posted November 28, 2011 03:04 PM            

marxist also to expect the crooks and scammers who crashed the economy to be tried and DO TIME instead of handing over a few pennies in recognition of the damage done, but no recompense whatsoever

marxist to insist that votes be counted and cast honestly

marxist to point out that the government - in all its depts - is off the rails.

do me a favour and stop looking for ghosts under your bed, jwhop. it's not about the commies and the good guys. it's about your kids and grandkids future.

posted November 28, 2011 04:33 PM            

Just for kicks I googled "Occupy Movement demands." This is the first link I found:

1.That specific and effective rules be passed to eliminate the influence of corporations, personal financiers, banks and brokerage houses over elected and unelected officials everywhere in all government. Specifically, that contributions of money, favors of any kind, and promises of employment after leaving office be made strictly illegal. That contributions of any kind, either delivered directly to politicians, or delivered through lobbyists, or made through contributions to campaigns or made through pledges of employment of staff or family also be illegal.

2.That the government enact legislation that reverses the effects of the "Citizens United" supreme court decision

3.That congress pass the "Return to Prudent Banking Act of 2011" (HR 1489) and restore the spirit of the Glass-Steagall Act

4.The elimination of the "Personhood" legal status for corporations

5.That the government enact a taxation policy that does not over burden the majority of citizens and looks to the very wealthy to contribute more for the greater good of the nation

6.That appropriate Federal agencies fully investigate and prosecute the "Wall Street" actors for crimes leading to the current financial crisis

7.That "Flash Trading" be outlawed and the "casino" aspects of business investing currently practiced on "Wall Street" be terminated

8.That the practice of private banks owning shares in the 12 Federal Reserve Banks be ended

9.That public college attendance be free

10.That healthcare be nationalized and available to all citizens

11.That environmental laws be strengthened to guarantee a clean, undamaged environment to future generations

12.That the Patriot Act be repealed

13.That the attacks of 9-11-2001 be vigorously investigated again

posted November 28, 2011 05:43 PM            

Occupy Wall Street protesters post manifesto of 'demands’

Demand one:
Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending “Freetrade” by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand two:
Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three:
Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four:
Free college education.

Demand five:
Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand six:
One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now.

Demand seven:
One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America’s nuclear power plants.

Demand eight:
Racial and gender equal rights amendment.

Demand nine:
Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live.

Demand ten:
Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system.

Demand eleven:
Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the “Books.” World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the “Books.” And I don’t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.

Demand twelve:
Outlaw all credit reporting agencies.

posted November 28, 2011 05:53 PM            

this is not a stuffed elephant unable to accommodate to change. it is a living movement made up of so many fragments that your insistence that they were "organized by leftists" is also off base.

in the meantime i repeat what shura said, and i have said in the past, your "free market" is not operating right now. it is more and more sewn up by those so big the rest of us small fry either sit under the table catching crumbs, or allow ourselves to be the banquet.

of course it is not ALL sewn up yet, but it gets closer daily. with bills to allow the military to arrest and detain anyone on "terrorist" pretexts, and keep them indefinitely, anywhere in the world, it is looking very ugly.

posted November 28, 2011 05:58 PM            

never mind that tea partiers carried weapons into their disruptive sessions, these "kids"(many nothing of the sort) and "hippies" (ditto) should not misbehave in the name of civil rights.

"I long to hear that you have declared an independency. And, by the way, in the new code of laws which I suppose it will be necessary for you to make, I desire you would remember the ladies and be more generous and favorable to them than your ancestors. Do not put such unlimited power into the hands of the husbands. Remember, all men would be tyrants if they could. If particular care and attention is not paid to the ladies, we are determined to foment a rebellion, and will not hold ourselves bound by any laws in which we have no voice or representation" abigail adams

posted November 28, 2011 06:05 PM            

Jwhop Occupy is just a movement. You either support it or like you've vitriolically stated in your posts you don't. This world is complicated. This movement is not about political ideologies such as Communism or Marxism or Socialism, it's about concerns related to the well being of humanity and the natural environment. People choosing to make demonstrations in favor of a global economic, societal and political revolution. The demands of Occupy maybe vague and their hopes idealistic but that's what makes the movement authentic and keeps it relevant.

posted November 28, 2011 06:37 PM            

good stream here. (though there are better ones too - sometimes this one doesnt have enough live coverage)

posted November 28, 2011 06:47 PM            

We'll get there. Only a matter of time.

posted November 28, 2011 06:49 PM            

Sure to be a bumpy ride.

posted November 28, 2011 06:53 PM            

hahahah

.....or away too soon.

mwhahaha

posted November 28, 2011 07:24 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by T:
Joan, it's true that most people don't "get" what the movement's about yet (especially those over the age of 35). The "demands" they have, that I've read coming through MSM, so far, are quite comical.

We'll get there. Only a matter of time.

Great time to be alive. Very Pluto in Capricorn energies about...

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T! Yes it truly is only a matter of time. We'll continue to spread the message, get people thinking about issues that matter and that directly impact our lives.