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Topic: Super-Rich People Should Be Ashamed Of Themselves
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lionseye***
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From: edmonton, ab. ca
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posted August 12, 2009 05:13 AM
 
Heal the world
Make it a better place
For you and for me and the entire human raceThere are..people dieing
If you care enough for the living
Make it a better place for you and for me
-------- I'm looking at the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no question could have been any clearer If you want to make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself and MAKE THAT CHANGE owww! ----- Blatant MJ plug. Proud MJ fan here  IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted August 12, 2009 05:46 AM
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Please, somebody, tell me I am not the crazy one here, because I am not the crazy one here. Wake up! Get real!! Stop wiping your ass with money that can save children's lives. Do I really have to say it? Do I have to be "that guy"? Okay, then, I'll say it: Think of the children!!!
I completely and untterly agree with you right down to the last letter. I was having the same rant with Pisces the other day. Proper full on rant. I just don't know how some of these people live with themselves. I'm not talking about comfortably well-off people, such as MoonWitch describes, I am talking about the super-rich. Yeah it's judgmental and I don't care. It's sick. How much do you actually need beyond your big house, food, providing for your children's future? Makes me puke when I see the likes of George Clooney who earns millions of dollars with every sh!tty film he makes, pimping his arse to Satan, selling espresso machines. He's no more than a wh0re. How much money do you need George? Pluto in Libra in the second house. I'm equally harsh on myself and people in my personal life who waste things. Avoidable waste is a sin and I try to avoid it. Yeah, I fully realise that to a third world person I am the super-rich but given that this is the case I try not to abuse that position. I try to live lightly and I can honestly say I rarely waste anything or consume any resource I don't need. I fully realise that I'm not perfect though. My perfect existence would be full self-sustainability on a piece of land no bigger than what I need to live. I would gladly give up my house and all its "comforts". It pains me greatly, all of it. In fact most of my current discontent is based on living less sustainably now than I was three years ago when my toilet flushed with rainwater and I had no gas or electricity. Modern world feels corrupt. I opened the rubbish bin last night to find my sister had put in a bunch of grapes that had absolutely nothing wrong with them. Then opened the dishwasher to find it had been put on with only a half a load of dishes in it. I just felt like crying and moving out. I don't feel proud for being judgemental like this. I'm not without sin myself but this sort of uneccessary consumption truly makes me feel ill, like SunChild said it can reduce me to tears. It's more apparent in the super-rich. I just know I couldn't live like that and I don't support it. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted August 12, 2009 06:13 AM
Sorry, I must sound like some prissy self-congratulating sh!t. I'm not honest. Like MoonWitch said, some people must hate me too.IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted August 12, 2009 06:23 AM
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Makes me puke when I see the likes of George Clooney who earns millions of dollars with every sh!tty film he makes
i don't really think it's his fault that he gets money for that... it's not like he's cheating, it's how it's working. (i don't know what's so cool about him tho, is he that good-looking??) those "super-riches", yes they can be disturbing... but as someone said, a lot of them do make personal donations to personal institutions of their liking, and that has its own function in the society. the ones that appear on TV boasting like fools don't represent all of them though. it is coupled with ignorance and stupidity, and we can find that kind of people among middle-class, poor, normal rich, everywhere around the world. the sad thing is that the world IS "balanced" in its own way and that is why it is like this. of course it's unfair, but there is no way to make an immediate change. BUT we CAN change it. there are people who are trying to change it, RIGHT NOW as well as in the past. but you know why it's not changing faster than we want it to be? that's because majority of us don't care to take action. it's not ONLY those uber-riches, it's every one of us who isn't doing anything (*most* of us). when more people start to be conscious, then the world WILL change. it will take another 100-200 years for the whole system to go through the complete re-formation. IP: Logged |
lechien
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From: i live in a kitchen
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posted August 12, 2009 06:29 AM
wheels of cheese, i don't think you're being prissy!  i know so well how you must have felt about wasting of food. for me, it's unthinkable to throw away ANY edible things (well unless it's total junk crap, but i never buy that stuff). a lot of people think i'm a bit too tedious because i get incredibly economical trying to use every edible part of vegetables, and never throwing away leftovers. it's incredible how careless people can get! if you can't eat the grapes, freeze them and eat them like mini-popcicles! that's what i'm doing right now because my room-mate didn't want them anymore. yum. IP: Logged |
T
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posted August 12, 2009 06:29 AM
I can understand how it seems a bit numb SunChild. Vivekananda can explain this "witnessing" more thoroughly. And surely it's not everyone's path. IP: Logged |
T
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posted August 12, 2009 06:34 AM
Condemn none: if you can stretch out a helping hand, do so. If you cannot, fold your hands, bless your brothers, and let them go their own way. All differences in this world are of degree, and not of kind, because oneness is the secret of everything That man has reached immortality who is disturbed by nothing material. Swami Vivekananda He could have it all wrong too!  IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted August 12, 2009 06:42 AM
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i don't really think it's his fault that he gets money for that
No, I wasn't saying he should be condemned for making films (even if they are sh!tty  ), it's the advertising on top of it all, seems so unnecessary given how much he already has through his profession. @ T. My glass house has just imploded from all the stones I'm throwing at it. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted August 12, 2009 06:43 AM
And that Swami guy has one loincloth more than he really needs, take it from me, so he can shut his cakehole.ETA: grape popsicles! Cool! IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares
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posted August 12, 2009 06:44 AM
I have the same stand as T. EDIT: But I'm also pro-abundance and wealth. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted August 12, 2009 06:47 AM
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lechien
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posted August 12, 2009 06:52 AM
ha-hah! IP: Logged |
downtomars
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posted August 12, 2009 06:56 AM
My biggest thing when it comes to the super rich: values. What do they value? When you can afford everything you have ever wanted, what do you want? I don’t know, I really have no desire to be super rich. Maybe it is because I grew up pretty poor and I learned to value my family, friends and the few items I did have (radio, music, pen and paper, my imagination) and truly appreciate when something good did come my way. That is the thing, what do they appreciate? I can’t wrap my head around it. I never want to lose the feelings I have around Christmas when I get to give and receive presents (I am the best gift giver ever!), when you are a multi-millionaire however, who cares? Gifts – giving and receiving – are an everyday, ordinary thing. I never want to feel that way. I am right there with you Valus. I always think about what celebrity money could do to help well, everything really. I remember that it was such a huge deal that Sandra Bullock (I’ve mention her a lot I just realized, I usually pay attention to fellow Leos though) gave $1 Million to charity after the attacks on 9/11. ETA: the media wanted us to be so impressed but I thought to myself, “That’s all?” and "Is she the only one?" I mean, that was a nice thing to do but that is barely a dent in her “One of the most highly paid actresses” salary…Hmm…Oprah and her school, I mean, I do like that she has made “spiritual and new age” things the norm BUT I do have some issues with what she said about making her school in Africa. Yes, I think it was wonderful and so very important for her to open a school in Africa but when asked by critics “why not the U.S.?” she said because the values are screwed up amongst teens in the U.S. (I am paraphrasing)…..HELLO! Wouldn’t it be nice if you could help change that? Instead of just being self righteous about it (and slightly vindictive), try to change it (bad, Aquarius, bad). The sad thing is…I actually agreed with her at first! I was like “Oh yeah, teenagers in America today only want iPods and new sneakers, yeah” then I thought about how disgusting that is and how disgusting she was for saying it in a public forum. I dated a “trust fund” guy from No. VA but his parents instilled values in him because they actually did “make themselves”. He drove a crappy car, worked full time, volunteered regularly and when he did do the “social scene” thing it was usually a charitable event. He did not flaunt it and he didn't feel the need to. (Him: Leo w/Virgo rising, Moon in Scorpio)… I always said that if I “struck it rich” I would buy a farm and have a bunch of kids (hopefully with a loving man in my life) and animals, save for their education (even the animals? Of course! lol), give the rest to charity – who cares about Bentleys and bling when you have that? Shoot, I could do that now (well, in a few years)… This is something I have been thinking about for a long time. As a Leo I have always wanted to be famous but I never really cared about the super rich part. As long as people were oohing and aahing about me that is all the currency I would need! Leo Sun
Aqua Rising
Saturn & NN in 8th house (going through a return)
SN in Pisces in the 2nd house
Venus conj DC, opp AC, trine MC & IC ETA: I also think that charitable donations, esp. those made by celebs, should be kept anonymous. The media grabbed on to both of those stories that I mentioned and went on and on about it forever, which would cause anyone to make their own judgements...
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Deux*Antares
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posted August 12, 2009 06:58 AM
I'm for well-rounded abundance covering money, relationships, health, mental and spiritual wealth. IMHO, I don't think it's wise to just focus on spirituality because this is a physical world after all; we came here to experience the material side of existence. Otherwise, just stay in the astral plane or whereever. You have a point, Valus. But I'm thinking those people are what they are because we have collectively made them so directly or indirectly. ETA: I am working on getting wealthy so I can help other people. Teach them how to fish. ETA2: Btw, I'm originally from a third world nation so I know that empowering people through education -- and not distributing actual wealth -- is the solution. ETA3 : I have changed my perspective on money and rich people because I have learned that how we view it/them affects the way and the amount of abundance that comes to us. IP: Logged |
wheels of cheese
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posted August 12, 2009 07:45 AM
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I have changed my perspective on money and rich people because I have learned that how we view it/them affects the way and the amount of abundance that comes to us.
Lend us a tenner then Deux. I need to buy my sister some grapes.Nah, seriously, I get the points that you and T are making actually.  IP: Logged |
Yin
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posted August 12, 2009 08:38 AM
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ETA2: Btw, I'm originally from a third world nation so I know that empowering people through education -- and not distributing actual wealth -- is the solution.
AMEN TO THAT, Deux*Antares!!! Abso-friggin-lutely! I love teaching of any kind. It's a gift you cannot take back that just keeps on giving. Yin,
who also wants to try and change the world one soup kitchen at the time
Soon. IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares
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posted August 12, 2009 08:38 AM
Wheels My sister ought to live with your sister. When she came over for a visit recently, I had to teach her how not to waste "resources" (e.g. don't use the washing machine to wash just one pair of pants, cook in batches, keep the not-so-soiled paper napkin after eating a sandwich so you can use it later in the day to wipe spills or pick up dirt on the floor, etc). IP: Logged |
Yin
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posted August 12, 2009 09:03 AM
Valus, I read and re-read your initial post.I agree. This statement seemed to have been overlooked in the discussion and it really stroke a cord within me: quote:
Do you really think that you did it all yourself? Without luck? Without god-given talents, like resourcefulness, drive, initiative, charisma, etc.? Do you take credit for all these things?? Wake up! "The power of fate is confessed only by the miserable, for the happy attribute all their success to prudence and merit." ~ Jonathan Swift
... but then I am infinitely exploring the concept of humility and pride and how they can (or cannot) coexist. Or should I say: "To what degree". LOL. Now, let's go feed somebody who's hungry. IP: Logged |
GypseeWind
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posted August 12, 2009 09:56 AM
I don't have money, I never have. I don't want it either because I think money IS the root of all evil and corruption.
People use their wealth to buy "things" and then they need to hire people to watch over their "things" so they don't get stolen. Then they hire lawyers to watch over the people who are watching over the things. Then they need investigators to watch over the lawyers who are watching over the people who are watching over the things. In the end, the things you own, end up owning you.
It's not worth it, you can't take it with you.
And people say, "well, I want to be able to provide for my children, and my childrens children." Why? So they never have to know an honest days work? So they feel that their only value is what it says on a peice of paper? So that they can never really know if a person loves them or loves their money? Pshh. Not doing any favors there.
Maybe I'm weird (well, no maybe there) but I kinda like having to stuggle, it keeps me on my toes. I have to be creative and have some wisdom to know the difference between wants and needs, and living this way teaches my children the value of what they have.IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted August 12, 2009 10:12 AM
welcome back Heart Shaped Cross 
juni------------------
What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted August 12, 2009 10:17 AM
money isn't the source of all the evil, the concept of money is. whatever it is the same principle applies, they can cause evil too. what will happen if the world was without money? that's nonsense! we will always have some shape of something that acts as currency.money can be the source of compassion and help too. it's all ideas that comes with it. and some of us know how to use it wisely, some don't. IP: Logged |
Deux*Antares
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posted August 12, 2009 11:08 AM
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what will happen if the world was without money?
Barter! Some people say money is the root of all evil. Some people say it's the LOVE of money that's the root of all evil.
To me money is nothing but crystallized energy or a medium of exchange, so it can be either good or bad depending on how you use it.
I want more money because it can be transformed into a lot of things and experiences I love. IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted August 12, 2009 12:01 PM
Wow, this thread blew up
like a powder keg,
and without the pictures
of oily man meat, too. Very interesting responses. I may or may not have more to say.
For now, I'm just enjoying
witnessing.
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DepTaurus
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posted August 12, 2009 12:05 PM
i agree with you valus it is disgusting when people go on and on about there money. i hate that show on mtv or channel 21 i think its the fabulous life of the rich and famous cleberties. that is so stupid why would anyone care about how many cars or houses or how much money britney spears or madonna or j-lo has its so pathetic. i watch it and i wanna vomit in my cereal.seriously what would you do with 3 or four houses. personally i would spend my whole life trying to decorate it then clean it. actually the good thing about 4 houses is that it needs cleaning and since i love to clean that would be heaven for me. but it would be a huge hasel to fit stuff in there. especially those huge houses. and i would never buy a house in california because fires people come on. i guess it is bad karma when california fires strikes the houses of celeberties down there. maybe its a sign that you have too much stuff. whats that word umm oh yeah DONATE some stuff please i need it. like madonna sings cause we are living in a material world. i hope we can change it but its not bad at least some of them to give alot to charity. but those who dont should just drown in there tub of money. IP: Logged |
Valus
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posted August 12, 2009 12:26 PM
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Better yet, bring it to the dump like I did.Where it belongs.
My t.v. belongs
exactly where it is.
Just like everything else.
Right, T?  IP: Logged |
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