posted July 05, 2013 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:


Dear Pire, was so good to "triumphantly" be able to discuss this with you for 3 nano seconds earlier today, before some ppl woke up...

i know you won't agree, but we managed 3, and almost had a discussion, before all 'that' happened so let's have a minute of pride as we reflect on our mini victory earlier today, *wipes a silent single tear from the eye as reflecting and leaves this thread for now*

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Europe has its advantages indeed, one of them is we Wake up before Ami ann. that is priceless

posted July 05, 2013 05:20 PM            

These people want to import THEIR law here (and everywhere around the globe)
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posted July 05, 2013 05:26 PM            

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posted July 05, 2013 05:45 PM            

democracy, freedom, generalised interest of the civil society for politics... history in the making, live on tv and on record... this is huge, and imperfect.

at the time our democracies emerged, moral values were not what they are today. and if we looked retrospectively from our current stand point, we would judge those time backwards (slavery for exemple). but should the western democracies had waited moral perfection to emerge?

I say this are two different problems.

and maybe, to please ami, it shows the importance of islam in this region of the world to maintain a large scale good harmony between people, where religion shows what is right and what is wrong (weak people/ sheep need that- sheep isn't a religious symbol?).

posted July 05, 2013 05:53 PM            

It is for them, for now, but the ultimate plan is that it is for you

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posted July 05, 2013 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Anyway, you guys want to stay in denial, so I am going to threaten to go away. Beg me to stay

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posted July 05, 2013 05:58 PM            

In fact, I have some research to do for you all.

You can stay tuned. I know you love my research. Think of it as diversity. You all love that

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posted July 05, 2013 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
You all love that

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you wish.

and you can keep dreaming you'll change me

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posted July 05, 2013 07:34 PM            

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at the time our democracies emerged, moral values were not what they are today. and if we looked retrospectively from our current stand point, we would judge those time backwards (slavery for exemple). but should the western democracies had waited moral perfection to emerge?

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What do you think is the big difference in morals then and now?

I think democracy,the human race and politics / religons are not perfect but I do believe leaps and bounds have been made toward that goal. The ouster of Morsi indicates that IMHO.

They tried a goverment that fell to ruin so they move forward and try another. That`s rather how we do our Presidental choosing. Vote out the unsavory ones and pick a new one. Simplistic I know but the basics.

I do have sincere concern over their military rule. Is there an election in the works?

Islam as a whole isn`t the problem but to beat the drum , it is extreme factions that drive the force.
The brotherhood was corrupt and Egypt took one hecka of a chance and it failed. I hope other democracies take a long hard look and learn valuable lessons from it.
If not, it`s going to be a bloody mess.

posted July 05, 2013 08:04 PM            

They have no legal rights at all. They can be killed with no repercussion whatsoever. It would be if I threw away a dress. I know you don't want to hear this but it is true. This is Sharia Law.

I just read about two girls in a Sharia law country. I can't remember which one but they made a video of dancing in the rain. They had on the Muslim garb etc but they were enjoying the rain. They were all killed in an "honor killing"
If a woman disobeys a man, acid can be thrown in her face and there are no repercussions.

If a woman is raped, she is stoned to death for "sex outside marriage."

Girls are married off as little children. They are "wives" of older men. I read about a girl of 5-8 who had sex with her husband. He couldn't fit in so he cut her open and the next morning she was dead.There were no repercussions.
This is their WAY of life, not isolated incidents.

It goes on and on in the news that you don't want to see and I have not put up but it is there whether or not you want to be in denial.

You do not understand the oppression of these people and the system which oppresses them.

This is Sharia Law.

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posted July 05, 2013 08:08 PM            

If a woman disobeys a man, the religious leaders tell him to beat her. This is taught in the Mosques.

These societies are like the Godfather. They cannot have outside influences of "do-gooders" to change them. They rule with iron law.

The Terrorists are doing the terror because they want Sharia Law everyplace. That means in the US.

They come in as peaceful and peace loving but that is the guise to get into a society and then they start demanding "rights".

It is very foolish to think you can transport our freedoms to them. The iron hold of the Extremists will not be broken. They rule by terror. They are in charge.

You people have to wake up but you won't.

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posted July 05, 2013 08:36 PM            

well, owning another human like we own a pet today, until 1865 in the US. the people of that time didn't conider themselves unable to create their democracy, regardless of how humane we perceive them today. therefore morals are not linked with political awareness.

I think democracy,the human race and politics / religons are not perfect but I do believe leaps and bounds have been made toward that goal. The ouster of Morsi indicates that IMHO.

yes I agree, and internet (Facebook, tweeter, videos from mobiles... have changed the entire world) although the whole world will not become american, or european.

They tried a goverment that fell to ruin so they move forward and try another. That`s rather how we do our Presidental choosing. Vote out the unsavory ones and pick a new one. Simplistic I know but the basics.

well, I am glad the population took the street a second time (with the army's help) but we easily forget that morsi had been elected. we forget when it suits us (in my case I am very happy and I admit accepting bending the rules of democracy here)

I do have sincere concern over their military rule. Is there an election in the works?

yes, élections should come up, at least that is how it was presented. may be if events moved to a civil war because the muslim brotherhood refused to be eliminated, then election would be postponed.. but regarding the military ruling, we should say that the Egyptian military elite is heavily connected with the US gov, according to the news I heard. not saying it is any good, just saying they are not ennemies of the west.

Islam as a whole isn`t the problem but to beat the drum , it is extreme factions that drive the force.
The brotherhood was corrupt and Egypt took one hecka of a chance and it failed. I hope other democracies take a long hard look and learn valuable lessons from it.
If not, it`s going to be a bloody mess.

posted July 05, 2013 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
ami ann shut up. plain and simple. this thread isn't about delusion over islam. get out of this thread please. open a new one where you will spew your hate.

thanks

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YOU are the hater because no one can help these people or anyone else if they are in denial.

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posted July 05, 2013 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
YOU are the hater because no one can help these people or anyone else if they are in denial.

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posted July 05, 2013 08:58 PM            

Usually people's vested interest is that they hate the Jews BUT if every Jew was wiped off the face of the earth, Sharia Law would not budge an inch. None of this would.

Anyway, I can't take it anymore. Goodnight, Pire.

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posted July 06, 2013 03:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Pire
WHY do you want to be in denial of actual events and actual news?
What is the vested interest you have? There has to be one. There always is. [b]What is yours?[/B]

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I wonder why you hate muslims soo much...

I mean do you think that believing in such extreme views will bring friends to your doorstep? Or are you trying to use it as justification for the fact you have no one? (i think "the truth" and no one likes me becuse of it but im special)

posted July 06, 2013 07:20 AM            

They want to make the world a better place.

In fact, someone dear to me, on here, told me he was a Muslim and I was surprised and humbled and understood the Moderate Muslim more.

However, the Extremists want Sharia law everyplace. That are making every society ugly with their terrorism. They are in Sweden, Australia, India, Africa, Pakistan, Indonesia

The people who won't SEE this have to have some agenda. The only one I can see is hatred of the Jews and deep, deep seated hatred from years and years and passed down from families.

Anti Semitism is in the hearts of many men. It it there for several reasons. One is that God allowed it so the Jews could stay as a unique group over 1000's of years.

Other reasons are jealousy for our success.

However, the people who will not see the agenda of the Extreme Muslim are repeating old hatred against the Jews. The ultimate end of Extreme Muslim thought and action is the destruction of Israel, every Jew everywhere, every Christian and every other faith, including Moderate Muslims.

I don't need to tell you this. Open your eyes

This is why. If every Jew, everywhere, not just in Israel were vaporized, the Extreme Muslims would celebrate for a day, as they did in 9-11. However, the next day, the would be destroying every free society again.

They want Sharia law --EVERYWHERE. That means you.

When they come to the US with the woman all covered. They don't want the woman to become like you. They want you to become like them in ALL that entails, which means the rights of a woman in Sharia Law.

I told you a little of what that means above.

Furthermore, if you won't face Radical Muslims and what that all means--you have to examine why you hate the Jews.

You can talk to me about it. You can ask me questions. Anything is OK.

You need to examine yourselves

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posted July 06, 2013 07:33 AM            

This world is coming down to this core battle and this core issue. Each country will choose a side, as it is.
Choose the right side, Friends.

I need a break from this topic. Hope you all have a good day.

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posted July 06, 2013 08:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I guess my last word is that each person will have to choose a side.

This world is coming down to this core battle and this core issue. Each country will choose a side, as it is.
Choose the right side, Friends.

I need a break from this topic. Hope you all have a good day.

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Now thats the example.
Complete inability to understand a spectrum of opinions...instead focusing on 2 that are somewhat relevant to her (one "for" her and one "against") and wishing death to the other side.

I already read what you wrote and you make no such distinction between muslims and extremists (which are not only muslims) while being an extremist yourself ( you wish death to self)

Also complete inability to understand ones impresson on other since one is covered by hypocricy one cannot understand herself even.

Showing very extreme and delusional views while accusing others of being such.

When challanged and finds herself unable to defend her position with actual facts since her opinions are mostly empty and not fully understood by herself (delusion again) she either posts a "copy-paste" response showing no real intellect behind it or lashes out at others who she despises for not believing her views or challanges them (lots and lots of splitting).

Result: person is unstable emotionally and uses online pathways to express delusion and hatred since one rarely can be punished online.

Lack of any social activity leaves large gaps of time left spent on useless obssession with preaching and "telling truth".