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Topic: Self-Moderation
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8760
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 21, 2011 02:44 PM
  
Anyone who acts with decorum can stay at LL.If they don't ,they get banned.
That way ,the MANY can be safe.
What is so hard to understand about that,AG?------------------
In this world,you will have tribulation but do not fear I have overcome the world.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5197
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 02:45 PM
I know already. Saying that doesn't progress the conversation.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8760
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 21, 2011 02:46 PM
The people left cuz they could not abide with the decorum needed.
THEY kicked themselves out.
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted April 21, 2011 02:47 PM
Well, we can agree to disagree,AG.
I appreciate you as a person,AG.------------------
In this world,you will have tribulation but do not fear I have overcome the world.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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AcousticGod
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posted April 21, 2011 02:48 PM
Nothing is hard for me to understand, Ami. Everyone is safe. No one is inside the computer taking abuse. They're reading a screen voluntarily.I've seen a lack of decorum from all sectors at this site from the top to the bottom. No, the people that left voluntarily didn't leave because they couldn't manage decorum. They left due to a major, unfair power play by one individual. Big difference. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8760
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 21, 2011 02:55 PM
Well, AG
I don't think we will resolve this difference between us.
I am bonded to people who have been good to me and you are one.
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In this world,you will have tribulation but do not fear I have overcome the world.
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AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5197
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 02:56 PM
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 03:12 PM
In summation, anyone who wants to enjoy this community must agree to the rules upon signing up, and they must respect and honor those rules if they wish to stay, or at least abide by them even if they don't like them. They are not difficult to follow. Just show others respect. Violations will not mean a banning (it usually takes a few warnings first), but total disregard for the rules shows that the person does not value the site, so as T said herself, it's "no biggie." All of this is just wasted effort, because she doesn't even care enough to want to stay. T was warned to not insult people, and instead of taking it in stride as others would have, she did it again and then posted a goodbye string for the umpteenth time. Even Valus understood a warning and heeded it. So, like I said, this is all for naught. This is not a self-moderated site, and anyone who thinks it is should know by now that it is not. Insults can garner a warning, but simply stating that you are not going to restrain yourself in any way and that you are going to say and do as you please, well, that isn't going to fly here. And that goes for everyone, popularity notwithstanding. And I love how people bring up terms like rights and dictatorship, when, in fact, by law, there are no rights on a discussion board. Freedom of speech only applies to the government. I make the rights a part of Lindaland in practice, because those are what I believe in and want represented on the site. I believe freedom of expression is paramount. I also believe in protected speech here, especially unpopular speech. But there can be no true "violations" of rights on a discussion board. I don't see why people can't just be nice to each other and abide by simple decorum. Those who cannot abide or who repeatedly disrupt or who just flatly refuse to follow simple dictates of politeness, then those persons do not belong here. I'm sure there are places on the Net where there are no rules. Lindaland is not such a place, although our rules are very few. This is all I really have to say on the matter. I think it is much wasted time on my part to even debate the matter over a person who doesn't care enough about Lindaland to even care either way, as she has clearly stated. But by all means, y'all can continue the discussion.  ------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted April 21, 2011 03:35 PM
Well, a hostile environment would make a person not want to stay. Defending one person's right to say something controversial whilst reprimanding another for a rather harmless insult is kind of questionable. quote:
All of this is just wasted effort, because she doesn't even care enough to want to stay.
She doesn't want to stay under the threat of having her liberty taken, yes. This is where I think you misunderstand. You take people being cavalier at their word. If she didn't want to be here, she wouldn't have been posting in the first place. You put it on her as you've done with others, when, if you understood, you'd act like you do when people wish to be deregistered. You tell those people to just stop posting, right? That's what she'd do if didn't want to be here, and if there was no threat of banning to bring that statement out of her. You try to make it one-sided instead of understanding your role. quote:
And I love how people bring up terms like rights and dictatorship, when, in fact, by law, there are no rights on a discussion board. Freedom of speech only applies to the government. I make the rights a part of Lindaland in practice, because those are what I believe in and want represented on the site. I believe freedom of expression is paramount. I also believe in protected speech here, especially unpopular speech. But there can be no true "violations" of rights on a discussion board.
I applaud your finally acknowledging what the forum is. I didn't speak of rights. The site is the site, and if you value free expression, even unpopular free expression, then that leeway should probably be extended. Coffee can insult single mothers en masse, but T can't call him a piece of sh!t for it. I would say one's easily far more offensive than the other. Catch my drift? I personally saw a lot more people take exception to him than to her. He was insulting what those women do, she was insulting what one person writes. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 21, 2011 03:49 PM
question? why is it all right for coffee to say that PS and T are evil, but not for T to use the phrase "piece of **** "? i do understand the difference between "name calling" and "opinion" but basically he was calling them names and no one stopped him? or did i miss something in that very long thread? and why has one of the longest standing members here been calling people names simply for expressing their opinions for the last what - 9 years? but that is called free speech..? IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 03:56 PM
Wrong again, AG. Coffee was speaking in general terms (though unpopular), and what T said was specifically directed at him. She also threatened him. Big difference. And more leeway is allowed at GU, as I already stated, Kat, and as you are fully aware of since you participate here in GU. But that's not the issue. I politely admonished her (no threats of banning and even no use of the word "warning"--until she did it again), and it was her statement that she was going to say as she pleases that is the issue. Once you state that you are not going to abide by the decorum of a site, you pretty much are leaving. Her continued posting was just to defiantly show that she could. She did say she was done and not coming back. Did you not see her post that? Even after her fun last night, she told Betty Boop she wasn't coming back. ------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 03:58 PM
The key is "personal" insults, AG. Can you not understand the difference? Piece of Sh*t is a direct insult of the person that has nothing to do with what he wrote. But as I said, anyone who does not respect the rules here and flatly refuses to abide by them should probably find a place on the Net that is a better fit for them. This is a Spiritual site, after all. ------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 1700
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 04:05 PM
AG, Ive pondered what you said. quote:
That adage works for self-moderation, though. I mean, that adage is self-moderation at its core.
It isn`t computing . I was referencing Valus when I said it. He had no self discipline (admitted it many times) and was running his rope out and was handed more . When he saw he was hanging him self, he passed the buck to Randall. Because he couldn`t rein it in with self moderation, he left it to another to moderate.
Of course banning because he didn`t have the self moderation to walk away and stay away. BTW, this is not bashing Valus at all. I`m following the example in Valus already given..
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
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posted April 21, 2011 04:06 PM
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Randall
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posted April 21, 2011 04:16 PM
Good point, Juni. Many people do not have the discipline to leave and stay away. T is a perfect example. She has left many times. Some ask to be de-registered for this reason. But if someone is going to very defiantly disregard the rules, then that is an insult to the Mods who enforce them, an insult to those who are respectful of others and follow the rules and come here to learn and to share and to exchange ideas, and it is an insult to Linda (whom the site honors). Is it an insult to me? Perhaps. I don't take it that way, though. People insult me all the time. I don't take it personally. T thought her popularity made her above the law. Hey, it is what it is. Maybe anarchy is her ideal structure. Good for her. But it's not mine. And it's not the structure of Lindaland. Politeness and the Golden Rule is the main platform here. Society has rules. There is no true complete freedom if one is part of society--or part of a community. ------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted April 21, 2011 04:33 PM
Not "wrong again." You have to make some headway into my having been wrong a first time for me to be wrong again. quote:
Coffee was speaking in general terms (though unpopular), and what T said was specifically directed at him.
I said as much in my post. It is more offensive to speak controversially of a huge group than a single person, right? You said you've banned people for saying racist things. That's an insult to an entire group. quote:
Even after her fun last night, she told Betty Boop she wasn't coming back.
Yes, of course I saw that. quote:
I politely admonished her (no threats of banning and even no use of the word "warning"--until she did it again), and it was her statement that she was going to say as she pleases that is the issue. Once you state that you are not going to abide by the decorum of a site, you pretty much are leaving. Her continued posting was just to defiantly show that she could.
Your recounting of what you said left a bit out wouldn't you say? There was a good amount of goading on your part, which you seem to excuse yourself of. There always is in cases like this. You enjoy talking tough to people, and get mad when they give it back to you. You forgive yourself your own defiant voice, but not other people. quote:
The key is "personal" insults, AG. Can you not understand the difference?
Already addressed this above. quote:
Piece of Sh*t is a direct insult of the person that has nothing to do with what he wrote.
She only knows him via what he wrote. Therefore it has everything to do with what he wrote. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8760
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 21, 2011 04:37 PM
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Your recounting of what you said left a bit out wouldn't you say? There was a good amount of goading on your part, which you seem to excuse yourself of. There always is in cases like this. You enjoy talking tough to people, and get mad when they give it back to you. You forgive yourself your own defiant voice, but not other people.
Goading,AG??
I don't understand you.
I really and truly don't as much as I try to wrap my brain around it.
Randall keeps it safe for the MANY not a playground of mayhem for the FEW.
I ,honestly,cant see where you are coming from ,AG.
Perhaps,it is your heart and your feelings and not your head.
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In this world,you will have tribulation but do not fear I have overcome the world.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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pire
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posted April 21, 2011 04:46 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Goading,AG??
I don't understand you.
I really and truly don't as much as I try to wrap my brain around it.
Randall keeps it safe for the MANY not a playground of mayhem for the FEW.
I ,honestly,cant see where you are coming from ,AG.
Perhaps,it is your heart and your feelings and not your head.
ami, your leo mc shows. this topic is not about you but you impose yourself all along, even speaking on behalf of randall. me me me... please let other breathe. you are suffocating me. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5197
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 04:50 PM
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When he saw he was hanging him self, he passed the buck to Randall. Because he couldn`t rein it in with self moderation, he left it to another to moderate.
I don't think that's the way it happened. It was a thread here in GU where he and AD were once again going at it, and of course only Valus got spoken to about it, and --like T-- decided to take that power away from Randall by making it a moot point. I think we've seen, and will likely continue to see that trend continue. I think that's basic psychology, and it's tied up in the personality Randall projects. If it was someone who was more above reproach it could be different. While I'm on my soapbox I might as well point out that banning is an overreaction in general. For those that think the idea of punishment by banning is in some way frightening, it's almost like any infraction dispatches people out to kill all your family and friends. Like, "Oh wow, I just J-walked, and here my family's getting killed." It's a weird premise for punishment. Fortunately, most people here have a life outside of here, so it's more puzzling than anything to deal with the thought of being banned. Like, "Who would do this? I speak my mind, and the only possible recourse that can be conceived is banishment?" Kind of sadistic. There's not a compelling reason to give a sadist any pleasure. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8760
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 21, 2011 04:51 PM
It is NOT about ME,Pire. I can give MY insight as you can and anyone else can.
I am sorry you feel that way,Pire,but you are 100% wrong,imo.
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In this world,you will have tribulation but do not fear I have overcome the world.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
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posted April 21, 2011 04:52 PM
Nope, no goading at all. I was very polite. Maybe you should actually read the string begfore putting your foot in your mouth, AGster. ------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8760
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 21, 2011 04:53 PM
AG
When I did that thread about Christians and non violence,you said that a Christian should not fight back,no matter what.
If I understood you right,you thought that if I were out with a Christian guy and I got attacked ,he should not fight for me.
I don't understand this ,either,just as I don't understand how you can call Randall goading .
I just don't get you,AG,I suppose.------------------
In this world,you will have tribulation but do not fear I have overcome the world.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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juniperb
Moderator Posts: 1700
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 04:55 PM
Would my theory have a working premise tho?
(I wasn`t privy to the valus specifics so I can`t say about it) I ,believe it or not, see both sides here and I am not being intentally hard headed. Just differing views and experiences.
I appreciate the time and energy you all have put into this thread  ------------------
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AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5197
From: Pleasanton, CA
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posted April 21, 2011 05:02 PM
I did read the thread, Randall. I haven't put my foot in my mouth. Your goading is right there. You don't think talking about her leaving 300 times, or talking about how you were talking about her on Facebook was in any way goading? I find that fascinating, AND indefensible as a position.Ami, my position on Christianity and tolerance for violence is right there in the Bible. It doesn't take much to understand Jesus on the issue. IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 1700
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 05:04 PM
Before other issues cloud the thread, I will let you gentlemen discuss it further. ..... ------------------
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