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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 04:33 PM The Old Testament was a book about the Jewish people,basically. I said before the Jews are not "better" ,they were made as a group from one man Abram who was a Gentile. God just made him a Jew lol He changed his name to Abraham and he was the Father of the Jews( and the Arabs too) So, God created a man to be the first Jew and the Father of the Jews. God did it for His PURPOSE. God did not do it to make one group of people who were favored or "chosen" over others. God did it to go forward with God's plan for history. God's plan is what matters and all that matters. The Jews were given a "job" to do, a purpose in the unfolding of mankind and of history. That is what "chosen" means--- they were a group given a job . That is really it --in a bare bones definition of the word "chosen" ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 04:36 PM There is a joke among Jews ."Chosen--- Let somebody ELSE be I am gonna have to write this little by little cuz I will have to gather my thoughts. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 04:41 PM Your question was "Was Jesus way the Jewish way?" Yes and No--as I said. Yes, from God's perspective.No, from man's First of all , the Old and New Testaments are ONE book. They are unified. They are one whole. They are the story of time from the very beginning to the end. They are the story of Creation to the End of the world as we know it. Nothing ever ,ever ,ever contradicts itself in all of the thousands of pages. Nothing in any page of the Bible goes against anything written in any other page. It was written by dozens of authors and ALL hangs together. It has the Divine imprint of God.Otherwise ,it could never happen. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 04:42 PM It foretells the future in MINUTE detail. It tells things that will happen thousands of years before it happens down to the exact day and exact city. This is the Divine imprint. No other book ever in all time can claim this. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 04:47 PM quote: Originally posted by katatonic: that's fine. but jesus' way was not the same as the jewish way was it? and did he not say "let he amongst you who has not sinned cast the first stone?" and point out to those who stuck rigidly to the LETTER OF THE LAW that mary magdalene had more faith than they? OK Was Jesus way the same as the Jewish way? YES to those Jews who followed God. No, to those Jews who did not. As far as Mary Magdalene and her faith vs following the letter of the Law. Yes, there were strict Jewish sects such as the Pharisees whom Jesus condemned. They were the ONLY people he condemned He called them white washed tombs that were clean on the outside but filthy on the inside. He "hated" these types of people more than anyone--hypocrites. You are right in this part of it, Kat ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 04:49 PM HOWEVER, where you are missing it is that ALL the rest of the God -following people IN the New Testament were Jews,too. This is the crucial point the Church forgets/overlooks. All of the players in the Old Testament from Moses, David, the Pharisees, Saducees, etc were Jews. Many people take the story of the Pharisees to hate Jews. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 04:51 PM So, in the OT, there are many ,many prophecies of the Jewish Messiah to come--many specific ones such as naming the city of Jesus birth a thousand years before it happened. That is part of the Divine imprint. How else could it be named? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 04:54 PM Why did the Jews NOT know Jesus was their Messiah? Two reasons. One was that there were two kinds of prophecies foretelling the Messiah. One was of a spiritual Deliver. The other was of a political Deliverer . The Jews mixed up the prophecies for several reasons. One was that blindness,in part,came to the Jews SO that the Gentiles could come in. In the OT days, the one true God was ONLY for the Jews. Jesus came ONLY to the Jews when he was on the earth. That is what the story of the Gentile woman saying that even the "dogs" are thrown crumbs from the masters table. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 04:57 PM HOWEVER, the Jews were blinded ,in part, so that the Gentiles could come in. Also, they were "punished" for disobedience. You have to look at it ALL from God's Point of view ,though, not man's God knew what would happen before it did. To God, there is no past, present or future. There is no time as we know it. You have to suspend your own thought,human thought, and accept God's plan cuz He is God and we are not. THAT is faith. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 05:02 PM God had "Ages" of time which were apportioned for various groups and various events. He can do what He wants. The OT was the time for the Jews. The NT or Age of Grace is the time for the Gentiles. HOWEVER, even when the Jews were blinded as a group, individuals would ALWAYS be heard by God. The Jews who accept Jesus in the Age of Grace are called the remnant. After the Age of Grace is the Millenium. This is 1000 years of Peace. This is where the lion will lay down with the lamb. I do not have all the details of the Millenium cuz it is complicated. The Age of Grace is almost over. The last part of it is called the End Times. Most Bible scholars agree the End Times are now. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 05:03 PM I will come back later and add more.It is hard to do 2000 years of history in a half an hour ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6644 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 31, 2011 07:05 PM so are you aware of the indian holy books which also tell of this time, the fact that the mayan calendar also points to this juncture, in fact pretty much every holy book including those preceding the bible agrees? as well of course as nostradamus, who some say they can prove predicted multiple events since his day... however they all, including the bible, have been interpreted to mean OTHER things as well. as to all the god following people being jews, well they would be in the jewish book wouldn't they? this is a fairly circular argument - something most religious arguers/pontificaters indulge in since time immemorial. and what do you have to say about the revision of the bible in constantinople to serve the POLITICAL powers that were? of the essene gospels? the inclusion of reincarnation in the OT? look ami, i believe jesus was an avatar, or ascended master" but there have been others, of other faiths. they all pointed in the same direction. there instructions suited the times they found themselves in. that said, there are plenty of "automatic writers" who can attest to the fact that their words didn't come FROM them, at least in a conscious state. inspiration is available to those who cultivate the receptive state of mind. john lennon did some powerful channelling too. Whatever Gets you thru the Night expresses my feelings about your religion...i'm glad it works for you. but the bible is FAR from the only BOOK. the KNOWLEDGE is in the "ethers" to be found and has been by many. the mayans call this period the "end of time" as well. i hope they are right and i am keeping my antennae out. IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6644 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted May 31, 2011 07:08 PM and as to the diff between "chosen" and "favourite", my father was his mother's favourite. i believe he would have given ANYthing to NOT be. it was quite the burden. but i don't believe in the puppetmaster god. i believe god is Everything and we are in and of It. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted May 31, 2011 07:09 PM I will write something from the Bible.You tell me who you think it is talking about. You write down how certain you are after you say who it is.For example--50%,60% etc. I will be back later or tomorrow if you want to try it. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
iQ Knowflake Posts: 2951 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 01, 2011 05:13 AM It is wisest to go in for Spiritual interpretations than literal interpretations. The Roman Catholic Church used the revised editions after the Nicene Conference. 150-170 Million people have been killed because of the literal interpretations of the Church. "Thou Shalt Not Kill". How can any Christian or Jew or Muslim deserve to claim favor of God when the primary commandment has been broken by their religious leaders ? Until they break away from the religious leaders and the programmed flock? God is Fair and Just. Surely He Has reserved the highest heaven for the Buddhist Monks and Jains who have not broken His primary commandment. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 01, 2011 08:46 AM IQ You and I will have to disagree on literal versus spiritual translations. I hope you will still feel kindly to me.I could NEVER feel less to you ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3774 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 01, 2011 11:07 AM What is true is that the nation of Israel through the ancient nation of Israel has a prior claim to the lands they now inhabit. That prior claim supersedes all other claims...whether you like it or not. What is also true is that the ancient lands of Israel are larger than the current maps show. Further, if Israel had not given back land captured during attacks by various Arab states, Israel would be far larger than it is today. IQ, if you wish to quote the Old Testament, the least you could do is try to get it right. The 6th Commandment...Thou shalt not kill...is a misinterpretation...as almost everyone knows. So why don't you know? The correct interpretation from the original language says...Thou shalt not commit "Murder". Murder is the deliberate, intentional killing of an innocent person. Murder does not apply to war or to the unintentional killing of non-combatants. IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6644 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 01, 2011 11:37 AM in that case, jwhop, the mexicans BELONG in our southwest too, but you will not concede THAT point...or are you changing your mind? in fact you insist that whatever the historical "homeland" of these people is, WE WON IT FAIR AND SQUARE so they have no right to complain! the ANCIENT israelis LEFT in search of better lives for the most part. yes they were persecuted at home, as they have been in other places, yes, their territory was overrun by more powerful empires (the romans mostly), but they were "tolerated" EXCEPT when they rose up in protest Before Bar-Kochba an estimated 2/3 of the population of Gallilee and 1/3 of the coastal region were Jewish.[21] The failure of the revolts, persecution and the economic crisis that affected the Roman empire in the 3rd century led to Jewish migration from Israel to the more tolerant Persian Sassanid Empire, where a prosperous Jewish community existed in the area round Babylon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel#Pre-Christian_Rome_.2864_BCE_.E2.80.93_324_CE.29 and it was the takeover by ARABS that gave them a foothold there again. but the jews are far from the only people disinherited by imperialism from other peoples in that area. even before oil was discovered, this area was ALWAYS a target of imperialists since, well, at least the roman empire. it is rich in minerals and metals, and especially the coastal regions have other riches too. lebanon is another place that has suffered in the same way, in fact most of africa has been the victim of expansionist colonialist powers looting the natural resources there. lebanon has been occupied forever, in fact an educated lebanese person will speak FRENCH as a first language, ENGLISH second, and ARABIC only LAST...because it has been so long under foreign occupation. the lebanese emigre population is HUGE because of this. JUST like the jewish population. but again, it was the ARABS who allowed and tolerated the jews BACK in israel after romans etc dominated it. MOST emigrating jews did so for the SAME REASON ISRAELIS leave today...because it's incredibly stressful living under foreign discriminating rule. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 01, 2011 11:45 AM To Jwhop from a grateful friend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usfiAsWR4qU ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6644 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 01, 2011 01:54 PM Murder is the deliberate, intentional killing of an innocent person. Murder does not apply to war or to the unintentional killing of non-combatants. are you saying, jwhop, that when deciding to go to war, the perps are not planning on killing anyone, innocent or not? and that this MURDER is always justified? are you saying that no war has ever been waged for the sake of adding territory and power to the perpetrators, that all wars are acts of self-defense? i would have to disagree with that. expansionist and pre-emptive wars are myriad in history and present day life. and though in the OLD days, when armies met on battlefields, innocents were not killed so often, many innocent people have been raped, pillaged and plain extinguished by troops while NOT on the battlefield EVEN THEN. IP: Logged
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6644 From: Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 01, 2011 01:55 PM nice piece of music, ami...inspired, one could say! IP: Logged
iQ Knowflake Posts: 2951 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 02, 2011 07:06 AM << IQ You and I will have to disagree on literal versus spiritual translations. I hope you will still feel kindly to me.I could NEVER feel less to you >> Dear Ami, I thoroughly respect your point of view. The thing is my inner experiences have forced me to seek the spiritual translations in all scriptures. Even the literal translations of most scriptures are good enough though JWHop, When it is known in advance that an innocent will be killed from a deadly action, it is MURDER. When a Civilian Population is bombed, it is MURDER. The 6th Commandment in any way you interpret it has been shamelessly broken by Jews, Christians and Muslims alike. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 13840 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted June 02, 2011 02:06 PM I respect you GREATLY,too IQ. I am grateful to know you IQ ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it . Jesus He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 3774 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009	posted June 03, 2011 09:45 AM IQ, there's no nation, no reasonable person and no credible court which would accept your definition of Murder...nor will your definition be found in any credible legal dictionary. This is just another way America hating leftists attempt to attack the United States. It's getting old and especially when it comes from someone whose own country has so many pressing problems. Surely, there must be plenty of problems for you to correct there. If you can't find any IQ, I'll be happy to assist you and find them for you! IP: Logged
Saraintheski Knowflake Posts: 228 From: Registered: May 2011	posted July 06, 2011 12:54 AM I'm not a fan of Obomber or any demorats but are you aware of all the money being sent to Israel while they are inflicting a God damn Holocaust on the Palestinian people .. I'm totally sick of jewish propaganda! No i'm not for supporting Hamas either but the palestinians ran out once and no we won't give up until we have justice and we aren't second class citizens we have no country and we were never offered one out the graciousness of the israelis ... TOTAL PIGS IP: Logged

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