I can give you the answer for equally many mistakes made : Pluto + Mars conj Asc. People tend to dismiss Virgo Mars for something weak and "clean" but trust me when I say this: Virgo is some of the freakiest people out there..

posted March 25, 2018 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
That is Saturn IMO. Not the Moon.

Saturn's exaltation in Libra suggests that Saturn does subscribe to the vibrational energy of give and take of Venus/Libra.

Libra grows resentful when its affections are not reciprocated. And Capricorn is forever aware of the obligatory nature of relationships I.e you will have to fulfill your end of the bargain.

But the Moon is irrational. So much so that it can be indifferent to reciprocation.

Saturn's "love" does have limitations i.e if you don't pay it forward or become what I want you to become,I will withdraw my approval of you.

This is the gay daughter who is "disowned". Or the ex con who is shunned by the parents etc. This is when reciprocation is not met. And this is not the nature of " love". But is the nature of most human relations.

The Moon is irrational. The Moon forgets obligations. The Moon seeks to open up, constantly let in and be vulnerable as the Moon looks from the perspective of feelings. It instinctively feels better "giving".

I recall a doc of a Dad who cycled cross country with his severely handicapped son. The mother had left them both because she couldn't handle the situation and the father demonstrated what I mean here.

I don't believe he expects a " return on investment" or reciprocation. To love his son without conditions transcends all that and is thus "irrational" to many people who will often say "what an extraordinary individual" etc.

But it isn't Neptune in the sense of loving the son from an idealistic point of "this is God's greatest gift to me" etc.

He gets frustrated, he gets angry at him, he has his moments of being less than an ideal parent. And he has no visions of seeing his son "restored". But he chooses to love his son in this moment again and again.

It is also not because of a sense of "duty" in the Virgoan sense. As he says his son has deepened his appreciation for what others would deem "imperfection".

So for him its not a "purpose" solely meant to cleanse oneself and "teach" humility.

By cleaning up after his son, arranging his life around him, reaching financial and many times emotional constraints, is not to learn a "lesson" or "fix",'improve" himself. But to continually embrace the perfection of what is.

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Wow! This makes so much sense to me! Very well put. Neptune feels like romantic love to me, for sure. But what you have described here is true and unconditional.

posted March 25, 2018 10:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
That is Saturn IMO. Not the Moon.

Saturn's exaltation in Libra suggests that Saturn does subscribe to the vibrational energy of give and take of Venus/Libra.

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But the Moon is irrational. So much so that it can be indifferent to reciprocation.

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But it isn't Neptune in the sense of loving the son from an idealistic point of "this is God's greatest gift to me" etc.

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It is also not because of a sense of "duty" in the Virgoan sense. As he says his son has deepened his appreciation for what others would deem "imperfection".

So for him its not a "purpose" solely meant to cleanse oneself and "teach" humility.

By cleaning up after his son, arranging his life around him, reaching financial and many times emotional constraints, is not to learn a "lesson" or "fix",'improve" himself. But to continually embrace the perfection of what is.

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Side Note: Around me I've noticed that it is Libra siblings who end up having to take care of their mothers when she gets old. I attributed this to having Capricorn (responsibility) in the Solar 4th house.

posted March 25, 2018 11:38 AM            

When I was a young father (22) with young twins, I had already owned (making payments) a house, cars, furniture, appliances, etc. Then I got laid off from my job because of a major recession. One day, I went to the mail box and there was an envelope without a return address. I opened the envelope to discover a sizable amount of cash. Of course, I used it.

A couple of decades later it dawned on me what the anonymous person did. The sender of the cash transferred very positive energy (love) to me anonymously. It bothered me that I could not thank the person. I finally figured out how to remove the energy. I had to do the same or similar.

posted March 25, 2018 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Perhaps infatuation,romance and all that giddy, mushy stuff. But I would not say "Love". At least not in the interpersonal one on one sense.

Libra/Taurus are both Venus ruled. Libra doesn't like crowds and wants to be with a partner talking. But they love the intellect of the partner. Not instinctively. Love is more " I relate " in essence.

Taurus loves to lounge around with their mate- giving them tons of physical affection. They love the creature comforts that the partnership can bring. Love is more a " I have" possession.

Pisces is exalted in Venus placement. But I find Pisces in love to be more "fantasy"
than flesh and bone i.e. when Pisces starts to get involved with you on a personal basis,the fantasy disappears and they can start to look externally for unrealised dreams. This is love "ideal" and not real.

The "love" planet to me is the Moon. Its nurturing instincts are the nature of love because they don't require the other person to "do" something or be anything. It just is. And is very personal.

The typical love a mother instinctively feels for her offsprings is what I would equate to love.

Cancer energy is love. It just cares. No questions asked.

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In Chiron's Discovery chart the moon is at home in Cancer conjuncting Jupiter in Cancer in the 7th (exalted) this then squares Venus conjunct Pluto and Northnode in Libra on the MC.

It also has an exact square between thisbe and pyramus and venus conjunct psyche squares eros.

Chiron may just be the ultimate true love dwarf planet.

posted March 25, 2018 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Hypatia238 makes good points. This post is in reference to Neptune's Nessus on Neptune's Dejanira. It is hidden within Neptune. If you were to look at Neptune on your natal chart, you might not could see it.

Nessus (inside) and Dejanira (outside) to show opposite Plutos. Otherwise, they resonate nicely like they are in love with each other

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That is not what I am talking about although I am glad you are pointing this out too.

I mean that in the Discovery chart of Neptune, Nessus and dejanira are conjunct exact in Gemini at 12d!

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