posted March 25, 2018 09:51 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Venus can be a planet of selfishness. That isn't love. Neptune should have been named Venus.

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posted March 25, 2018 10:03 PM            

Ranked by popularity, I get Angelina Jolie, Beyoncé Knowles, Rihanna, Cameron Diaz, and Selena Gomez having Venus on the ASC. No Men!

Beauty and love are likely two different things though.

It seems Venus relates to the soul and flesh while Neptune relates to the human spirit. Venus seems to be finite while Neptune can be infinite. Venus seems to be powerless while Neptune can be powerful.

posted March 25, 2018 10:04 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Here is a simple example quote. The net is flooded with these types of descriptions. Much of the manifestation is selfish oriented and nothing to do with love.

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While the greatest manifestation of Venus is shown on an emotional level, it will also speak of our self-worth, money, banks, jewelry and sweets. Taurus Venus will speak of pasta while Libra Venus will speak of chocolate, and when combined, we get pleasures of all kinds, to taste, feel, and sense with our entire body and soul. It is a planet of senses – touch, taste and smell primarily, and it will bring out the love for certain things in our lives. http://www.astrology-zodiac-signs.com/astrology/planets/venus/

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It is self-love dude..self-love.

posted March 25, 2018 10:05 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Venus just doesn't sound that glamorous you know..I mean it kinda sounds like p..enus. Pisces ruled by V..enus ? Nah, Neptune is alright for me. Papa Neptune sounds far better to my ears, instead of Paapa Venus(or would it be Mama), it just does not have the same ring to it.

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posted March 25, 2018 10:11 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
It is self-love dude..self-love.

Why do I style my hair? self-love, I do have Venus in 5th so that's why I'm focused on the hair more than most I guess, plus it conjuncts my Sun, Mercury and Saturn, and trines Jupiter, tak about selfishness, trollllll.

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posted March 25, 2018 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
That is not love IMO. Need two souls for love to take place. That is likely a delusion so you can continue to be selfish.

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posted March 25, 2018 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Love too is selfish no? You give something to get something back, I'm talking about it generally in the usual relationships present in the world ( let's not go to unconditional love, I don't see it much).

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posted March 25, 2018 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Here is Mother Teresa's chart. Notice her Venus was not in Virgo. But, she had an exalted Merc and exalted Moon (opposite signs of Pluto, Neptune, and Uranus Moons) which is on her NN. Also, her Virgo is in the 9th and her Neptune is in Water. She had to overcome her selfish Venus in the 8th.

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posted March 26, 2018 09:58 AM            

The following is only IMO:

I believe there are two modes we can be in. We regularly switch back and forth between the modes. They seem to work like a master-slave relationship, such as both can't be master at the same time.

(1) Self mode - Whenever we nourish our body or groom our hair we snap into self mode. It places the focus on self (mind, will, emotion). We need to be selfish in order to survive while in the flesh (body). It is also connected to our reptilian brain, like instinct.

(2) "Not Self" mode - Whenever we focus on others we become unselfish. We are accessing our human spirit (conscience, fellowship, wisdom). These seem to be like communication pipes. When we love another soul, the fellowship (communion) pipe is activated and energy is transferred.

The place where the soul and human spirit meet is called the heart. Not a physical heart. For example, the following verse is not referring to emotion in the soul, it is referring to the place where the soul and human spirit meet:

posted March 26, 2018 10:23 AM            

One focuses on the self(this I am speaking from experience).

Another supposedly focuses on the other(this I don't know anything about and it is not the path for me).

posted March 26, 2018 10:48 AM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ And how do you know this ?

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There is a communication pipe representing wisdom. It is not mental wisdom (of the soul). It is spiritual wisdom (through the human spirit). It comes through the human spirit's wisdom communication pipe from the Source (Creator). Spiritual wisdom transference efficiency is dependent upon the clarity of the conscience, which is another device in the human spirit.

posted March 26, 2018 11:14 AM            

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There is a communication pipe representing wisdom. It is not mental wisdom (of the soul). It is spiritual wisdom (through the human spirit). It comes through the human spirit's wisdom communication pipe from the Source (Creator). Spiritual wisdom transference efficiency is dependent upon the clarity of the conscience, which is another device in the human spirit.

So to answer your question, it is spiritual wisdom. It darn sure didn't come from my ignorant finite soul.

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Sounds like the Spirit is your higher self, the part of us that is connected to the infinite consciousness while the soul is the self, the individual consciousness that lives on.

posted March 26, 2018 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Sounds like the Spirit is your higher self, the part of us that is connected to the infinite consciousness while the soul is the self, the individual consciousness that lives on.

Its an interesting way to look at it.

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IMO "higher self" (human spirit) is not named properly because it is not in self (soul).

The human spirit represents life in the flesh (body). When we were conceived (not when we were born), our human spirit is attached to our newly created soul. Our soul (self) has never existed before conception. When we become physically deceased, the human spirit detaches from our soul and returns to the Source. Our soul can persist after death of the flesh.

While in the flesh, it can be an illusion or delusion of the soul to think our human spirit is ours. Our assigned life (human spirit) is not ours. We were temporarily assigned our human spirit at conception. It is bound to our soul at conception. Then it returns when our flesh dies. If our temporarily assigned human spirit was ours, we could live forever in the flesh.

posted March 26, 2018 12:07 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Ok so your theory and views are that the human spirit is not ours and returns to the source after we die but the soul is ours and can live on after we die too?

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posted March 26, 2018 12:14 PM            

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
^ And then?

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posted March 26, 2018 12:16 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
We can control our soul and body while in the flesh. Our soul is not really ours either except in the flesh. After death of the flesh, we lose control of our soul for an unspecified time.

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So there you go what is the difference between soul and spirit, what is the function of each? why do each exist if they are different things?

posted March 26, 2018 12:24 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Then we can receive control of our soul back.

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ok the soul is why reincarnation is possible then?