posted December 05, 2011 05:50 PM            

There will always be critics and unfortunately people will have their biases. You can't please everyone and with mass movements skeptics and critics are inevitable.

posted December 06, 2011 10:49 AM            

The reality is, that behind the scenes...for months, leftist groups were plotting and planning the Class Warfare reelection theme of Barack Hussein O'Bomber. OWS was part of that O'Bomber reelection manipulation.

Marxist, Socialist, Progressive, Anarchist, Anti-Capitalist and dedicated to the overthrow of the US economic system using Saul Alinsky's communist tactics.

Saul Alinsky...Rules for Radicals

'Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.'

The dots line up so perfectly between the OWS crowd and O'Bomber that a straight line connects them.

The dots connecting the OWS crowd, Barack Hussein O'Bomber and the Cloward-Piven Strategy are also so apparent one must turn their brain off to not see it.

The Cloward-Piven Strategy...taught in the American University System by Communist radical professors, seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

So, when we see the OWS crowd demanding a $20 per hour minimum wage..whether one works or not, free housing, free food, free education, free health care and cancellation of debt by government decree...we know exactly where the OWS crowd is coming from...and exactly where they've been.

posted December 06, 2011 02:56 PM            

"DIVIDE AND RULE, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN THE PLAN"

posted December 06, 2011 04:57 PM            

You must live in an alternate reality!

There's no one here or anywhere else I know who views the main stream media with more contempt than I.

As for your allegation of bad press coverage of OWS, that's a delusional fiction you've created in your mind.

News coverage of OWS hasn't been balanced or even fair. It's been overwhelmingly positive. They've managed to turn the cameras off all the communist sloganeering and turned blind eyes to all the dopers, anarchists, rapists and other miscreants and never a word is heard about OWS failures to get permits or squatting on private property.

Nice communist word...masses.

As for the masses being deluded about what's going on...there's an implied assumption that you do. That's another tear in the fabric of reality!

Media Embrace 'Noble' Extremists Occupying Wall Street, Ignore Radicalism 88% of the Time
Communists, anarchists and revolutionaries fight to destroy capitalism, while journalists praise the 'Zen-like' encampment.
By Julia A. Seymour
Monday, October 10, 2011

Extremists in Guy Fawkes masks, Code Pinkers and "professional anarchists," have camped out in New York City to protest Wall Street, greed and the capitalist system. Through social media the first protest in New York's financial district has sparked copycat protests in more than a hundred cities.

In a video posted on The Blaze, organizer Nelini Stamp made it clear that what she wants is "to change the capitalist system that we have today because it's not working for any of us." Moments later she said the conversation needed to begin about how "to reform and bring, you know, sort of revolutionary change to the States." She also labeled the OWS events part of a "new age radical movement."

Yet that is not the sense you'd get from reading stories about the protest in national newspapers or watching ABC, CBS and NBC. In those stories, you'll barely hear the word "liberal" mentioned in connection with the protesters, much less the more appropriate "socialist" label. Out of 69 national news reports (newspaper and broadcast) about "Occupy Wall Street" or "wall street protests," only eight stories have used described the protesters or protests with words indicative of the left-wing extremism represented. That's only 12 percent of the time.

Protester complaints reported by The New York Times ranged from the absurd: "I want to get rid of the combustion engine," (a man named John McKibben said,) to the genuinely sad: "[I am] extremely disappointed and angry that I have no future," 22-year-old student Sid Gurung told the Times.

But the socialist cry for "a more equal economy" and government handouts that seem to be the overwhelming theme of the protests which have been livestreamed online from "Global Revolution." Despite that, national newspapers and the three broadcast networks have ignored or downplayed the left-wing extremism of the protests by focusing instead on the camaraderie and "street-fair" like feeling of protests.

The Business & Media Institute analyzed coverage in The New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, USA Today and on ABC, CBS and NBC and found that out of 44 newspaper stories about the protests only eight used any of the following words to describe the protests or protesters: liberal, left-wing, radical, extreme, communist, socialist, anarchist, revolutionary or progressive.

The 25 network broadcast reports on the protests didn't use any of them, although one report did quote a protester who declared: "This is the beginning of the people's revolution." Two additional reports suggested that without a leader the "rage" of the protests might turn to "revolution." Opinion pieces and stories that mentioned the protests, but were focused on other topics were not included in the analysis.

Occupiers Angry about Debt, Foreclosures, Outsourcing and Income Inequality

The "Declaration of the Occupation of New York City" reveals how far left-wing the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) crowd really is, despite the media's praise of them as "noble" and well-intentioned. The Los Angeles Times actually claimed on Oct. 6 that "the leaderless organization" has "few specific demands." Clearly that newspaper hasn't been listening to the protesters.

The OWS's long list of complaints against corporations (some of which really don't make sense) included: "illegal foreclosures," bailouts and bonuses, "inequality and discrimination in the workplace," a "poisoned" food supply, the monopolization of farming, cruelty to animals, holding "students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right," outsourcing, "block alternate forms of energy," "block generic forms of medicine" and many others.

Yet there has been very little criticism of the protests among the national newspapers and three broadcast networks and plenty of lighthearted descriptions. USA Today called it a "carnival atmosphere." The Washington Post said it "had the feeling of a street fair." The Los Angeles Times said on Sept. 30, the "settlement has gelled into an organized community that hums along almost Zen-like …" Nevermind that the protesters are illegally squatting in a private park, offending neighbors and local businesses with noise, trash and displays of exhibitionism.

Ginia Bellafante of The New York Times called the Occupy Wall Street effort "a noble but fractured and airy movement of rightly frustrated young people," on Sept. 25. While there are some legitimate frustrations being expressed by OWS protestors, they seek to blame banks and capitalism for everything, rather than the government for its involvement in the financial collapse. Many of them want the government to take from corporations and rich people and give them handouts.

The three broadcast networks have gushed over the left-wingers by calling it the "protest of this current era." Funny, the networks didn't think that about the conservative grassroots movement called the Tea Party. The news media ridiculed, obscenely nicknamed and attempted to discredit the Tea Party movement.

But the networks like this radical left-wing protest effort. On NBC October 5, correspondent Mara Schiavocampo gushed, "Three weeks in, and no signs of slowing. The 'Occupy Wall Street' protest growing in size and scope." Onscreen NBC declared: "Gaining Ground; 'Occupy Wall Street' Protests Spreading."

Signs of Extremism

If you're in doubt that OWS rallies are fueled by an entitlement mentality or that these protesters want the government to forcibly take from the rich (or worse), just listen to what some OWS protesters and their supporters say.

The We Are the 99 Percent website which shares individuals' stories includes complaints like "Knowledge should be free," "Teachers don't get the support and pay they deserve," "My high-speed internet and new car loan are likewise CRUSHING me …" and "I work for a Fortune 100 Company. My manager makes literally 10x more money than I do …"

One Occupy Chicago protester, complete in Guy Fawkes mask, held up a sign that warned: "Hungry People Don't Stay Hungry for long. They get Hope from fire and smoke as the weak grow strong."

Another sign at that protest read: "One day the poor will have nothing to eat but the rich."

Anti-capitalist and anti-bank signs abound at the protests including: "Capitalism is the Crisis," "Nazi Banks," "Tax the Billionaires" and "Capitalism Cannot be Reformed." Violent imagery like signs that depicted a tie turned into a noose could also be found. Other extremists signs like "End financial aid to Israel" and "America Failed As a Society Because of So Called Christians" also turn up in an image search for Occupy Wall Street protests.

Far left-wing billionaire George Soros and Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, have made statements supportive of the protests. Actress and comedian Roseanne Barr showed her support by appearing at the New York protest. In an interview with Russia Today about OWS and bankers, Barr said, "I am in favor of the return of the guillotine," for the "worst of the worst of the guilty." She said she believes in a "maximum wage of $100 million."

While that might sound extreme, Barr's views fit right in at the protests. Some of the people protesting (or supporting the protests) actually want the violent destruction or overthrow of the capitalism system, like the Bolshevik revolution.

The loose-knit anarchist hacker group Anonymous joined the Occupy Wall Street movement in August, long before people showed up to occupy a park in New York City on Sept. 17. In an Oct. 1 video from AnonGuyNYC the creepy voice coming from behind a Guy Fawkes costume declared that "bankers are the problem." He called international bankers the "scum of the earth" and argued they have to be "brought to account." One of several possibilities he mentioned was "a real run on Wall Street where the public goes into their offices and dispenses frontier justice on their person."

posted December 06, 2011 07:02 PM            

all the "dirty commie hippy" stuff is just leftover propaganda and you got it from the media, so what are you rabitting on about? or should i say parotting on?

as for violent images, how about an effigy of the president? THAT would be fine, right, along with "carrying" at town hall meetings, calling the president a liar during an address to congress, and shooting doctors in church ("rough justice" - jwhop) because they perform a service that FOX pundits call "murder".

trespassers or not, permits or not, curfews or not, there is no excuse for the way the police have been assaulting nonviolent protesters and you know it.

posted December 06, 2011 07:13 PM            

a fairly long list that basically boils down to corporate interests being served by washington for way too long. i don't agree with all of them, but when did you ever start a sale negotiation by asking for nothing?

and while you crow that obama had huge donations from wall street and the banks in 08, you might also remember that THIS year the big bucks are going to republican wannabes. WHY? because obama has NOT delivered the treatment they wanted. so now they want a romney ("corporations are people, my friend!") or gingrich ("there's nothing wrong with taking money for lobbying while in office!") instead. good luck with that!

posted December 09, 2011 08:28 AM            

The so-called leaderless Occupy movement has just been caught red-handed operating what appears to be a nerve center staffed by professional agitators deeply tied to groups funded by billionaire activist George Soros.

The groups, most prominent among them being the Tides Center, have been involved with Occupy since the anti-Wall Street movement's inception.

The radical connections have been largely missed by the general public. CNN, the only news media outlet to receive exclusive access to Occupy's alleged headquarters, did not fully identify the activists found running it.

Last week, CNN ran a piece titled "Exclusive: Inside the offices of Occupy Wall Street."

The article and accompanying video purport to depict "a few dozen Occupy Wall Street organizers" who "show up to work every day at an office building in the heart of Manhattan's Financial District."

CNN surmised "the office space appears to be the movement's nerve center," a notion denied by Occupy leaders interviewed by the news network.

Continued the piece: "But the volunteers who plan future actions, network with other Occupy protests and deal with logistical issues insisted the location is not Occupy Wall Street's headquarters."

The news network maintained it visited Occupy's nerve center. CNN reported the Occupy office boasts a finance committee that manages expenses and donations; a communications group that disseminates information agreed upon by consensus and a housing group to make sleeping arrangements for protesters.

CNN quoted activist Han Shan, identifying him only as "a member of Occupy Wall Street's press relations and direct-action working groups."

"This is just an office space that a handful of people have tried to make a resource for the Occupy Wall Street movement," Shan stated.

"Everybody is looking around trying to figure out where the heck the headquarters is, and the truth of the matter is this movement is bigger than any piece of geography, than any piece of real estate, than any square block."

Shan's radical resume goes far beyond Occupy. He is the former program director for the Tides Center-funded Ruckus Society and an activist with the Tides-funded Adbusters.

Shan was listed as the contact person for protests outside the 2000 Democratic National Convention. Those protests were sponsored by both Adbusters and Ruckus.

Shan previously pulled off a stunt at the Mall of America in Minneapolis, where he reportedly climbed to the top of the building and unfurled a 600-square-foot cartoon that depicted the earth falling through a broken shopping bag. The action was aimed at getting mall visitors to ditch their purchases, go home and observe Thanksgiving Friday as "Buy Nothing Day."

Since 1992, "Buy Nothing Day" has been sponsored annually by the Vancouver-based Media Foundation, which publishes Adbusters.

Adbusters magazine is reported to have come up with the Occupy Wall Street idea after Arab Spring protests toppled governments in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia. The Adbusters website serves as a central hub for Occupy's planning.

Working with the Ruckus Society, Shan was a leader of the 1999 World Trade Organization protests in Seattle that turned violent. Ruckus helped to spark those riots.

Ruckus is directly tied to Occupy. WND previously reported how official direct-action training resources for recent Occupy events include several manuals from the Ruckus Society, which trains radical activists in "direct action" techniques.

Ruckus was also listed as a "friend and partner" of the Occupy Days of Action held last month.

Ruckus is funded by the Tides Center, which has been involved in Occupy since the movement's onset.

Another grantee of Tides is the Adbusters magazine. MoveOn.org, which has joined Occupy, is funded by Tides.

Tides functions as a money tunnel where major leftist donors provide large sums that are channeled to hundreds of radical groups. One prominent Tides donor is Soros.

Besides accepting major donations from Tides, Ruckus is also funded directly by Soros' own Open Society Institute.

Meanwhile, another Occupy staffer loosely identified by CNN is Haywood Carey, who is labeled simply as an Occupy "activist."

As the Heritage Foundation pointed out, Carey was a paid employee of the Change to Win labor federation from 2008 to 2009.

The federation is a coalition of four member unions: The International Brotherhood of Teamsters, Service Employees International Union; United Farm Workers and the United Food and Commercial Workers.

In his book "Beyond the Fields," labor historian Randy Shaw notes the groundwork for the founding of Change to Win were laid out by SEIU activist Stephen Lerner.

Shaw relates: "Lerner's December 2002 Labor Notes article, 'There Steps to Reorganizing and Rebuilding the Labor Movement,' laid the groundwork for the decision by SEIU and other unions to break away from the AFL-CIO in 2005 and form the new labor federation Change to Win."

As WND was first to report, the tactic of blocking bridges, already used by Occupy Wall Street to hold up the Brooklyn Bridge amid other recent attempts, was institutionalized by Lerner.

Meanwhile, another professional radical running Occupy yet not fully identified by the news media is Beth Bogart, who has been widely quoted as helping to run the movement's press relations department in New York and other cities.

Not mentioned in most media accounts is that Bogart, formerly known as Beth Bogart Fenton, is co-founder of Fenton Communications.

Fenton is an extremist-led outfit that crafts the public relations strategy of Tides grantees. It came under new scrutiny after WND published a series of exposés tying it to Occupy Wall Street. One of its senior employees represented the anti-Wall Street march past millionaires' homes in New York in October.

After WND's report, Fenton denied ties to the Occupy movement.

Fenton's Chris Potter denied the firm was working for Occupy, claiming his group was doing a "favor" for a friend in New York by helping with recent publicity.

However, with Bogart now serving as an Occupy media strategist, the Fenton links to the movement continue.

Fenton Communications has been behind the public relations strategy of a who's who of far-left causes, organizations and activists, from representing Soros himself to Health Care for America Now to crafting strategies for MoveOn.org and a litany of anti-war groups.

Fenton, which works closely with Tides, first made its name representing communist dictatorships in the 1980s.

Fenton Communications was founded in 1982 by David Fenton, an activist who served as a photographer for Bill Ayers' domestic Weather Underground terror group.

Fenton used the Tides Center to set up Environmental Media Services in 1994. Tides reportedly originally ran EMS' daily operations.

David Fenton serves on the board of numerous Tides-funded groups, while his firm represents more than 30 Tides Center grantees, as well as Soros himself and the billionaire's Open Society Institute. Fenton helped to craft Moveon.org's attacks on Gen. David Petraeus.

An example of the close public relations relationship between Fenton and Tides is the Social Venture Network, which was established and operates as a project of the Tides Foundation, while its strategy is represented by Fenton. SVN's board has included Tides' founder Drummond Pike as well as Medea Benjamin, co-founder of Code Pink.

Another group, September Eleventh Families For Peaceful Tomorrows, is an anti-war organization founded by individuals who lost loved ones in the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The group's campaign was coordinated by Fenton while the group was funded by Tides.

Also represented by Fenton is the Win Without War group, which was funded by Soros and Tides.

posted December 10, 2011 11:00 AM            

There seems to be some people here who cannot read..or...cannot read with comprehension..or..simply don't give a rat's ass about the truth.

Text of S.1867, Section 1032 (b) 1&2

(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-

(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

posted December 10, 2011 01:55 PM            

No US citizen can be "indefinitely detained" without a trial or due process...which means...a physical appearance before a US Court with jurisdiction over both the law and the detained!

posted December 10, 2011 05:29 PM            

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death".
- Adolph Hitler

"Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
- Hermann Goering, Nazi leader.

"The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened".
- Josef Stalin

posted December 12, 2011 06:06 AM            

I don't believe in radical approaches or extremism or revolutions. I believe that change should happen gradually, should be approached with a spirit of negotiation and compromise, and should be for the purpose of the common good rather than some big statement. I believe that if someone has a goal or cause, they should approach it respectfully and with the intention of presenting their case rather than with the intention of making a spectacle of themselves or making a name for themselves.

I'm more of a "work within the system to change things" kind of gal. Extremism on either end scares me. I am a liberal person, but, at the same time, I believe in approaching change in a way that is reasonable and sensible and level-headed. Example: PETA. I believe in animal rights, but they are EXTREME, and I can't in good conscience support them (though I am supportive of more level-headed and reasonable groups). Or certain animal-rights activists who throw paint on people wearing fur coats. It isn't right of them to assault (and yes, it is assault) people by doing that, or to harass them verbally. While they may have good intentions in wanting to protect animals, people like that go too far, to name one example.

I do believe in caring about the causes that matter to you, but I also believe in respecting your opponents by not harassing them, trolling their pages, spewing hate toward them. Stand your ground and disagree with them, but be civil about it.

I believe that showing sound reasoning and approaching issues with logic, rationality, and calm is a better method of getting people to listen to you than is being outrageous or obnoxious. People are more likely to listen, in my life experience, when you seem reasonable and sensible, not when you seem threatening or obnoxious. Being obnoxious might get attention, but it doesn't get people to really listen to your message or take it seriously. Being extreme or in-your-face turns people off to what you are trying to argue and defeats the whole purpose of arguing; it's counter-productive.

I tend to get annoyed with people who are too in-your-face and who force their views on people. I try hard not to do that. I used to be more obnoxious, but, after observing that it scared people and put them off to getting to know me, and as I've matured, I've cooled off considerably. I have my "moments of fire" about certain issues, but for the most part I try very hard to be respectful, dignified, and civil.

It also annoys me when people who are outrageous and 'loud' about their views assume that us quieter people "don't care" just because we are not extremists. You don't have to grab a megaphone, protest, march, pass out pamphlets, post disgusting articles or disturbing images/videos, etc. to care. There are many ways of caring about an issue or supporting a cause without being 'loud' or 'out there' about it.

------------------
*I use the whole sign system*

Personal Planets:
Sun, Mercury: Libra
Venus: Scorpio
Moon: Cancer
Mars: Capricorn

posted December 12, 2011 10:13 AM            

Don’t s#!+ where you eat. That basic workplace rule takes on a more literal meaning in the Occupy camps. People defecate where they dine. This isn’t a cheap shot. It’s reality. From Seattle to New York to Oakland to Washington, DC, the pooparazzi’s cameras have captured occupation defecations.

This isn’t just bad PR. It’s bad hygiene. Those obsessed with the environment stand strangely aloof from their pollution of their own surroundings. Self-righteousness and self-awareness aren’t usually a package deal.

Do you recall the public defecations during 1963’s March on Washington​? The rapes at last year’s Tea Party rallies? The narcotics busts plaguing the annual March for Life?

No? Me neither. It’s only Occupy Wall Street and its imitators that bequeath this disgraceful, and disgusting, legacy.

The group’s behavior rebuts to its demands. For a little faction to tell a big country how it should rearrange itself, that group should be able to order its house, at least minimally, in a responsible way. This mob’s words lack weight, and their narcissistic stench can’t make up for it.

If Occupy Wall Street were a restaurant, the board of health would board up its entrances. If Occupy Wall Street were a hotel (or even a housing project), building inspectors would shut it down. If “occupier” were an occupation, unions would protest their inhumane working conditions.

Of course, the Occupy camps are all these things. People eat, sleep, and work in them. But their inhabitants, who seek a more activist government, want immunity from Big Brother’s rules and wrath. Regulation for thee, not for me. They practice lawlessness as they preach intervention. Though jealous of their own rights, they trample on the rights of others—and preach for the government to trample more.

Occupiers live like animals in their filth. But they behave like people in their hypocrisy.

To occupy implies force. But the occupiers insist that theirs is a non-violent protest. A peaceful seizure is an oxymoron. The protestors commit violence against both property rights and language. Whether the impromptu camping grounds belong by right to the public or to private persons, they don’t belong to the people in the tents.

If you occupy that spare couch that the guy in a tent previously crashed on, then the incursion would be clear to him. But the protestors are flatfooted simpletons ethically, and selfish; they cannot put the shoe on the other foot. They don’t grasp why it’s immoral when they take what isn’t theirs.

The occupiers’ land expropriations advertise their program: theft. So, too, does the inherently parasitical display of able-bodied people engaged in non-productive activity. Who can afford to hang out for months in a park? A person sponging—off the government, off parents, off charity.

At every turn, what they do speaks against what they say. The dependency they exhibit is the dependency they call for. An America taken over by the principles of the Occupy movement would very much resemble an Occupy camp: a dirty, smelly place where lazy people subside off the backs of others.

Cities fed-up with playing babysitter to the adult babies in the camps have begun evicting their tenting tenants.

Chicago is unoccupied. So is Los Angeles. Philadelphia and Portland, too. In Boston, where Occupy-related police overtime approaches $1 million, the Rose Kennedy Greenway has become the Rose Kennedy Brownway. Boston’s Finest removed the urban squatters Saturday morning. A muddy mess littered with trash and political graffiti remains.

There is a name for people who issue demands, lean on others to provide for them, and make messes for others to clean up. They’re called children, and for good reason we don’t allow them a vote. For these same reasons, it would be unwise to let Occupy’s adult children influence the votes of citizens or legislators.

The Occupy obituary should note that the movement displaced the homeless, drained city budgets, left a lingering stink, and destroyed public parks. It didn’t change a single law—or, one might venture, a single mind—in its favor.

posted December 12, 2011 11:50 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
I don't believe in radical approaches or extremism or revolutions. I believe that change should happen gradually, should be approached with a spirit of negotiation and compromise, and should be for the purpose of the common good rather than some big statement. I believe that if someone has a goal or cause, they should approach it respectfully and with the intention of presenting their case rather than with the intention of making a spectacle of themselves or making a name for themselves...I do believe in caring about the causes that matter to you, but I also believe in respecting your opponents by not harassing them, trolling their pages, spewing hate toward them. Stand your ground and disagree with them, but be civil about it.

I believe that showing sound reasoning and approaching issues with logic, rationality, and calm is a better method of getting people to listen to you than is being outrageous or obnoxious. People are more likely to listen, in my life experience, when you seem reasonable and sensible, not when you seem threatening or obnoxious. Being obnoxious might get attention, but it doesn't get people to really listen to your message or take it seriously. Being extreme or in-your-face turns people off to what you are trying to argue and defeats the whole purpose of arguing; it's counter-productive...I tend to get annoyed with people who are too in-your-face and who force their views on people. I try hard not to do that. I used to be more obnoxious, but, after observing that it scared people and put them off to getting to know me, and as I've matured, I've cooled off considerably. I have my "moments of fire" about certain issues, but for the most part I try very hard to be respectful, dignified, and civil.

---

Thanks for your insightful response Regardes. As I mentioned in other posts throughout this thread the "occupy" concept is reminiscent of a peaceful sit in. Any strife in relation to the movement was a result of police brutality and misunderstandings. If you haven't been to the protest sites or participated in a march you can take a look at the Occupy website link I posted that streams videos and documents the movement as it unfolds, to get accurate information.

I myself am a Libra as well, however I don't fully agree with your position on how movements should be handled. I have Aquarius Rising and I believe sometimes there needs to be chaos in order to bring about change and peace realistically. Just look towards space and behold the birth of a new star or galaxy, there is nothing dignified or moderate about that, massive chemical and radiological explosions and fusions so bright human beings would be left blind had we been directly in the midst of these cosmic reactions. Logically, we'd like everything to be refined and civilized however we are subjective beings and many things in life just aren't rational. As an Air sign trust me I'd like them to be but I know better. We can't cater the world to be what we'd like especially not in relation to movements and revolutions challenging systems that have been in place for decades even centuries. And any leader who thinks that they can manage the masses in favor of their own ideas about civility are overwhelmingly misguided.

Trying to civilize, control and repress the masses is what has actually lead to many explosive movements and revolutions. Example the unrest in the Middle East. If only we'd allowed people the chance to evolve to a place of civility instead of being restricted and forced too by oppressive leaders. When people have been mistreated or even oppressed they react radically. It's in our nature, because we are so desperately seeking change. Then there are those who don't want change, they enjoy the way of the establishment and would rather things stay the same. Because the very thought of change challenges their very security in our materialistic society. Those will surprise you with what they're willing to do in order to keep things as they are. Civility goes right out the window when your very way of life is challenged.

posted December 15, 2011 11:22 AM            

We...meaning the rest of the American population...the vast majority...are not going to let you, O'Bomber or anyone else radically transform America into a European Socialist state.

I consider an armed robber more honest than you. At least when an armed robber sticks a gun in your ear and demands your cash, they're taking their own risk and doing their own dirty work.

On the other hand, there's those who want government to stick their sticky fingers into the back pockets of citizens, steal the fruits of their labors and hand it over...to you!

A general house-cleaning in government began in November 2010. It's going to continue in November 2012 and for as many election cycles as necessary to rid the federal government of the blithering, blathering, bloviating, chair warming liars and thieves who have planted the "entitlement mentality" in your minds.

You are not without options.

The kind of government you crave already exists...in Europe. Emigrate...but be quick about it because those Socialist welfare states are in the process of collapsing under the weight of cradle to grave Socialism.

Another option is to take your worthless degrees in Creative Navel Gazing, Esoteric Basket Weaving, Women's Studies, Black History and the rest of the junk degrees some have been conned into pursuing and burn them in the streets.

Then, you can learn how to do something useful; something which has value to employers and contributes to the Gross Domestic Product of America. That would require WORK and I doubt you have it in you.

What you really want is not "equal opportunity". You want "equal outcomes" in life's lottery but you are allergic to WORK.

In my opinion, you are never going to be happy in America.

posted December 15, 2011 11:58 AM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by jwhop:
Bad news for the Occupiers, the rest of the Marxists Socialists Progressive clowns and the "free lunch" crowd.

We...meaning the rest of the American population...the vast majority...are not going to let you, O'Bomber or anyone else radically transform America into a European Socialist state.

I consider an armed robber more honest than you. At least when an armed robber sticks a gun in your ear and demands your cash, they're taking their own risk and doing their own dirty work.

On the other hand, there's those who want government to stick their sticky fingers into the back pockets of citizens, steal the fruits of their labors and hand it over...to you!

A general house-cleaning in government began in November 2010. It's going to continue in November 2012 and for as many election cycles as necessary to rid the federal government of the blithering, blathering, bloviating, chair warming liars and thieves who have planted the "entitlement mentality" in your minds.

You are not without options.

The kind of government you crave already exists...in Europe. Emigrate...but be quick about it because those Socialist welfare states are in the process of collapsing under the weight of cradle to grave Socialism.

Another option is to take your worthless degrees in Creative Navel Gazing, Esoteric Basket Weaving, Women's Studies, Black History and the rest of the junk degrees some have been conned into pursuing and burn them in the streets.

Then, you can learn how to do something useful; something which has value to employers and contributes to the Gross Domestic Product of America. That would require WORK and I doubt you have it in you.

What you really want is not "equal opportunity". You want "equal outcomes" in life's lottery but you are allergic to WORK.

In my opinion, you are never going to be happy in America.

Your best option is to emigrate away from this society of Capitalists.

---

------------------
Want a peek in to my journal?

posted December 15, 2011 01:19 PM            

quote:

---

Originally posted by jwhop:
Another option is to take your worthless degrees in Creative Navel Gazing, Esoteric Basket Weaving, Women's Studies, Black History and the rest of the junk degrees some have been conned into pursuing and burn them in the streets.

Then, you can learn how to do something useful; something which has value to employers and contributes to the Gross Domestic Product of America. That would require WORK and I doubt you have it in you.

---

Get it all out Jwhop? Attacking education really? Women Studies and Black history? You had to stick those two academic fields into your rant on attacking liberal arts education, to prove a crystal clear point about your views as a person and intentions. Two viably substantial fields within the history of academics and that have greatly shaped and influenced the American culture. Of course accuracy or even diplomacy do not exist according to your assertions because that would require a comprise not an eviction. It's the American way forcing people to do what they say, how they see fit, and evicting them, enslaving them or in the case of the Indigenous Native American population and the atomic bombs dropped on the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, mass murder. Do it our way or get out right? Would you really like to get into a discussion about the American way?

The "Occupy" movement is here to stay. They have a call for change and are willing to compromise because they have the greater good in mind not their only personal capitalistic self interests. It's funny how you define work, because allowing investors and other financial organizations to carelessly mismanage funds and resources, defraud the masses, and fill up their own bank accounts with extravagant bonuses while successfully running the US economy into the ground, truly a hard day's work, right?

posted December 15, 2011 01:36 PM            

Public education money and especially federal money to fund useless and fluffed up degree programs should be halted...yesterday!