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juniperb
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posted September 04, 2012 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AG, It is a plus of course. I still believe Biden used a poor example because too many unrelated to GM need work.

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AcousticGod
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posted September 04, 2012 10:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We all understand that there are plenty of people needing work, but it is a fine example of one of the ways the tide was stemmed. Ford also feared at the time that the collapse of GM and Chrysler would have devastated it's business.

We find ourselves in a position that is akin to having our burning house put out by firemen. Now Conservatives are asking, "Are you better off than you were before?" "I guess I'm better than if my house were still burning down, but that's not saying much." That's where we are. The fire's out. The administration would love to help you put your home back together, but it's literally bleeding cash, and only some people in government would consider your new house a spending priority.

If you just lost wealth via stock market investment, your recovery would have been the most robust of all. A person like Mitt did just fine under Obama. Lost stock value, regained stock value. Company leaders, too. Lost stock value, regained stock value. If your wealth was in your house, though, or if you were just an employee...you had far more to lose, and not many helping hands have been extended.

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PixieJane
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posted September 04, 2012 10:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looks like someone "helped Romney out":

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-rom ney-20120829

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The FDIC documents make clear what happened next: "Soon after the founders sold their equity," analysts reported, "business began to drop off." First came scandal: In the late 1980s, a Bain consultant became a key figure in an illegal stock manipulation scheme in London. The firm's reputation took a hit, and it fired 10 percent of its consulting force. By the time the 1989 recession began, Bain & Company found itself going broke fast. Cash flows weren't enough to service the debt imposed by the founders, and the firm could barely make payroll. In a panic, Bill Bain tapped Romney, his longtime protégé, to take the reins.

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In the end, the government surrendered. At the time, The Boston Globe cited bankers dismissing the bailout as "relatively routine" – but the federal documents reveal it was anything but. The FDIC agreed to accept nearly $5 million in cash to retire $15 million in Bain's debt – an immediate government bailout of $10 million. All told, the FDIC estimated it would recoup just $14 million of the $30 million that Romney's firm owed the government.

It was a raw deal – but Romney's threat to loot his own firm had left the government with no other choice. If the FDIC had pushed Bain into bankruptcy, the records reveal, the agency would have recouped just $3.56 million from the firm.

The Romney campaign refused to respond to questions for this article; a spokeswoman said only that "Mitt Romney turned around Bain & Company by getting all parties to come to the table and make difficult decisions." But while taxpayers did not finance the bailout, the debt forgiven by the government was booked as a loss to the FDIC – and then recouped through higher insurance premiums from banks. And banks, of course, are notorious for finding ways to pass their costs along to customers, usually in the form of higher fees. Thanks to the nature of the market, in other words, the bailout negotiated by Romney ultimately wound up being paid by the American people.

Even as consumers took a loss, however, a small group of investors wound up getting a good deal in the bailout. Bain Capital – the very firm that had triggered the crisis in the first place – walked away with $4 million. That was the fee it charged Bain & Company for loaning the consulting firm the services of its chief executive – one Willard Mitt Romney


Btw, this should be of interest, too:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30260.htm

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Activists are expressing serious concerns that Mitt Romney’s private equity firm Bain Capital owns one of America’s largest media conglomerates, Clear Channel Communications, Inc., which broadcasts numerous popular talk-show hosts with incalculable influence in the 2012 GOP primary. Among the radio personalities syndicated by Clear Channel or aired on hundreds of stations it owns nationwide are Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, and many others.

Because of the San Antonio-based media giant’s enormous influence — it is the largest owner of radio stations in the United States, and experts point out that it essentially owns what has come to be known as the conservative talk-radio industry — Romney critics, supporters of Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, Tea Party groups, and elections commentators are all raising the alarm. Some analysts are even calling for the firm to disclose the fact that Romney’s Bain Capital owns a station or syndicates a show whenever a media personality is reporting on the Republican presidential campaign.

Former Politico.com reporter Ben Smith, now the editor-in-chief of BuzzFeed, called out Rush Limbaugh on Thursday for defending Romney and Bain Capital without disclosing that his employer is owned by the candidate’s firm. “Talk radio king Rush Limbaugh has emerged as a key defender of Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital, where — his Republican and Democratic critics charge — layoffs at companies Bain owned should be blamed on Romney,” noted Smith. “But Limbaugh hasn’t mentioned his own tie to the venture capital firm: Bain owns Clear Channel Communications, whose subsidiary inked a $400 million, eight-year syndication deal with Limbaugh in 2008.”


Granted, that was taken from the JBS, but as much as I disagree with them on many things I have found that they tend to report on corporate shenanigans accurately (even if they seem to mistake crony capitalism for communism, at least they did when I read their lit over 10 years ago). I trust them on this subject more than I trust FOX or CNN anyway.

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katatonic
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posted September 04, 2012 10:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
romney is no longer bain, though he was there a lot longer than admitted...though i find it easy to imagine romney and rupert m bear in bed together, i don't see the connection here, pixie..from what i understand, FOX is the employer of most of those guys, though they may have a deal with clear channel for distribution??

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katatonic
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posted September 04, 2012 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
as to the government giving corporation breaks, randall, the GM bailout was not a handout, but a loan with strings attached, as jwhop has moaned and groaned for years now...and the money was repaid and the strings seemed to have helped them pull up those bootstraps,

the saving of GM was not just jobs for auto workers, but the whole region, and credibility in the auto industry too...plus all the ancillary industries that feed into the auto biz.

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