posted July 05, 2013 01:51 AM            

I find it surprising that nobody discusses events in Egypt on LL. what is happening right now is way more important than the last article about drone, spying or obama's shoe's color.

a country that took the street 1 year ago, against an army controlled stated, that claimed peacefully it's liberty, a country that demanded democracy with no civil war, and decided one year after its first democratic élections to get rid of the new regime because it didn't answer to the expectations of the people...

the egyptian people shows to the world what democracy means, while in the west, we pretend we discover our democracy spy on us?

what is democracy in 2013? having the right to choose between big mac or mac bacon?

what is the west able to teach to the world? really?

french revolution started in 1789 and quickly become known Under the name of "the terror" due to the endless number of heads that rolled on the floor. it then got replaced, successively, by napoleon (emperor), 3 Kings, and another emperor (napoleon's nephew). it was 80 years after the revolution that things settled down in France.

Whereas in egypt, a supposedly dangerous country because filled with extermist according to the dangerous christian extremist, well, in such a country, the population marched in the Streets twice ine a year, once against an army controlled state, then to get rid of a government made up by hard line islamists (although their incompetence in regards to economics was the trigger for the vast majority of the people). it shows that a country that lives by religion, regardless if it is islam or another, can choose its government (1st important point) on another basis than just the religion. if all arabs are extremist because they are arabs, then egypt shows egyptians are extremely democratic.

posted July 05, 2013 02:05 AM            

for the record, on wednesday 3rd of july, date of the events of this "second" revolution, the army acted on the wishes of the population by arresting Morsi and other heads of the muslim brotherhood.

it then let the representative of the copts of egypts (christian), of the mulsim and of the laics speak and give their support. therefore a comment such as this one posted by ami is a down right misinformation :

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No other religion is allowed such as Christians who are being murdered daily, on the streets.

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that day, I was listening to the events on the radion, and the copt "pope" gave his support, then the head of the alazar mosque (more or less head of the muslim in egypt) then ohamed el baradei (peace nobel prize and ex director of IAEA) representing the laics.

posted July 05, 2013 02:25 AM            

Also ironic how it is the same person getting all the other threads closed, and then posting 7 million other posts, that are either satire, or plain silly, or worst than racists, even KKK members probably wouldn't post such stuff on public forum.

Anyway good for you on Egypt, *ahem* I actually knew the army would do that since last year, but was patiently waiting so that people can see for themselves what this so called brotherhood would do...Egyptians are lucky that there army really likes its people.

Now waiting to see how this Turkey thing pans out, and for Brazil about time the people there realised how mega rich their country, and how corrupt the people who were using it all this time really are and to which level!

posted July 05, 2013 05:04 AM            

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Originally posted by jellyfishtry:

True true Pire, also surprised no one is discussing Turkey or Brazil here.

Also ironic how it is the same person getting all the other threads closed, and then posting 7 million other posts, that are either satire, or plain silly, or worst than racists, even KKK members probably wouldn't post such stuff on public forum.

Anyway good for you on Egypt, *ahem* I actually knew the army would do that since last year, but was patiently waiting so that people can see for themselves what this so called brotherhood would do...Egyptians are lucky that there army really likes its people.

Now waiting to see how this Turkey thing pans out, and for Brazil about time the people there realised how mega rich their country, and how corrupt the people who were using it all this time really are and to which level!

PS (also met enough Egyptians copts/muslims to know they are really 'spiritual' more than religious, but a person hiding behind a book, to hide something about themselves wouldn't know the difference would they so just ignore such person....)

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posted July 05, 2013 08:01 AM            

Recap from locked thread:
I thought this article was a good synopsis from :

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"You are the source of power and legitimacy," he told the crowd. Nothing stands above "the will of the people. The nation is the source of all power. It grants and withdraws power."

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"The forceful removal of the nation's first democratically-elected civilian president risks sending a message to Islamists that they have no place in the political order; sowing fears among them that they will suffer yet another bloody crackdown; and thus potentially prompting violent, even desperate resistance by Morsi's followers,"

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http://news.yahoo.com/ap-analysis-morsis-fall-blow-islamists-021241783.html

Certainly we haven`t heard the end of the story yet. The democracy angle makes one stop and think.
I haven`t followed up on the current events since the ouster so this is all I have now.

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posted July 05, 2013 08:25 AM            

Find another outlet for your religious fervor please.

posted July 05, 2013 08:35 AM            

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Originally posted by juniperb:
AA, I`m requesting if you can`t discuss without being a snot or trolling the thread , please refrain.

Find another outlet for your religious fervor [b]please.

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posted July 05, 2013 08:37 AM            

There will never be democracy in Egypt.

All the money went down the tubes, as I said it would. There will never be democracy because there are too many factions. There are factions within factions.

The Extremists have factions within themselves. They will kill each other for small differences in religious practices. When there is no one else to fight, the Extremists will kill each other like in Syria where there are bloodbaths.

If Israel were bombed out of existence, nothing would change. It is not about any group of hated people, it is about their factions. You have to study this if you want to be informed. It is fine to be all high and mighty but that is not reality.

No small difference in allowed in any Extremist group and if you are another religion, you are killed( and your whole family, too)

That is reasonable and that is how it is, Juni. You may not like that because you want to see from eyes that want to see a certain outcome, so everything you SEE you won't face

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posted July 05, 2013 09:02 AM            

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A military statement late Thursday appeared to signal a wider wave of arrests was not in the offing. A spokesman, Col. Ahmed Mohammed Ali, said in a Facebook posting that that the army and security forces will not take "any exceptional or arbitrary measures" against any political group.

The military has a "strong will to ensure national reconciliation, constructive justice and tolerance," he wrote. He spoke against "gloating" and vengeance, saying only peaceful protests will be tolerated and urging Egyptians not to attack Brotherhood offices to avert an "endless cycle of revenge

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Dare we dream ?
http://news.yahoo.com/egypts-brotherhood-calls-protests-friday-053145443.html

posted July 05, 2013 09:32 AM            

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You have to study this if you want to be informed. It is fine to be all high and mighty but that is not reality.

You may not like that because you want to see from eyes that want to see a certain outcome, so everything you SEE you won't face

Anyway, I have had it trying to discuss this with you. I am done.

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When you can discuss without making it personal and demeaning , please do come back.

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posted July 05, 2013 09:37 AM            

I mean-- is this Forum just for Juni's Point of view or can other people give actual news stories? Does the actual news need to be censored for Juni?

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posted July 05, 2013 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Maybe the name should be changed to Politically Correct Global unity. I mean, do people actually have discussions about the FACTS here? I am talking actual [b] news from the region from news bureaus.

I mean-- is this Forum just for Juni's Point of view or can other people give actual news stories? Does the actual news need to be censored for Juni?

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Your actual "news stories" are either false, satire, reek of racism or worse. People have cared and pointed it out to you time & time again. Instead of learning you bull forward.

Remember, it is not the posters or me you are crapping on but but rather Lindaland and Randall.

posted July 05, 2013 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by pire:
a country that took the street 1 year ago, against an army controlled stated, that claimed peacefully it's liberty, a country that demanded democracy with no civil war, and decided one year after its first democratic élections to get rid of the new regime because it didn't answer to the expectations of the people...

the egyptian people shows to the world what democracy means, while in the west, we pretend we discover our democracy spy on us?

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(CNN) -- Last week, a 22-year-old Dutch journalist was gang-raped in Tahrir Square and had to undergo surgery for severe injuries. The assault reminds us yet again of an often overlooked aspect of the Egyptian revolution.

When Egyptians overthrew their dictator in 2011, one of the first celebratory acts in Tahrir Square included the gang beating and sexual assault of American journalist Lara Logan, who, like the Dutch journalist, landed in the hospital.

The Logan rape has always been portrayed as another unfortunate byproduct of mob violence. In fact, it was much more than that. It was a warning shot fired by men whose political beliefs are founded on a common pillar: Women must stay out of the public square.

One of the hallmarks of revolutionary victory in Tahrir Square has always been rape and sexual harassment. Mobs of men routinely set upon women, isolating, stripping and groping. No one is ever arrested or held accountable, and elected officials shrug their shoulders and blame the victims.

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Egypt has always been a place where life for women is nasty and brutish, if not short. Last year, a UNICEF survey showed 91% of Egyptian women between the ages of 15-49 said they had to undergo female genital mutilation. The United Nations Entity for Gender Equality in May reported that 99.3% of Egyptian women interviewed said they had been subjected to some form of sexual violence. Rape victims almost never go to the hospital and certainly not the police. There are no medical protocols for rape, and police treat female victims as prostitutes.

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posted July 05, 2013 11:32 AM            

My actual news stories of the Middle East could NOT be made up. They are actual events from news in the Middle East.

Obama is one thing. He is a horrible travesty but that is another story, altogether.

There is news story upon news story about what is actually happening in Egypt, Syria, and all around the Middle East.

If people want to live in a cocoon that bears no semblance to reality, that is a poor and silly choice but it is a clear choice

George Orwell said that in times of tyranny, truth will be the new hate speech

Blessings to you, Juni

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posted July 05, 2013 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My actual news stories of Obama may or may not be MSM. Many things about Obama do not get to the MSM. If YOU only believe the MSM, you are a fool, Juni

My actual news stories of the Middle East could NOT be made up. They are actual events from news in the Middle East.

Obama is one thing. He is a horrible travesty but that is another story, altogether.

There is news story upon news story about what is actually happening in Egypt, Syria, and all around the Middle East.

If people want to live in a cocoon that bears no semblance to reality, that is a poor and silly choice but it is a clear [b]choice

George Orwell said that in times of tyranny, truth will be the new hate speech

Blessings to you, Juni

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nah its just your interpretation of what you think is going on.

posted July 05, 2013 01:16 PM            

Go back to your regularly scheduled programming

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posted July 05, 2013 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
My actual news stories of Obama may or may not be MSM. Many things about Obama do not get to the MSM. If YOU only believe the MSM, you are a fool, Juni

My actual news stories of the Middle East could NOT be made up. They are actual events from news in the Middle East.

Obama is one thing. He is a horrible travesty but that is another story, altogether.

There is news story upon news story about what is actually happening in Egypt, Syria, and all around the Middle East.

If people want to live in a cocoon that bears no semblance to reality, that is a poor and silly choice but it is a clear [b]choice

George Orwell said that in times of tyranny, truth will be the new hate speech

Blessings to you, Juni

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You are entitled to your opinion but not entitled to force it on another. You, especially as a mod, are NOT entitled to call others names.

I will not let this forum be blown up like another. You do not have me by the short hairs and I owe you nothing except the courtesy you extend me and others. Or not.

Your false face of blessings, sunshine and rainbows fools no one. So please, when in GU, act like a mod should, be considerate of others and quit being a bully. If you don`t like me or the posters, quietly close the door .It`s that simple.

Remember, it is up to you how full Randall`s inbox gets.

posted July 05, 2013 02:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
[QUOTE](CNN) -- Last week, a 22-year-old Dutch journalist was gang-raped in Tahrir Square and had to undergo surgery for severe injuries. The assault reminds us yet again of an often overlooked aspect of the Egyptian revolution.

When Egyptians overthrew their dictator in 2011, one of the first celebratory acts in Tahrir Square included the gang beating and sexual assault of American journalist Lara Logan, who, like the Dutch journalist, landed in the hospital.

The Logan rape has always been portrayed as another unfortunate byproduct of mob violence. In fact, it was much more than that. It was a warning shot fired by men whose political beliefs are founded on a common pillar: Women must stay out of the public square.

[b]One of the hallmarks of revolutionary victory in Tahrir Square has always been rape and sexual harassment. Mobs of men routinely set upon women, isolating, stripping and groping. No one is ever arrested or held accountable, and elected officials shrug their shoulders and blame the victims.

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Egypt has always been a place where life for women is nasty and brutish, if not short. Last year, a UNICEF survey showed 91% of Egyptian women between the ages of 15-49 said they had to undergo female genital mutilation. The United Nations Entity for Gender Equality in May reported that 99.3% of Egyptian women interviewed said they had been subjected to some form of sexual violence. Rape victims almost never go to the hospital and certainly not the police. There are no medical protocols for rape, and police treat female victims as prostitutes.

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Indeed and a sad state of human affairs.

This is a one of many reasons we should appreciate the fact we live in America, are protected by Laws and the Constitution.
Certainly we may grouse about what we see as unfair, unconstitutional and wrong with this country ie Gender inequality, racism, patriot act, need for jobs and so on is on every ones mind.

Important to be concerned about but also we need to take the time and be grateful we do not have to fear what these women fear.
We do live in relative freedom and I am grateful for that!

posted July 05, 2013 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by pire:
Faith I would like to answer you but since ami ann decided to derail the thread I will have to wait.when she's done disrupting the thread I'll get back to you .

Besides i am at work and on my phone, not easy

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Dear Pire, was so good to "triumphantly" be able to discuss this with you for 3 nano seconds earlier today, before some ppl woke up...