posted May 21, 2011 11:14 AM            

NO, Israel will not negotiate with a Hamas government devoted to the destruction of Israel.

Further, Netanyahu told O'Bomber it remains for someone to tell the so called Palestinians the reality of the situation.

May 21, 2011
Bibi lets Obama have it - diplomatically speaking
Rick Moran

And The One was stewing. You could almost see the steam coming out of those Dumbo ears of his when Prime Minister Netanyahu turned the tables on the president and began to lecture HIM. From ABC News:

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seemed to think he needed to educate President Obama on some issues today, so in the Oval Office he described in some detail to the president a history of the refugee problem in the region dating back 63 years, as well as his view on the need for Israel to be able to defend itself in the context of thousands of years of Jewish suffering.
"We don't have a lot of margin for error," Netanyahu said to the president. "Because, Mr. President, history will not give the Jewish people another chance."

Netanyahu, whose father is a retired academic, offered the president repeated history lessons, saying Jews have "been around for almost 4,000 years. We have experienced struggle and suffering like no other people. We've gone through expulsions and pogroms and massacres and the murder of millions. But I can say that even at the dearth of -- even at the nadir of the valley of death, we never lost hope and we never lost our dream of reestablishing a sovereign state in our ancient homeland, the land of Israel."

Netanyahu said that "while Israel is prepared to make generous compromises for peace, it cannot go back to the 1967 lines, because these lines are indefensible, because they don't take into account certain changes that have taken place on the ground, demographic changes that have taken place over the last 44 years."

In 1967, Netanyahu said, "Israel was all of 9 miles wide -- half the width of the Washington Beltway... So we can't go back to those indefensible lines, and we're going to have to have a long-term military presence along the Jordan."

The topper came when Bibi told the president, "Hamas has just attacked you, Mr. President, and the United States for ridding the world of bin Laden. So Israel obviously cannot be asked to negotiate with a government that is backed by the Palestinian version of al-Qaida."

posted May 21, 2011 01:08 PM            

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posted May 21, 2011 06:31 PM            

I watched the media event of Bibi seemingly lecturing O'Bomber on the realities of Israeli/Palestinian issues.

I was stuck by the comparison between a statesman..Bibi and the rabble rouser..O'Bomber.

I must say...because I've said it before...the Israelis are much more patient with the so called Palestinians and Israel's Arab neighbors than I.

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posted May 23, 2011 05:19 AM            

By this time, there wouldn't be a Palestinian in the West Bank or Gaza"

How? Would you be planning on given them all US Passports and a safe passage to Florida?

Or would you be planning some innovative solutions to get rid of more than a million human beings?

Why should the Palestinians not feel the same way if by some freakish event decades from now, they get enough power to do in mainland America what you and your ilk wish upon them today?

posted May 23, 2011 08:39 AM            

"Likewise any outside nation plotting ill and hatred on the descendants of Abraham is certain to attract curses from the Patriarch."

If I were you, I'd be a lot more concerned about these ancient words of wisdom than something the partiach Abraham "Didn't Say".

Genesis 12
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:

2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

4 So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.

5 And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

6 And Abram passed through the land unto the place of Sichem, unto the plain of Moreh. And the Canaanite was then in the land.

7 And the LORD appeared unto Abram, and said, Unto thy seed will I give this land: and there builded he an altar unto the LORD, who appeared unto him.

Just so you know:

"Canaan is an ancient term for a region approximating present-day Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, plus adjoining coastal lands and parts of Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan."

"By this time, there wouldn't be a Palestinian in the West Bank or Gaza"

So IQ, when you were talking about people "of MY ilk", who did you think you were talking about?

posted May 23, 2011 09:45 AM            

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posted May 23, 2011 12:48 PM            

Honestly, the jews should have been allowed to go back to their homes post wwii wherever they were drug from by the germans. And germany should have been the ones to pay for it, repirations and all that jazz.

The problem with Israel, is that there were already people LIVING there, when it was given to the jews. And quite honestly, what Israel the gov't is currently doing, and treating the average palestinian, how is this different then the german ghettos?

I do not mean terrorists people.

posted May 23, 2011 01:37 PM            

Amanda
I told the true story of this in the thread,above.
I am not gonna do it ,again.
*I* am responsible for telling the truth.
I have no responsibility over what anyone does with it.
One day ,you will answer to the Divine Glitcher of threads

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posted May 23, 2011 06:26 PM            

maybe because we are ALL the chosen people? and maybe we should therefore get off our superiority complexes and accept each other as such?

amanda is right. there were people living there and israel was plonked right down on top of them. how was this EVER not going to be a matter for conflict?

and how will the question of whose it is ever be solved? maybe it is time to try to live side by side and stop excluding everyone who looks/sounds/acts DIFFERENT.

posted May 23, 2011 06:33 PM            

Stated Obama: "The recent announcement of an agreement between Fatah and Hamas raises profound and legitimate questions for Israel: How can one negotiate with a party that has shown itself unwilling to recognize your right to exist?

"And in the weeks and months to come, Palestinian leaders will have to provide a credible answer to that question. Meanwhile, the United States, our Quartet partners, and the Arab states will need to continue every effort to get beyond the current impasse."

Read more: Obama: Hamas attack = Israeli self defense http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=300837#ixzz1NDXd10E9

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posted May 24, 2011 06:51 AM            

The Law of Karma will teach every one rationality in a few more incarnations. It does not spare you nor will it spare me if I err and deprive another human being of his Human Right.

Palestinians are human beings and have equal human rights, exactly the same rights as you and your family have in USA or Netanyahu and his family have in the modern day state of Israel. If born in Gaza, they will live, earn and someday prosper in Gaza only.

@Absinthe, excellent points. Israel has been established now, the European politicians who expelled the innocent Jews thought they got relief as the expelled Jews found a new homeland but look at the fitting response by the Law of Karma.

They sent out one seed of Abraham, but the Patriarch's other seed is dominating the population growth.

As per the Law of 7 fold return mentioned in many scriptures, 7 times more Muslims will ultimately exist in Europe than the number of Jews killed or expelled.

If I am bluffing, there should be less than 1% Muslims in Europe. Look again. It is hitting 10% in some countries.

And since the Neocons wish ill on the one million Palestinians in Gaza, and laugh at their plight, the Law of Karma will have the last laugh.

7 million Palestinians might prosper in United States a few decades from now, and could prove to be far more loyal to the US Flag. Jews were expelled in 1940s and Muslims took 60-70 years to establish in Europe. So around 2060-2070 you will see this prediction come true as well.

And there will be peace in the Middle East as well once the Palestinian public boots out the useless Hamas type hate ideologies and the corrupt.

Hamas too is changing, many there have identified the real enemy: Wahabbism exported from Saudi Arabia. Causing mayhem in Pakistan today and planning for more mayhem in the Freeworld. And who is the closest ally of the Neocons? Israel? Nope.
The Saudi Arabian Monarchy [and their billions of stolen dollars]

Reminder:
15/19 Hijackers involved in 9-11 are Wahabbi Fundamentalists from Saudi Arabia.

posted May 24, 2011 07:02 AM            

only bored people or angry folks will get excited by something like that.

posted May 24, 2011 08:20 AM            

And, while the ancient nation of Israel were to welcome strangers, foreigners and sojourners in their nation and treat them well, those strangers, foreigners and sojourners who were pleased to dwell in Israel were to do so IN PEACE and were to observe the laws of Israel.

That in no way describes the so called Palestinians.

Who said anything about "getting rid" of 1 million people? Oh, right, you did.

Let Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon absorb their brothers and sisters...just as Israel absorbed about the same number of Jews who were forcibly expelled from Arab nations with nothing but the clothes on their backs when in 1948 Israel became a nation....again.

There will be no right of return
There will be no pre-67 borders
There will be no negotiations with Hamas

posted May 24, 2011 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by pire:
"""Just so no one gets excited that they are gonna get in a fight with me"""

only bored people or angry folks will get excited by something like that.

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There are ENOUGH of them , Darlink

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posted May 24, 2011 08:54 AM            

As I noted on Judge Jeanine Pirro’s show this weekend, I reject President Obama’s idea that Israel must cede back its territories to the 1967 line. Will we now be in the habit of telling our allies what their borders should be?

Should Prime Minister Netanyahu suggest we return to our 1845 borders before the annexation of the southwest of the United States during the Mexican-American War? Should we give back parts of Texas, New Mexico, and California?

But the problem is even deeper. In both his State Department speech and his speech yesterday at AIPAC, President Obama made some seemingly specific comments about the Palestinian state that he wants to see created. He either misspoke or he has even more dangerous plans for our friends in Israel than he is publicly admitting.

In the State Department speech, President Obama said that he wants the borders of Palestine and Israel to “be based on the 1967 lines” (in other words, with both the West Bank and the Gaza Strip as part of the new Palestinian state) and that he wants a Palestine that is a “sovereign and contiguous state” (emphasis added).

The Merriam–Webster dictionary defines “contiguous” as “being in actual contact: touching along a boundary or at a point; of angles, adjacent; next or near in time or sequence; touching or connected throughout in an unbroken sequence,” like the “contiguous United States” which obviously excludes Alaska and Hawaii.

But the 1967 lines do not include a “contiguous” Palestine. (See the map here.)
http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_18102533?source=commented

So what does he mean? The President proposes “mutually agreed [land] swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.” Is linking Gaza and the West Bank with a road the “secured border” he has in mind? Or is he suggesting something more? Is it not possible he’s suggesting that the only way you can create a “contiguous” Palestinian state with “secured” borders is by carving Israel in half? Clarification on this point is of paramount importance, Mr. President.

In fact, that leads me to another even bigger geographic problem with the President’s remarks. As the British newspaper The Independent points out, there is further confusion because President Obama said, “The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine.” As The Independent asks: “How does that square with the pre-1967 borders? Was the President implying that the new improved Israel will border neither Jordan nor Egypt, as it does now? Would Palestine’s contiguous territory come at the expense of Israel’s? Would Israel get the Gaza Strip and the Mediterranean and Palestine get the Negev and a Red Sea port?”

Is that what you have in mind, Mr. President? Do you not want an Israeli border with Egypt? You need to clarify what you mean. Diplomacy requires precision and you are causing enormous anxiety for some and making commitments to others that you might not be able to keep.

It has long been the dream of radicals like Noam Chomsky to create a “contiguous Palestine.” True, President George W. Bush spoke ambiguously of a “contiguous” Palestinian state, but he never defined it geographically with borders the way President Obama has, and he had the security of our ally Israel in mind more than our current President. President Obama has in essence boxed Israel in without regard for the facts on the ground and without appreciating the fact that Israel looks across the negotiating table and sees the terrorist organization Hamas in alliance with Fatah. Israel has demonstrated in the past that it is willing to negotiate fairly with a genuine partner in peace. Just look at the treaty it maintains to this day with Egypt.

All of this should have been considered and the President’s words should have been carefully measured so as to help and not hinder the peace process. Unfortunately, his words have caused confusion and distressed our ally.

posted May 24, 2011 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:

Let Jordan, Egypt, Syria and Lebanon absorb their brothers and sisters...just as Israel absorbed about the same number of Jews who were forcibly expelled from Arab nations with nothing but the clothes on their backs when in 1948 Israel became a nation....again.

There will be no right of return
There will be no pre-67 borders
There will be no negotiations with Hamas

One last thing. I don't give a rat's ass what the Palestinians believe...or what you believe. But, the Palestinians should believe what is written in what they refer to as "The Book" and they should believe that Israelis are "People of The Book" and act accordingly.

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wow.. you should be proud of yourselves.

Really.. i applaud you, and i thought close-mindedness was an Arab issue, it seems i was wrong..

tell you what, grab your rat's ass down to the middle east and take matters into your own hands since you seem so sure of yourself and so damn competent

hah.. how can we ever have peace with people like you saying the things that you do

there are empty houses were Jews used to live, no one claimed their houses, no one made them leave, they were sucked in by the new state. and nothing compares to the hatred exercised on the arabs of middle east by your state, nothing.

Palestinians have the right to come back, they have the right to claim a land which was theirs to begin with,

you know i voted -for- the de-arming of Hezbollah.. man was I an idiot. it seems violence is the only language you can communicate with.

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posted May 24, 2011 09:35 AM            

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So what does he mean? The President proposes “mutually agreed [land] swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states.” Is linking Gaza and the West Bank with a road the “secured border” he has in mind? Or is he suggesting something more? Is it not possible he’s suggesting that the only way you can create a “contiguous” Palestinian state with “secured” borders is by carving Israel in half? Clarification on this point is of paramount importance, Mr. President.

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posted May 24, 2011 11:55 AM            

Neither proud or ashamed. It is what it is.

Btw, I'm not a Jew, not an Israeli, don't live in Israel but the so called Palestinians cleared my head of the last bit of patience I might have had for them long ago.

I'm a white, Anglo Saxon, Protestent...male...a WASP.

Perhaps the next time an Arab army attacks Israel, Israel should keep the land they win in the war and use that to create the new so called Palestinian state...with a 12-15 mile buffer zone between Israel and the so called Palestinians....instead of giving the land back to the malefactors.

Jewish houses sitting vacant in all those Arab states from which they were expelled...after 60 years??? Don't make me laugh.