posted August 14, 2009 08:00 PM         

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I just dont understand how you, lechien, T, and others can argue that telling me to give my television to charity is perfectly reasonable, while telling David Geffen to give his 20 million dollar private jet to charity is out of line. Am I really the one with confused priorities here?

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Yes, you are. Because you only have the power to do what YOU can do. Not change anyone else. That TV of yours could help feed people. Arent they they ones that your cause and arguments are truly all about?

posted August 14, 2009 08:07 PM         

I take it back.

posted August 14, 2009 08:09 PM         

10 percent of time and or income is wonderful. whether you make 500 week or 50,000 a day. more than that is being very very generous.

so i think we all need to give, our talents, our time, our kindness, what does it cost to open doors for old people? nothing..

billionaires and people with not alot, they all should contribute something for the betterment of the world. if you arent giving you are taking. why leave it on the shoulders of certain rich people, we all have a duty to help one another. in doing so we help ourselves.

why concentrate just on them? if everybody does thier part the world would be a much better place.

mazillionaires who are selfish and not giving, just like regular people who are selfish and not giving, will someday realise they can never have enough to satisfy that hole in them. most will be very lonely when old.

givers don't have that hole, because giving makes you whole.

posted August 14, 2009 08:10 PM         

And I do think I'm making a difference, in my small way, by flapping my butterfly wings on this side of the world, and attempting to change the minds of the people in my community. If "normal" folks like us stop praising people for their billions of dollars, they will have to take a look at themselves sooner or later. But I doubt one voice, like mine, will make them think. They are isolated in their golden towers. Anyway, I just disagree with you, so why are you trying to make me live according to your rules, and then telling me they are my rules? They aren't.

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Who do you think you are?

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I'm Valus.

posted August 14, 2009 08:18 PM         

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My philosophy is that, if you have WAY more than you need, you should give it away. So, I am not contradicting my philosophy.

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Excuse me, but maybe your philosophy could use some adjusting. So only people that have a ton of money can help poor people out??? I dont think so.

So that means you can not help the less fortunate in ANY way whatsoever and so you get to keep your TV now? No.

If you care, help. If you care about them, get out there. Arguing in threads like these is not helping people who truly need help, no matter what you say.

Do you want to help the less fortunate or not?

What can you do to make that happen?

Is it just a gripe with billionares or do you want to help people who need it?

Which/who is more important?

posted August 14, 2009 08:22 PM         

You disagree. So be it.

I think that the drop in the bucket
that I personally could give
does not compare to what a
single billionaire could do,
if he saw things as I see them.

So I am sharing my perspective.

You disagree. Fine.

Please calm down.

posted August 14, 2009 08:28 PM         

It's not hard for me to understand Valus. What's hard for you to understand though is how your unconsious self plays out on these boards and how it's never about the others and always about you. Anyone who has been around for awhile sees this.

Instead of flapping your little butterfly wings why not help people grow pheonix wings and rise from their ashes?

"If "normal" folks like us stop praising people for their billions of dollars, they will have to take a look at themselves sooner or later. But I doubt one voice, like mine, will make them think. "

People's so-called "praise" is not what is wrong with billionares or the world. Why do you think it's your job to make people look at themselves. Please answer me that? Many people would agree that you need to take some hard looks at yourself. Perhaps that is what you are trying to escape in doing what you try to do.

If you doubt one voice, like yours, will make them think - then why are you bothering, hmmmm? Take a look at that. First you say you are here to change people's minds, but then you admit that you doubt you will. So, from there, I think it might be wise to find a more productive way of helping the world. Instead of wasting your time, devote it to people who could benefit from it.

"Anyway, I just disagree with you, so why are you trying to make me live according to your rules, and then telling me they are my rules? They aren't."

I'm doing nothing of the sort, dear. I'm only expressing my thoughts just like you. I know your rules arent mine. lol

posted August 14, 2009 08:32 PM         

LOL

posted August 14, 2009 08:34 PM         

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

Take care now.

posted August 14, 2009 08:38 PM         

But V, how could you think that? I would think of you as a person who would agree that it's not money that is what makes people "rich". The real wealth lies somewhere else. That is the wealth that people truly want and need. I've seen you extend that here many times over the years, but not in this thread.

What you said above confirms to me what I was thinking. That you wish you were a billionare. That you think billionares are more powerful and have more influence than you do. That you are helpless. That you hate the fact that you do not have oodles of money to spare and use that as an excuse. My whole point really is, that, there are better avenues in which you could be directing your energies and passion on this subject. You cant disagree with that. Posting threads on LL is not going to do much for the world and people who are truly in need. Why not go out and talk to and help them?

posted August 14, 2009 08:46 PM         

Something inspired you today,
that's for sure.

God bless.

posted August 14, 2009 08:49 PM         

But my insight
is very powerful.

That's why I believe
that a thread like this
is not a waste of time.

Maybe you think it is,
but I don't.

I feel very powerful.

posted August 14, 2009 08:50 PM         

God bless you too.

posted August 14, 2009 08:51 PM         

but we really need to stop

posted August 14, 2009 08:56 PM         

We do. We really do. And now I have my brother yapping in my ear and cant concentrate.

Do you plan on doing any kind of volunteer work anywhere?

I think you would be of great help to illiterate people.

posted August 14, 2009 09:01 PM         

mother theresa didn't despise the rich. do you think they would give her two cents if she condescended to them? she made her point AND she wore a BIG FAT SMILE and helped people see how they could help more.

but you are NOT powerless. as pointed out by someone, a $50 tv is worth a month's food to someone in india. hell, $10 would feed some families for a week...you have a roof over your head? i have shared mine with homeless people at times.

i'm not arguing with you, guy, i am trying to broaden your perspective so you can accomplish some of your desire to help. i don't appreciate the way you talk down to me but i do appreciate your heart goes out to the starving...

posted August 15, 2009 08:46 PM         

At least, not for everything they do.

..that you disagree with.

Please just try seeing what is there.

I'm more Uranian than Neptunian;
for me, this is volunteer work,
of the sort my creator intended me for.

And, as I see it, this work,
which I am already profoundly engaged in,
is no less valuable than your suggestions.

But feel free to voice your views,
even as they concern me, personally.
As they mostly do.

Make this thread as personal as
you possibly can, by all means.

Continue to focus attention on me,
or whatever you delight in imagining
my sh!tty motives and skeletons are.

posted August 16, 2009 03:19 AM         

What I don't understand is the need for people to have more than one dwelling - the situation where you have empty houses with no-one living in them. Agents for this, agents for that, all the hangers-on, people wanting a piece of you constantly. The richer people get, the more complicated life becomes. That's not true freedom.

posted August 16, 2009 07:18 AM         

i also agree strongly with T when she find the strength to battle with valus whose wit can disarm even an opponent with good intentions towards him; i cant Be bothered to cut and paste all her good points on page 6/7 there is one answer T made to a question asked by valus which made absolutely perfect sense to me; essentially, T said that one can only do what is in one's power; this powerful point shows that
a)wealth is not in itself negative, it can eventually be very positive
b)good, considerate, enlightened people can live poor, alone on their mountain top, but they could also choose to be in the world, surrounded by wealth, and use it appropriately, for the good of all; they would not get the recognition of the masses for whom spiritual wisdoom means a life of deprivation, they would be suffering preconceived ideas while knowing that in they heart, they genuinely feel for society at large and each indivual part of it; they would be spiritual instead of being perceived spiritual. But then they would be sure that their objective for the general welfare will be reached.