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Topic: Self-Moderation
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 05:06 PM
  
What I said was stern but polite. Here are my words verbatim:There's a big difference between expressing one's opinion and just spreading negativity. PS, you and T crossed that line. Kindly refrain from hurling personal insults, please. ------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5197
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 05:07 PM
In general Juni, I think the sentiment is exactly correct in virtually ALL instances, so, yeah, it's a good theory. As far as this debate, I guess it could work for either side. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5197
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 05:08 PM
Like I said, Randall, you said more than that.IP: Logged |
pire
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posted April 21, 2011 05:08 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It is NOT about ME,Pire. I can give MY insight as you can and anyone else can.
I am sorry you feel that way,Pire,but you are 100% wrong,imo.
it is not about you but you keep talking to AG in the name of randal who didn't even acknowledge you, and for the record, you are goading AG in my opinion. you giving your insight and me giving mine is what is supposed to be allowed indeed, so what is your point by saying this platitude? or may be it is not a platitude and you wish it was different. don't say you are sorry when you don't mean it. what are you sorry about? you are not sorry. simply don't say you are when you are not. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 05:12 PM
Oh, you're talking about AFTER she threw my polite admonishment in my face? And Facebook is used simply to keep the drama off Lindaland. I told MM she could read the details on Facebook. I did not goad her and say that "Ooohhh, we are talking about you on Facebook." PS was actually the one who first brought up Facebook. The 300 times was a bit exaggerated--I do concede that. My bad. Anyway, what is your thesis, AG? What do you hope to achieve with this self-moderation nonsense, besides wasting my time? ------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
pire
Knowflake Posts: 1797
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posted April 21, 2011 05:12 PM
if we don't all get banned, political correctness will kill us all. (I say this because I am really against both) ps: forgive my french.  ps2:against banning except for trolls(I mean people who pretend to be someone that they are not, but I don't mean people who stir up chaos from time to time.)  IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 05:23 PM
Normally, once a reminder is issued, people refrain from the behavior. A direct warning isn't even needed. But the person in question thought (perhaps since she was leaving anyway) that she could just say and do as she pleased. Some may, in certain contexts, find that honorable. But it sets a bad example here. It makes a mockery of the Agreement upon sign-up, and I simply cannot allow it. And comparing an opinion of mothers (which is his right to hold such an opinion, even if widely unpopular) to racism is such a stretch that it's almost befuddling to see mentioned. Mothers are not a protected class. Discrimination laws do not include mothers. I can understand women taking offense to it and projecting it to themselves personally, and the things that he said were very distasteful to say the least, but to equate it to racism is ludicrous. Making a racist comment here is a sure-fire way to be banned...and probably without a single warning. ------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 05:34 PM
Ami has a right to voice her opinion here just like anyone else...just like Kat, Pire, or Juni. Bottom line, as if I need to say it again, everyone here for the most part adheres to our Forum decorum. If someone thinks that decorum does not apply to them, then they do not belong here. Period. It applies to us all. Yes, even to the Mods. Yes, even to myself, which is why I had to swallow my pride and apologize in the past. Attempts to defend the point-of-view mentioned above is simply amusing to me, because it is fundamentally indefensible. You all agreed to follow said rules upon signing up. To affirm a revokation of said rules revokes one's posting privileges. It's just as simple as that. You can't do and say anything you please here--not if it falls in one of the categories mentioned in the Agreement--and if you think you can, allow me to prove you wrong. ------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5197
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 05:38 PM
You must have no conception of how you come off. That's the only possible way you can't understand that your Facebook comment was goading. I know that you've personally taken issue with people talking about you away from LL, so surely you must understand how that would look to T.I would say that this speaks to the greater issue, which is the belief that Randall's not a good guy. Why wouldn't people think Randall's a good guy? Because Randall doesn't present himself like a good guy. I do see some care given to crafting certain posts, but a lot of posts are rather cavalier, and I suppose you don't know how they seem to others. quote:
What do you hope to achieve with this self-moderation nonsense, besides wasting my time?
I wouldn't dream of wasting anyone's time. Then again, everyone has control of where they give their attention, don't they? Aside from self-moderation, the point is for you to learn. People hate it when I criticize, but a lot people find it helpful in the end. And though no one would admit such a thing I make people better, more responsible. Now your subconscious can mull what I've said in a myriad of ways, and serve your own desires better. Your brain could start to understand self-moderation, or concoct more reasons for why you should disregard it. Your brain can assess whether you're really taking responsibility in the departure of the site's best people. Your brain can assess and understand when you're provoking people. quote:
And comparing an opinion of mothers (which is his right to hold such an opinion, even if widely unpopular) to racism is such a stretch that it's almost befuddling to see mentioned.
It's not befuddling at all. A group of people is a group of people, right? Nowhere does "protected classes" even factor in. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 05:47 PM
Ah...I see...well, I will take your advice in and mull it over, AG. Thank you for your help.------------------
"All deaths are suicides, do you realize that? Every single one. The only distinction is that, with some people, suicide is a subconscious choice, and with others it's a conscious choice. Otherwise, those who commit suicide and those who succumb to accident, illness or "old age," die for exactly the same reason: belief in the inevitability of death." Linda Goodman IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly
Knowflake Posts: 2267
From: Gaia
Registered: Apr 2010
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posted April 21, 2011 07:54 PM
Wow...It's the LL Goaty Extravaganzanal Debate for the 21st century  Don't worry, I'm not stepping in the ring, I'm making the refreshments...suits my Taurus Moon better. (no poking intended of goats, just a little levity) IP: Logged |
juniperb
Moderator Posts: 1700
From: Blue Star Kachina
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 07:58 PM
Are Goat ascendents invited?------------------
~The Earth Laughs In Flowers~
... Emerson IP: Logged |
AbsintheDragonfly
Knowflake Posts: 2267
From: Gaia
Registered: Apr 2010
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posted April 21, 2011 08:03 PM
Om yes  IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 08:12 PM
I went to an Indian restaurant, and the sheer audacity...they served goat! What an atrocity!IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 7739
From: The Goober Galaxy
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 09:05 PM
You have a Cappy ASC, Juni? No wonder I jibe with you.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
Knowflake Posts: 5197
From: Pleasanton, CA
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 21, 2011 09:14 PM
...and a Virgo Moon like T and I.IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Moderator Posts: 4158
From: Mars
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted April 22, 2011 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by katatonic:
question? why is it all right for coffee to say that PS and T are evil, but not for T to use the phrase "piece of **** "? i do understand the difference between "name calling" and "opinion" but basically he was calling them names and no one stopped him? or did i miss something in that very long thread? and why has one of the longest standing members here been calling people names simply for expressing their opinions for the last what - 9 years? but that is called free speech..?
Although my feelings were not hurt, I did resent that he was able to get away with that. General comments or not (as Randall said they were), I found that to be offensive. I am not evil. I am disliked and hard to deal with, sometimes cranky, and argumentative. There's a difference. IP: Logged |
Rogue Guru
Knowflake Posts: 137
From: Pleasantville, State of Euphoria, USA
Registered: Jan 2011
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posted April 22, 2011 02:43 AM
Randall, I don't know where you live, but I would appreciate you telling me so I don't ever accidentally cross the border. Assaulted by the sound of a voice? Whaaaaat ever. Laws like that are the epitome of totalitarian governance, and completely unconstitutional to boot. What would those Founding Fathers have to say?DISCLAIMER: You may mentally add the words "In my opinion..." to the beginning of every sentence I'm about to write, because it's certainly implied. That makes whatever I say perfectly legal anywhere in the United States, as far as I know. :P This thread is a bigger waste of time than an M. Night Shyamalan film. AcousticWhatever, you are white noise. (Sorry, I just can't bring myself to type it. "Guru" could be construed as 'cheeky', but there's no way of getting around the inflated ego implicit in "God".) Just static. People need to learn to change the channel on you quicker; they'd have more time for more fulfilling pursuits. And Randall. Still holdin' out hope for you, man. Don't let me down. "Show me the decency!!!" -- Guru Macguire IP: Logged |
Rogue Guru
Knowflake Posts: 137
From: Pleasantville, State of Euphoria, USA
Registered: Jan 2011
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posted April 22, 2011 02:50 AM
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It's the LL Goaty Extravaganzanal Debate for the 21st century
AD, that is just my kind of humor. I definitely LOL'd! quote:
I went to an Indian restaurant, and the sheer audacity...they served goat! What an atrocity!
Got a good laugh out of that one, too! IP: Logged |
Node
Knowflake Posts: 1222
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 22, 2011 03:05 AM
I usually don't add a "thumbs" (up or down) to certain threads- like the cheerleader.Here comes the~ but  AG
Pire
Kat ------------------
"In a ten-year time frame, an enormous amount of carbon dioxide will go into the atmosphere and I think by mid -century some of our great cities may be underwater unless we put dikes around them" -Michio Kaku IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Moderator Posts: 4158
From: Mars
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted April 22, 2011 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by Node:
I usually don't add a "thumbs" (up or down) to certain threads- like the cheerleader.Here comes the~ but AG
Pire
Kat
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abcd efg
Knowflake Posts: 237
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Registered: Mar 2011
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posted April 22, 2011 07:46 AM
Adults, i believe, should learn to behave themselves. If we expect to have freedom of speech then it should be freedom and not licence. Besides, administration cannot sway. It has to take a stand. So if a particular stand is taken once it has to be taken time and again for the same situation. If you let go once for serious bifurcations from the rules then it has to be repeated. You can't say 'OK Let it go' once and then come down like a hammer later for the same situation. So then the admin has to keep letting it go. In that case there will be chaos. Besides this site is a respectful one or supposed to be so. Basically, for exchange of knowledge and info on various topics touching and in connection with Linda Goodman. Its a shock and pity to read all this nonsense on such a site. I hope greater sense prevails.
[PS (i.e. post script): Nothing personal. I know nobody here. Just a Lindagoodman reader and person interested in exchange of gr8 ideas that flow from all of us). So i hope we don't drag it down to the level of any ordinary blog. With love, IP: Logged |
Quinnie
Moderator Posts: 1070
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posted April 22, 2011 07:59 AM
Edited
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8760
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 22, 2011 08:34 AM
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Originally posted by pire:
ami, your leo mc shows. this topic is not about you but you impose yourself all along, even speaking on behalf of randall. me me me... please let other breathe. you are suffocating me.
Pire
Guess where 90% of my Progressed planets are? Leo ------------------
In this world,you will have tribulation but do not fear I have overcome the world.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Moderator Posts: 4158
From: Mars
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted April 22, 2011 10:25 AM
Just a suggestion, but if people make a basically respectful post to begin with, MOST of the time people will not start flaming each other...However... there are exceptions... Like my post about Marijuana and about Death Predictions in Astrology... IP: Logged |
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