posted March 27, 2018 12:07 AM            

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Or how about spelling backwards?

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posted March 27, 2018 12:11 AM            

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Were were designed to be selfish because we are embedded in flesh (body). That is the path to least resistance. When we become deceased, we are guaranteed to be unselfish.

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posted March 27, 2018 01:35 AM            

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I think of love as the compliment of self (soul).

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I’m having some difficulty following this thread, but what I think we keep getting back to is the existence of something if it’s not perceived. I feel like we’re talking about a spiritual love that transcends the human experience. I’ll admit that I don’t really understand that!

I think of love as an experience of the self.

"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" (I’m going to assume you’re familiar with the discussion this question intends to provoke.)

Lol

Isn’t love a manisfestation of our senses: seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, touching? A Taurus thing? What is love without these things? What are we without these things? Dead? Potential energy without form?

“Can we assume the unobserved world functions the same as the observed world?”

In bundle theory, an object is its sense data.

“The anthropic principle suggests that the observer, just in its existence, may impose on the reality observed.”

Is love (as we know it) a subjective experience of our existence?

Consider this:

“The definition of sound, simplified, is a hearable noise. The tree will make a sound, even if nobody heard it. The definition states that sound is a hearable noise. So the tree could have been heard, though nobody was around to do so.”

So let’s say love can exist without the human experience. Does it matter?

"A truly unobserved event is one which realises no effect (imparts no information) on any other (where 'other' might be e.g., human, sound-recorder or rock), it therefore can have no legacy in the present (or ongoing) wider physical universe. It may then be recognized that the unobserved event was absolutely identical to an event which did not occur at all."

“If a tree exists outside of perception then there is no way for us to know that the tree exists. So then, what do we mean by 'existence', what is the difference between perception and reality?”
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/If_a_tree_falls_in_a_forest

Again, I think of love as an experience of the self. To experience it in its entirety we must accept selfishness and ugliness. Without that point of reference, how would we know love?

In the garden of Eden, to become enlightened meant becoming evil... to know good and bad. Before that, we were simple beings! Lol. The world is more complicated than a perfect garden void of badness and selfishness. In pre-sin Eden, It would be easy to love everybody with their perfect selves! Love would be meaningless without bad. Yin yang!

“Agape love involves faithfulness, commitment, and an act of the will. It is distinguished from the other types of love by its lofty moral nature and strong character.”
http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gotquestions.org/amp/agape-love.html

“An act of the will”, meaning it takes conscious effort. It involves morality and knowing good and bad. Can we rid ourselves of these unsavory qualities and still know love? Wouldn’t we become Vulcans lol?!

Neptune at its best knows the difference between selfish and self-interest.

“Self-interest is essential for your happiness and well being. It enables you to provide food and shelter for you and your family. Self-interest is necessary for your economic and career success. If you are not concerned about yourself, who will be?

Selfishness is different than self-interest. Selfish people tend to be exclusively concerned about only themselves. They don’t care about anyone else and have no regard for other people. Selfish individuals may act in a manner that’s detrimental to others.”
http://www.presspublications.com/opinionsc olumns/146-dare-to-live-without-limits/7386-self-interest-vs-selfish-there-is-a-difference

We have to be self-interested? Why exist otherwise? Even acts of altruism involve some ego gratification.

Hopefully that wasn’t too hard to follow.

posted March 27, 2018 02:25 AM            

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Another example: You want to party with your friends (buy booze) but you decide to pay child support instead because you can't afford both.

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That's simply suppressing the desire to party, if you follow that you will be paying child support but in your head you will be partying.

posted March 27, 2018 08:35 AM            

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In my eyes living 30 years doing what you want is better than living thousand years doing what you don't want to.

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I understand. There is no free ride. It works counter-intuitively. Exaltation (pride) is when we put our soul at a higher priority than our human spirit (self mode). Humility is when we put our human spirit at a higher priority than our soul (selfless mode).

John Paul Jackson explains it on this video and the scriptural basis is linked below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xd4JArzoF48

posted March 28, 2018 07:16 AM            

Neptune could be working with Chiron to break our soul down. I envision Chiron making a clean sweep in our soul, possibly applying pressure and breaking our soul down before we submit our will. Then Neptune can come in to encourage us to love after Chiron has done its work. Chiron could be working with Pluto/Venus on Chiron's NN to go deep in our soul to point to the garbage that needs to be addressed. Pluto is prolly unselfish since Venus can be selfish, similar to Mars being selfish and Neptune being unselfish. It could be a polarity explosion thing.

Here is Neptune (inside) and Chiron (outside). The hint of the connection is Neptune's Chiron is on Chiron's NN while Chiron's Chiron is on Neptune's SN. The main energy source could be coming from Chiron's ASC being on the GC. Notice how Scorpio Chiron is bound to Neptune's chart ruler.

Here is the combined energy of Neptune and Chiron. Looks like it can clear the soul out so love (energy transfer) can occur.

posted July 05, 2023 09:27 AM            

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^ Well it's a planet of Beauty, has to be selfish no? And why are you condemning selfish-ness to such extent? I have seen plenty of 'selfless' people ruining other people's lives in the name of Good(read God), well atleast these so called selfish people don't bother others much as they are only concerned with their own lives.

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well said. I feel that we should all be more selfish and think only about our lives, and not bother others.

It's horrible that they meddle in your life.