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Topic: Prime Minister Netanyahu Tells O'Bomber, NO WE WON'T
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katatonic
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posted May 24, 2011 12:06 PM
  
so spake solomon. jwhop your capacity for seeing only your side of the door is nothing short of amazing.ami we are just voicing our opinions here...including you. 'sall good. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2011 12:38 PM
Well ,if Israel did not have WASP's and other Gentiles who loved her ,she would be gone by now ------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2011 12:45 PM
Speaking of that, Arnold Fructenbaum a professor of Greek,Hebrew and Biblical Studies gave a lecture entitled "How to get rid of the Jew"
It was packed .
"When the moon and stars pass away,then you will be rid of the Jew"  ------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs
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jwhop
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posted May 24, 2011 03:54 PM
Bibi gave a speech before the combined Houses of Congress today.
Even the demoscats were on their feet applauding..repeatedly..and...he said basically what he told O'Bomber in the White House. No pre-67 borders No Palestinian return within the borders of Israel No negotiating with the terrorists of Hamas He said some other things too. Chief among them was that the civilized world should shun nations and peoples who resort to or preach genocide...and not permit them seats in any of the civilized councils of the world. Those would include Hamas, Hezbollah and the Iranian regime. That too got a standing Ovation. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2011 06:15 PM
That is very cool Jwhop. Bibi is the right man for the job.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2011 06:38 PM
I don't think it is all good Kat.I think it is very sad .
You and others like you will not change when faced with the truth so I wash my hands clean of it  ------------------
"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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katatonic
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posted May 24, 2011 07:22 PM
ami you will not get me to argue with you, sorry! you can say what you like it is still YOUR opinion. to which you are entitled as i am mine. and feel free to deliberately misunderstand me too, by all means!
people like me ...that would be people born to parents from BOTH jewish and christian upbringings who foresaw in the late forties that israel would still be the center of tensions even now. people who did not believe that God was the real reason for any of the wars fought in his name.but hey, if you don't think being able to express our opinions is a good thing, you're entitled to that opinion too! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 24, 2011 08:12 PM
Kat , I don't argue.I state my opinion and go on.You confuse yourself . I don't have the patience for it.
I will ignore all of your future comments.
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"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs
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jwhop
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posted May 25, 2011 09:00 AM
May 24, 2011
Why Did the Congress Love Bibi?
Richard BaehrAs Jennifer Rubin has laid out in her Washington Post blog entry, Bibi Netanyahu delivered a near perfect speech to the joint session of Congress today, capping a remarkable six days in which the U.S Israel relationship has been center stage. "Bibi Netanyahu did several critical things: demonstrated that he and members of Congress from both parties are entirely in sync; refocused the world on Iran; publicly stated he would give up land considered by Jews to be part of their historic homeland; left no doubt that the Palestinians' refusal to recognize a Jewish state is the sole reason there is no Palestinian state; and implicitly made a mockery of President Obama's fixation on settlements. I will take each in order. "The genuine expression of warmth and respect, but more important, agreement from Congress was undeniable." But there is one point to add to her summary: the Congress heard today from a foreign leader who loves America and appreciates the warmth, generosity, and support his embattled country has received throughout its history from our country. America has poured billions into Pakistan, a country which sheltered Osama Bin Laden for years, and billions more to the Palestinian Authority, where our money is helping pay salaries of terrorists in Israeli prisons and Hamas members. Our President has made a habit of apologizing to the Muslim world and African countries for America's misdeeds. It was refreshing then, for the leader of Israel to say thank you over and over today, and to applaud this country for its exceptionalism and greatness. We know what Barack Obama thinks of American exceptionalism: "I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism." Full text of the speech here.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/93438/Full-Text-Of-Speech-By-PM-Netanyahu-To-A-Joint-Meeting-Of-The-U.S.-Congress.html Video of Prime Ministter Netanyahu's speech can be seen in four parts, via YouTube: Part One
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNnHArM2P9s&feature=related Part Two
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLpYQZOn8KM&feature=related Part Three
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56RPPmgqqro&feature=related
Part Four
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JP_reb0ZUAk&feature=related
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katatonic
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posted May 25, 2011 01:03 PM
on msnbc this morning...also from netanyahu and an interesting afterthought about how ISRAELIS see the situation... In an interview with NBC’s Andrea Mitchell yesterday, Israeli PM Netanyahu said, “I think [Obama] shares with me, and I share with him, the desire to move the peace process forward. And I said in Congress that there's one way to move this thing forward. President Abbas of the Palestinian Authority has to do what I did two years ago. Two years ago, I spoke to my people and I said I will accept a Palestinian state. I think President Abbas has to say these same six words to his people.” The full transcript of Mitchell’s Netanyahu interview will be posted on First Read’s Web site later this morning. But here’s an additional thing to chew on: The Israeli news organization Ma’ariv features poll showing that 57% of the Israeli public thinks PM Netanyahu should have said he supported Obama's peace initiative. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 25, 2011 04:43 PM
Israeli's are so tired of war and strife and hatred and continual sorrow that they would sell themselves for the perceived gold at the end of the rainbow.
It will not be gold.It will be annihilation ------------------
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katatonic
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posted May 25, 2011 05:33 PM
or maybe they actually KNOW what is going on, being in the thick of it. those are things well worth being sick of, aren't they? especially when the prospect of them being ENDLESS is very much in evidence? why is a peaceful solution a sell-out?spent much time in israel, ami? or belfast? maybe quinnie can fill you in on how much worse it is now than when she was a child... IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 25, 2011 05:52 PM
The problem ,Kat ,is that it is a spiritual problem that will NOT be solved by physical,natural means.
Two Spirits are warring . The Spirit of Anti-Christ is warring against the Spirit of God.
Every man must choose. After death,there is no choice. Now is the time to choose or NOT.
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"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs
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katatonic
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posted May 25, 2011 09:52 PM
well i agree with you that it is a spiritual choice. the choice to live side by side with those who do not agree with or necessarily "like" you can be nothing else. coming to agreement and SHARING a piece of land is not the choice of cowards but of spiritual warriors.but if you mean choosing SIDES, i have to disagree. that will not bring a solution. using bombs, missiles and guns is NOT the spiritual choice, therefore i think those israelis who want a PEACEFUL solution are MAKING a spiritual choice, not just one of fatigue. i feel it is those that insist on vengeance and obliteration of the"other side" who lose sight of that. also that continuous war makes EVERYONE the loser. ever seen a short animated film called "the hat"? it features two characters, guards on either side of the "iron curtain"... depicted by a barbed wire fence, which is true enough to reality...having to face the fact that despite the fence they are both HUMAN... someone needs to step in and call a halt somehow. this is not a war that will be won with bullets. the creation of israel was always going to create tension, and has always done so...all i'm saying. i wish i had the answer but i am not going to pretend i do. both sides are SURE they are right, and no amount of believing they are wrong is going to change that. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 25, 2011 10:05 PM
The Arabs want to obliterate Israel. That is the desire.That is the plan.
We may not like it as Americans or think it is real but it is .
Israel cannot be driven in to the sea,now, can they?------------------
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katatonic
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posted May 25, 2011 11:08 PM
when, amy, apart from in the bible, did the JEWISH FAITH have a homeland? how many israelis over 50 are REALLY from that part of the world? can you not just for one minute try to UNDERSTAND WHY the arabs might consider israel a TRESPASSER? because unless you can do that little mental trick there is no WAY you will ever see a solution.i don't care if "God" promised them that land. they didn't take him up on it did they? and today's JEWS are NOT SYNONYMOUS with ISRAEL! MOST jews still, by preference, live elsewhere. i am not backing the arabs. i am just saying, this is a MANMADE PREFAB country which was put there either without sufficient thought to the consequences (what we are seeing now!) or with the PURPOSE of creating those consequences. i am not blaming the israelis, most of whom are innocents caught in the middle just like MOST arabs. when you say THE ARABS you display a frightening disregard for the fact that they are a hugely varied GROUP OF PEOPLES and not of one mind or temperament or purpose. IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 25, 2011 11:08 PM
i realize that just waving a wand and telling everyone to go home is not going to clean the bad blood there. but neither is the continual slaughter of both sides going to clean anything up at all.like i said, i don't have the answer. personally i would rather see every last israeli re-emigrate to where his parents came from and reabsorb into society as a whole than continue to pour human life, resources and energy into a seemingly unsolvable situation. we are spending plenty on all sides, for instance, that would be better spent at home where people are also divided and hurting. because, after all, judaism is a religion, not a nationality. that is why there are jews all over the world and israel does not equate with "the jews". which is why, when jwhop says we don't have the right to decide other peoples' borders, he is ignoring the fact that we DID decide other peoples' borders (we and others) when we created israel in the middle of arab country! IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted May 25, 2011 11:11 PM
if you go to a party because you know one person there and everyone else throws their drinks at you (or whatever) is it the SPIRITUAL thing to stay and resist their animosity? obviously they are not spiritually superior to you, you have every right to be there. but would you stay? if so, WHY? would the "superior man" as the i ching calls him, stand his ground and try to force a hundred jerks to accept him, or would he take himself somewhere where he was appreciated or at least not the bone of contention?IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted May 25, 2011 11:23 PM
I think Bibi is just being "nice". It's obvious he and O'Bomber are not on the same page when it comes to the particulars of a peace agreement with the Palestinians.Some key points in Bibi's speech to Congress: "Courageous Arab protesters, are now struggling to secure these very same rights for their peoples, for their societies. We're proud that over one million Arab citizens of Israel have been enjoying these rights for decades. Of the 300 million Arabs in the Middle East and North Africa, only Israel’s Arab citizens enjoy real democratic rights. I want you to stop for a second and think about that. Of those 300 million Arabs, less than one-half of one-percent are truly free, and they're all citizens of Israel." "My friends, this must come to an end. President Abbas must do what I have done. I stood before my people, and I told you it wasn’t easy for me, and I said - "I will accept a Palestinian state". It is time for President Abbas to stand before his people and say - "I will accept a Jewish state". "So I say to President Abbas: Tear up your pact with Hamas, Sit down and negotiate! Make peace with the Jewish state! And if you do, I promise you this. Israel will not be the last country to welcome a Palestinian state as a new member of the United Nations. It will be the first to do so." IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 26, 2011 02:08 AM
It is so hopeless to try to explain to these people.HOW do you do it Jwhop? I give up  ------------------
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katatonic
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posted May 26, 2011 03:30 AM
"these people"? please explain, miz ami. sounds very self righteous from here. i'm sure you don't mean it that way!do you mean "these people" who think the bible has been used to justify all manner of stances and actions? conflicting ones at that? or "these people" who don't agree with you that jews, among all the religions in the world, deserve their own homeland, because hitler scapegoated them? right now muslims are being scapegoated in many countries in similar ways. where will we put THEM? you know, the french, english, danish muslims? do they belong in muslimland? from what i have heard the democratic rights in israel don't extend very far to dissidents. i haven't really researched it, so i guess i will have to. just something i've picked up on here and there. the fact remains that israel was artificially created by the powers that took up the helm after WWII and not just to make it up to the poor homeless jews. it serves as a political foothold for us and our allies in the land of oil! about two generations ago this state was "poofed" into existence and is STILL not recognized as homeland by MOST of the worlds' jews. netanyahu says two different things and jwhop just discounts one as "being nice". the other, which sounds more obama-unfriendly, MUST be his true thoughts. so maybe "these people" are just anyone who thinks this might be a little more complex than black and white? or who don't take the bible literally? or is it those who try to understand from an UNpredetermined position what is really going on and what can be done about it? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 26, 2011 09:11 AM
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i'm sure you don't mean it that way!
I do 
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Nightingale
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posted May 26, 2011 09:15 AM
So, IQ, you think Britain is the recipient of some bad karma for its role in helping establish Israel? And Germany too. Presumably Italy for being allied with Germany, but what about France which is near 10% Muslim? What did they do?Karma surely must be finely tuned, as well as (if at all) collective. It was the (corrupt) elites of those countries who have done all misdeeds, and it is the elites who are also allowing mass immigration into Europe. So where's the karmic justice in that? IP: Logged |
Nightingale
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posted May 26, 2011 09:24 AM
I'm interested in this idea of karma. People who try and make things better often end up furthering evil because they aren't sufficiently aware of the world around them.I suppose they get karmic payback too. I see your point IQ about some Americans rallying round a cause they think is 'good' or patriotic, but has a huge human cost - elsewhere, it must have bad karma that. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted May 26, 2011 12:23 PM
Kat---Jordan is the Palestinian homeland GIVEN to them when Israel was given to the Jews--at the SAME time.
Please,listen. I tell you guys what happened and you act like I have Herpes  Britan divided up land it owned in to a Jewish state--Israel and a Palestian state--Jordan. THEN THE ARABS WANTED TO TAKE THE JEWISH STATE
Capiche????
Lord help me.You guys would frustrate a saint.
Don't bother arguing ##$@ with me any more,Kat.
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"Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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