posted May 08, 2011 02:23 PM            

"We have exorcised some of our fear and guilt by killing one Osama bin Laden, the face of hostile, vengeful Islam, but he died for our sins as much as for his own"

posted May 08, 2011 04:01 PM            

An eye for an eye. Tooth for a tooth.

posted May 09, 2011 05:23 AM            

Lets say the genuine Osama was killed, he would have got what his actions determined for him. He financed the deaths of others, and hence had to pay the price.

But what was the national karma that led to 9-11 though in the very first place? Irrespective of whether it was a sophisticated PsyOp or not to bring down the Towers, the terrorist hijackers were very much genuine and in the end, more than 3000 innocents lost their life. How were they able to pull this off?

Can ending the karmic causes of 9-11 put an end to any future terrorist attacks and lead to centuries of peace and prosperity for all?

posted May 09, 2011 10:50 AM            

It smacks of O'Bomber's preacher, the Marxist reverrrrend Wright's remarks..."America's chickens have come home to roost".

There is something utterly malicious in these kinds of remarks. Surely, no enlightened Angels of Light there.

UP YOURS!

Equally egregious are batshiiiit crazy remarks attempting to settle the mantle of the Messiah, a Savior, a Redeemer around the shoulders of Osama bin Laden.

"Osama Died For Our Sins"

"We have exorcised some of our fear and guilt by killing one Osama bin Laden, the face of hostile, vengeful Islam, but he died for our sins as much as for his own"

bin Laden was a psychopathic deliberate murderer of the innocent. It matters not a Continental damn if in his twisted mind, he was doing the work of his god. In fact, in the twisted minds and souls of Islamic terrorists, those unwilling to convert to Islam are fit only to be killed or..if they have sufficient money or property, once conquered, they can pay tribute and live as 3rd, 4th, or 5th class citizens.

posted May 09, 2011 11:51 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by iQ:
Hi PS,
Cause and Effect is a double edged sword, though it is very much valid.

Lets say the genuine Osama was killed, he would have got what his actions determined for him. He financed the deaths of others, and hence had to pay the price.

But what was the national karma that led to 9-11 though in the very first place? Irrespective of whether it was a sophisticated PsyOp or not to bring down the Towers, the terrorist hijackers were very much genuine and in the end, more than 3000 innocents lost their life. How were they able to pull this off?

Can ending the karmic causes of 9-11 put an end to any future terrorist attacks and lead to centuries of peace and prosperity for all?

These are the core questions for the Metaphysicians.

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posted May 09, 2011 11:55 AM            

People who feel passivity (is the right thing) in the face of terrorist attacks are horribly mistaken...

posted May 09, 2011 12:43 PM            

I also walked away with a different impression of what projection and mirroring mean.

The article was fairly comprehensive, covering many years of events that co-mingled.

Quinnie seems to be on the same page as I--the article's page that is.

I agree that iq is further down the path of enlightenment than many of us....and I only speak of myself.

posted May 09, 2011 01:09 PM            

Author Topic: Osama bin Laden is a Democrat
jwhop
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I haven't read it JW--still wiping the tears from my eyes....
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Anyone have a reliable birth time for OBL??

posted May 09, 2011 01:54 PM            

Since you didn't see fit to reproduce the main thrusts of the article, I'll help you out and do it for you.

Saturday, Oct. 30, 2004 9:51 a.m. EDT
Bin Laden Adopts Democrat Talking Points

• Dem Talking Point No. 1:
BUSH STOLE THE 2000 ELECTION
In bin Laden's version, President George H. W. Bush began planning to steal the 2000 election years in advance:

"He was bright in putting his sons as governors in states and he didn't forget to transfer his experience from rulers of our region to Florida to falsify elections to benefit from it in critical times."

• Dem Talking Point No. 2:
BUSH MISLED AMERICA

In bin Laden's version, the terror kingpin warns that Bush is covering-up the "true reason" for the 9/11 attacks.

"Although we are ushering the fourth year after 9/11, Bush is still exercising confusion and misleading you and not telling you the true reason. Therefore, the motivations are still there for what happened to be repeated."

• Dem Talking Point No. 3:
BUSH WASTED TIME ON 9/11 READING TO CHILDREN

Bin Laden distorts the 9/11 timeline to pretend that the Twin Towers weren't already under attack as Bush read a book to a Florida elementary school class:

"We never knew that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his people in the two towers to face those events by themselves when they were in the most urgent need of their leader. He was more interested in listening to the child's story about the goat rather than worry about what was happening to the towers. So, we had three times the time necessary to accomplish the events."

• Dem Talking Point No. 4:
BUSH IS A FACIST

A favorite of radical Democrats, bin Laden compares the Bush administration to the authoritarian regimes in the Mideast.

"What happened was that he was impressed by the monarchies and the military regimes, and he was jealous of them staying in power for tens of years, embezzling the public money without any accountability. And he moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the disguise of fighting terrorism. And Bush, the father, found it good to install his children as governors and leaders."

• Dem Talking Point No. 5:
BUSH FAMILY TOO CLOSE TO SAUDI ROYALS

Bin Laden complains that their relationship spans two generations:

"The resemblance started when [former President George H.W.] Bush, the father, visited the area, when some of our own were impressed by America and were hoping that the visits would affect and influence our countries."

• Dem Talking Point No. 6:
AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY IS TO BLAME

Here bin Laden adopts the position of the Cynthia McKinney wing of the Democratic Party, which blames the alliance between the U.S. and Israel for provoking the 9/11 attacks:

"After the injustice was so much and we saw transgressions and the coalition between Americans and the Israelis against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it occurred to my mind that we deal with the towers. And these special events that directly and personally affected me go back to 1982 and what happened when America gave permission for Israel to invade Lebanon. And assistance was given by the American sixth fleet."

There you go Node. No need to thank me. The virtue of truth is it's own reward.

posted May 09, 2011 02:20 PM            

There is something utterly malicious in these kinds of remarks. Surely, no enlightened Angels of Light there.

UP YOURS!"

You know what Jwhop...Up yours Too!

Who the hell do you think you are...!! I did not F****** say that America deserves it not imply it ok! How dare you...We are coming from a different perspective..DEAL WITH IT!
Stop inflicting an US and THEM attitude...
I am not anti-American but I am entitled to my opinion...Like attracts like...There is room for karmic and metaphysical perspective. Stop taking it so personally.

READ the F***ing article!!! The author was implying simply that we are projecting all our hate and fear into one person...and you know what...it doesn't cut it....

He died for the sins of the father would probably be a more PC way of phrasing it.

Let me write something further controversial since you are so opposed to anything that I write...

If Osama had been captured and arrested...he would most likely considered himself to be a POW...

Do you know how many POW's walk the streets of the UK right now?

Killing innocent people is NEVER the right thing to do...but you HAVE to understand the other perspective because passivity, democracy and action go hand in hand...there is time and place for it all...

posted May 09, 2011 03:54 PM            

So, I wasn't in the least surprised to see you drool over the article by Judith Gayle which pronounced America guilty, America complicit in the 9/11 attacks.

Further, it was clear an "Osama was created by the United States" statement was being made.

What was surprising however was an attempt to equate Osama bin Laden with the Messiah...who had to die for OUR sins.

So Quinnie, does that mean all American sins have been expiated? Do all Americans now go straight to heaven...without converting to Islam?

Save your outrage. Whenever articles are posted from heads up their a$$es writers like Judith Gayle, blaming America for the 9/11 attacks, there's going to be blow back.

bin Laden got exactly what he deserved. He died for his own actions. He was no Messiah, no Savior, no Redeemer.

posted May 09, 2011 04:14 PM            

Jwhop...it is an analogy of how society creates a monster......I am not surprised that you have chosen to read the article from a rigid biased perspective.

Once again I am not anti-american...I am anti-war...there is a difference..... and I am keen to ensure both sides of the same argument are heard.

The fact is Jwhop...you don't know me and I would appreciate it if you kept the personal insults out of it because you quite frankly you are showing your age...what with the socialist paranoia you exhibit and the propaganda campaign you have set up against your own president...Yet you have the audacity to accuse people of being anti this or that...left or right...Fact is Osama was a Pisces....and that is truly symbolic considering the astrological age we are in. Your assumptions are boring and dated.

"So Quinnie, does that mean all American sins have been expiated? Do all Americans now go straight to heaven...without converting to Islam?"

Once again...AN ANALOGY...
A projection of fear and hate being focussed towards one individual.
When the threat that one appears to be is relative...considering how threatening the presidents and prime ministers of the world appear to others......what it means....not saviour but scapegoat.

Yes he deserved it...I already posted that...and furthermore I apologise for my first post because although I was aware that the article can be viewed from alternative perspectives...I was merely highlight an astrological element to the article.

"Front and center on the American agenda should be a bullet in the head of every terrorist."

posted May 09, 2011 05:46 PM            

an eye for an eye, a death for a death, soon we will all be blind and dead. who will be happy with THAT result?

posted May 09, 2011 06:32 PM            

I know Bin Laden is a hot topic and everyone has a view but lets remember, we`re all in this global pot together.

posted May 10, 2011 05:56 AM            

No religion and no nation is superior in the Infinite Wisdom of God. Christians, Hindus, Jews and Muslims all have a birthright to heaven or higher dimensions or a better next life, depending on their free will philosophy and the gift they ask from God.

America has been existing for millions of years, the land mass is verily sacred. Home to the Native Americans for thousands and thousands of years. Whatever be the individual good deeds, over millenia, the Land Mass itself has to answer for the collective karmic debts: Both Thoughts and Deeds.

The Native American individual did not deserve the conquest of European Settlers but a collective Karma was played out.

The individual martyrs in any terrorist attack are Light Workers, they sacrificed to play out the modern American nation's Collective Karma: Maintaining wicked Arab Dictators and turning a blind eye to Israeli excesses just for the sake of Corpoprate Oil Profits.

Had the American Collective been 100% free of any debt, the 9-11 attack would have miraculously failed. That is the Law of Karma. Actually in your perverted hatred you forget to see God's miracle of saving more than 40000 Americans had the attack occurred around 10 AM and had the towers collapsed within 15 minutes.

When your hate laced Consciousness can appreciate God more for this miracle, you will definitely be on the right path.

Osama the individual may have got his just desserts, but there is huge collective karma still to be accounted by the Arab Nations as they repressed their own.

Every Nation has to go through this process.

Pakistan is undergoing this right now. It is a make or break for them. More Pakistani Lives have been lost to terrorism than 9-11 victims. Actually more innocent Americans have perished from natural disasters since 1990, all part of the Collective Karmic debts. The Feds keep the information neatly wrapped up to avoid lawsuits against incompetent relief agencies.

Smart Nations pay off their debts through careful humanitarian work, and do not attract more debt by interference in other Nations. Switzerland has suffered some of the least National Karma in spite of hoarding
ill gotten gains, this is because of careful application of Karmic Laws by their leadership. They can avert karmic events for some more years this way but someday, every debt has to be repaid.

And there are some nations like Japan who take a karmic hit for the sake of the whole Planet.

@PS:
"People who feel passivity (is the right thing) in the face of terrorist attacks are horribly mistaken..."
Actively defend, true, but know that each and every "collateral damage" will be a karmic debt to be repaid. Each and every thought of compassion that did not go out to the survivors of the "collateral damage", that is also a debt. Each and every dollar of humanitarian relief not paid to innocent victims of drone attacks: Another karmic debt to the National Collective.
Not compensating those who were innocent and were wrongfully tortured in Gitmo or Abu Ghraib: More karmic debts to the Nation as a whole.

Countries like India are still suffering karmic punishments for vices like untouchability done to native Indians 3000 years ago.

posted May 10, 2011 12:08 PM            

But, since you are determined to attack the United States and citizens of the United States using what you call a principle of Karma; let me remind you that America and Americans are the most generous givers to those in need in other nations. Measurable and documented; not only are America and Americans the most generous givers to those in need in the present but in all of human history.

Now IQ, when I read your misconceptions, I am reminded not of Karma but of the old axiom.."No good deed ever goes unpunished".

While there are many "Little Miss Muffets, sitting on their Tuffets", tuned into "As the World Turns", popping chocolates and chanting, I'm anti-war while Saddam or some other maniacal dictator is systematically starving, torturing and murdering his own citizens, I thank God there are men and women who say and said, "Away with Saddam" and are moved to action.

If there was a karmic exchange, then surely it inured to the benefit of those who set free 50,000,000 oppressed peoples in Iraq and Afghanistan...not to mention the citizens of Kuwait.

We have discussed here, the lie that the US and Britain caused the death of 1,000,000 Iraqi children through the auspices of the UN and it's a lie and utter trash. But, there are the uninformed who still spout and spew the drivel to fortify their specious anti-America arguments.

The cure for ignorance is knowledge.

It was Saddam who, for a period of about 2 years refused to sign on to the UN "Oil for Food" program. It was Saddam who, afterward bribed high UN officials and took the Oil for Food money and built palaces across Iraq. It was Saddam who bribed high UN officials to approve food and medicine suppliers who furnished out of date/expired medicines and inedible food bound for Iraq under the "program". And, it was the UN which skimmed 1.5% of all the billions in Iraq's oil money right off the top.

It was Saddam who let his chlorine production plants run down and become inoperative. And, it was Saddam who never called in the manufacturer or any servicing company to get them back up and running.

It was Saddam who was totally responsible for Iraqi children...and other Iraqi citizens drinking polluted and unsafe water from Iraqi rivers.

Two last things.

It takes more than saying...I'm not anti-America or anti-American to make it true. The truth of the matter is found in comments which have an anti-America and/or anti-American slant which are made at virtually every opportunity.

As for those who attempt to settle the mantle of "moral superiority" on themselves by declaring..."I'm anti-war"; here's a hot flash for them.

There's nothing more immoral than watching other human brothers and sisters being crushed under the heel of a brutal murderer and torturer...while standing by and enjoying the luxury and freedoms of their own existence...and doing "nothing"...except chant..."I'm anti-war".

That's bad enough, but they went much further. While men and women who were willing to risk their lives and physical wellbeing and were doing so, these morally superior..."I'm anti-war" types organized and attempted to prevent the removal of one of the most brutal, murderous, torturing dictators on earth.

posted May 10, 2011 06:19 PM            

Neither am I in the least impressed with those who are so lacking in compassion that they rail against taking down some of the most brutal murderous dictators on earth. Rail, because they're..."anti-war".

For all the anti-war crowd cared Saddam would yet be in power in Iraq...and in fact, they attempted to leave the people of Iraq and Afghanistan to the tender mercies of Saddam and the Taliban.

It's not as if the "morally superior" anti-war crowd didn't know all about Saddam...and the Taliban's bloody rule. They just didn't give a rat's ass and wouldn't lift a finger to help.

Instead, what they did was give support to Saddam by railing against those who are more compassionate, more moral and more spiritual than they.

I might have overlooked their lack of compassion for their fellow humans...had the anti-war crowd not actively attempted to keep Saddam in power to continue his murders, rapes, torture and oppression.

That.."I'm anti-war" saying has a very hollow ring for me and it comes with too high a cost for those who are in dire need of help.

posted May 10, 2011 06:28 PM            

while i feel putting bin laden on trial COULD have yielded some very interesting information i doubt he would have cooperated much. he CLAIMED to be the mastermind of 9/11 and more. in a court of law a confession nullifies the need for trial by jury.

while there are plenty of arguments against, this deed was done with a minimum of fuss and "mess", the job was done and the bogey man is laid to rest. in 7 years of bombing the daylights out of other innocents' homes,(yes jwhop along with a bunch of bad guys) we never came close to cutting off the head of the snake.

while i understand that every terrorist is someone's hero, quinnie is in a better position than most to judge the results of constant fighting in the name of "justice". it ain't pretty. and it was irish women like herself who really made that point. what good is winning when all that's left is ashes?

posted May 10, 2011 06:33 PM            

Fair enough, I do appreciate where you are coming from.
I hold great admiration and respect for ANYONE who fights for their country.
First and foremost, personally, I am an advocate of dialogue, but I do understand the need for action and defence, don't we need both, and shouldn't there be boundaries made and the distinction between defence and terrorism? Multi-cultural understanding and appreciation for the traditions of other countries, even if they deeply conflict with our own?