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Topic: Quotes On Forgiveness
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Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 04:30 PM
  
“Whoever opts for revenge should dig two graves.” Chinese proverbIP: Logged |
charmainec
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From: Venus next to Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 04:31 PM
"Anger. It's a peculiar yet predictable emotion. It begins as a drop of water. An irritant. A frustration. Nothing big, just an aggravation. Someone gets your parking place. Someone pulls in front of you on the freeway. A waitress is slow and you are in a hurry. The toast burns. Drops of water. Drip. Drip. Drip. Drip. Yet, enough of these seemingly innocent drops of anger and before long you've got a bucket full of rage. Walking revenge. Blind bitterness. Unharnessed hatred. We trust no one and bare our teeth at anyone who gets near. We become walking time bombs that, given just the right tension and fear, could explode.Now, is that any way to live? What good has hatred ever brought? What hope has anger ever created? What problems have ever been resolved by revenge?" 18 - Max Lucado
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Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 04:31 PM
“People ask me what advice I have for a married couple struggling in their relationship. I always answer: pray and forgive. And to young people from violent homes, I say: pray and forgive. And again, even to the single mother with no family support: pray and forgive.” Mother TeresaIP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 04:33 PM
“If you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.” (Matthew 5.23-24)IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 04:34 PM
“Who takes vengeance or bears a grudge acts like one who, having cut one hand while handling a knife, avenges himself by stabbing the other hand.” (Judaism-Jerusalem Talmud, Nedarim 9.4)IP: Logged |
charmainec
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posted January 19, 2011 04:36 PM
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charmainec
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posted January 19, 2011 04:37 PM
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charmainec
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posted January 19, 2011 04:39 PM
Hatred ceases by not-hatred—by forgiveness, which is very beautiful, and is sweeter and more effective than revenge. It is the beginning of love, of that divine love that does not seek its own; and he who practices it, who perfects himself in it, comes at last to realize that blessed state wherein the torments of pride and vanity and hatred and retaliation are forever dispelled, and goodwill and peace are unchanging and unlimited. In that state of calm, silent bliss, even forgiveness passes away, and is no longer needed, for he who has reached it sees no evil to resent but only ignorance and delusion on which to have compassion, and forgiveness is only needed so long as there is any tendency to resent, retaliate, and take offence. Equal love towards all is the perfect law, the perfect state in which all lesser states find their completion. Forgiveness is one of the doorways in the faultless temple of Love Divine. —James Allen, Byways of Blessedness IP: Logged |
SunChild
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From: Australia
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posted January 19, 2011 04:53 PM
Awesome thread to find 9am...Thanks for the soul nourishment this morning  ------------------
“It’s an interesting thing. Seeing Kuan Yin relating to a flower so intently. She's not just looking at it; she's interacting with it…I’m seeing how the act of relating to a flower appears to be so simple. Yet, it takes a tremendous amount of courage to make such a “simple” act important. Now, the lotus is floating away.” IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 04:56 PM
It's 9 am there? Whew! Glad the world doesn't end today. We scraped by another day.  ------------------
"Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at all." Harriet Van Horne IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted January 19, 2011 05:54 PM
since this thread was my suggestion..erhem! i would like to reply briefly to randall's question on the previous, closed thread in which he accused me of animosity....and my final words are.. Ya'll didn't win was not my statement, nor is it anything to do with forgiveness. i merely noted that despite lots of quotes about forgiveness it appears that someone is still feeling like someone tried to harm them. not the case but "forgiveness is easy when you realize that there is NOTHING to forgive." - katatonic forgiveness is about understanding. my thread was an attempt to bring some understanding into a confusing situation. there was no animosity in it, randall. sorry if you felt attacked. as i already said, there is nothing TO forgive.
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Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 06:51 PM
I didn't say I felt attacked. Not at all. Your last post seemed to reflect some animosity, and I merely asked why. If I was mistaken, I apologize. You did ask that your string be closed, and I accomodated your request, so let's keep this string, my string, on topic, shall we?------------------
"Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at all." Harriet Van Horne IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 07:01 PM
And as to Charm's retort, that's her opinion, and neither you, nor anyone, can tell another person how that person feels; nor should you attempt to do so. Who are you to say who feels wronged or not--or who should decide to forgive someone or not? That would be quite a grandiose presumption, don't you think? Now, if you wish me to re-open your string, so that you can debate, that's fine, and if you have a forgiveness quote to post on mine, that's great, but please do not lower the energy of my string with judgment and negativity. Once again, these are general quotes on forgiveness, which relate to no particular circumstance...and I started this string to respect your request that yours be closed. So, if there is no animosity, as you state, then don't divert my string in a different direction from its intent, and feel free to peacefully contribute if you so desire.  ------------------
"Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at all." Harriet Van Horne IP: Logged |
Starshine
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From: Libra Sun / Gem ASC / Aqua Moon
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 19, 2011 07:46 PM
Hello there! Here's one that I like: quote:
Forgiveness is not a moral issue. It is an energy dynamic. When most people forgive they do not want those that they forgave, to forget that they forgave and forgot. This kind of forgiveness manipulates the person who is forgiven. It is not forgiveness. It is a means of acquiring external power over another.Forgiveness means that you do not carry the baggage of an experience. When you choose not to forgive, the experience that you do not forgive sticks with you. When you choose not to forgive, it is like agreeing to wear dark, gruesome sunglasses that distort everything, and it is you who are forced every day to look at life through those contaminated lenses because you have chosen to keep them. from The Seat of the Soul, by Gary Zukav
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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll (Formerly known as Hexxie) IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 09:36 PM
That's a great quote, Star. Love your signature!IP: Logged |
charmainec
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From: Venus next to Randall
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 19, 2011 11:13 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
And as to Charm's retort, that's her opinion, and neither you, nor anyone, can tell another person how that person feels; nor should you attempt to do so. Who are you to say who feels wronged or not--or who should decide to forgive someone or not? That would be quite a grandiose presumption, don't you think? Now, if you wish me to re-open your string, so that you can debate, that's fine, and if you have a forgiveness quote to post on mine, that's great, but please do not lower the energy of my string with judgment and negativity. Once again, these are general quotes on forgiveness, which relate to no particular circumstance...and I started this string to respect your request that yours be closed. So, if there is no animosity, as you state, then don't divert my string in a different direction from its intent, and feel free to peacefully contribute if you so desire.
 That's all,thanks. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 19, 2011 11:40 PM
"Perhaps we have been guilty of speaking against someone and have not realized how it may have hurt them. Then when someone speaks against us, we suddenly realize how deeply such words hurt, and we become sensitive to what we have done." Theodore Epp
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charmainec
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posted January 20, 2011 12:38 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Randall:
"Perhaps we have been guilty of speaking against someone and have not realized how it may have hurt them. Then when someone speaks against us, we suddenly realize how deeply such words hurt, and we become sensitive to what we have done." Theodore Epp
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katatonic
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posted January 20, 2011 08:15 AM
forgiveness is easy when you realize that there is NOTHING to forgive." - katatonicsheesh i never suggested anyone should feel anything. i merely observed that the actual statement didn't jibe with scads of quotes preceding it suggesting Forgiveness. AND i added one of my own to your thread. however i objected to you calling that observation animosity. i don't waste my time on that. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 20, 2011 09:17 AM
No, actually you said that "someone feels like someone tried to harm them which is not the case." Then you commented that there is nothing to forgive. If you don't know the facts involved with a person, you should refrain from making a judgment, and even if you "think" you know the facts, you still have no right to tell another human being how or what to feel. You can't determine if any forgiveness is needed between other parties. To make such an assumption is playing God. Yes, we have seen your quote--twice, in fact. Post some more quotes.------------------
"Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at all." Harriet Van Horne IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted January 20, 2011 11:13 AM
yes let's stay on topic like you did on my thread,'k? and by all means, mods should carry on reopening closed threads to have the last word before closing them again.don't worry, i won't bother you anymore. obviously you are determined to see me as overstepping my bounds. how dare i express an opinion? IP: Logged |
Starshine
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From: Libra Sun / Gem ASC / Aqua Moon
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 20, 2011 12:25 PM
Hi Randall, thanks! You probably don't remember (but I do!) that you complimented me on my sig years ago when I was Hexxie. I even had a lil caterpillar and Alice pic that Zala gave me... Anyhoo, here's another quote that I received yesterday from Mike Dooley's TUT's. I get them emailed to me every day. quote:
There's always, and only, one sure way to bridge the gap, heal the wound, mend the fence, and otherwise reach those who seem unreachable.Thought. Send them your finest,
The Universe
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`Who are you?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.'
~Lewis Carroll (Formerly known as Hexxie) IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted January 20, 2011 12:45 PM
Nope, I don't recall that. Another great quote, though! ------------------
"Cooking is like love. It should be entered into with abandon or not at all." Harriet Van Horne IP: Logged |
charmainec
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 21, 2011 06:31 AM
Kat, Randall did give you the option of having your thread reopened if you wanted to debate.I did not bother replying here with my own thoughts on the matter as I was respecting his request that we stick to the subject of the thread..so sorry Randall.I want to reply to Kat.You did assume and make judgements when you stated that someone has a bone stuck in their throat blah blah blah (which clearly was directed at me). You are the only one that took offence to what I said and making an issue of it.Naturally that would make one wonder WHY.
Do not presume to know of what I speak and I have no desire to waste anymore energy on this anymore either. If however you do have a personal grievance with me then let me know but don't nit pick on my words. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted January 21, 2011 12:49 PM
charm i have no grievance with you. but what you said showed you have a grievance with whoever you meant by "y'all". it doesn't take personal private info to understand when someone sticks their tongue out either visibly or verbally. i merely remarked that after pages of quotes on forgiveness - which really had nothing to do with my thread but basically spammed it - it struck an incongruent note. an unforgiving one. end of story. the fact that you and randall have made an issue of it doesn't make it any more than an observance on my part. if you reopened my thread to discuss this then closing it immediately afterwards makes NO sense at all. i put this baby down - but if you want to keep bringing it up go right ahead. IP: Logged |
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