posted July 07, 2013 12:39 PM            

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I was really surprised to hear you say you were a Christian, Shura. If you are, you need to face things. God is love and God is TRUTH

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An almost perfect score on the logic section of the GRE, Ami?

That explains your stellar use of the No True Scotman logical fallacy.

Thank you so much for demonstrating!

posted July 07, 2013 12:40 PM            

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posted July 07, 2013 12:41 PM            

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posted July 07, 2013 12:43 PM            

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posted July 07, 2013 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I will be back later, Guys. I have a life

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Third time she's said this. Wonder if she'll stick to it this time ...

posted July 07, 2013 12:58 PM            

I am honest. You did subterfuge, not a direct lie. CAN you speak directly? That is the bigger question

Anyway, guess what? I am practicing because I am going to be a professional back ground singer in my friends band. I am so excited

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posted July 07, 2013 02:02 PM            

Mods don`t call others liars.

Is that censoring?

posted July 07, 2013 02:10 PM            

At any rate, no, you have not censored free speech, yet. Good job. Keep up the excellent work of allowing free speech in GU.
Blessings to you, Juni

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posted July 07, 2013 02:15 PM            

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posted July 07, 2013 02:16 PM            

Shura did not lie. She did subterfuge I admitted I used the wrong word for it.

You have not censored yet. That is good. Keep it up.

What is wrong with any of that?

Anyway, I don't know what your problem is, Juni. People have different points of view. That is what this Forum is about.

If you can point out one thing I did wrong, please do.

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posted July 07, 2013 02:35 PM            

A Moderator of a Forum with different points of view needs the maturity to handle that. If not, they should not moderate a Forum that is supposed to be there for diversity because there can be no diversity

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posted July 07, 2013 03:14 PM            

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Juni
To me, a Moderator is supposed to allow everyone to talk as long as that person follows decorum. I don't think a Moderator is allowed to pick on people with points of view different from what she has and side with people with the same point of view in very obvious ways

A Moderator of a Forum with different points of view needs the maturity to handle that. If not, they should not moderate a Forum that is supposed to be there for diversity because there can be no [b]diversity

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Don't misinform people for your OWN purposes, Shura. I hate lies. If you can't tell the truth, don't talk

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You best not start talks that are way out of your league, Shura

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posted July 07, 2013 03:17 PM            

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Lets start there and you have to answer the question ASKED, not change the subject. How stupid do you think I am?

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for someone who cant handle a conversation without being pointed everything while scream how a smart gemini sun you are? unbelievebly stupid.

posted July 08, 2013 07:59 AM            

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That explains your stellar use of the No True Scotman logical fallacy.

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posted July 08, 2013 09:46 AM            

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US Egypt Policies Don't Pass the Laugh Test
Thursday July 4, 2013
A military coup in Egypt yesterday resulted in the removal and imprisonment of the elected president, Mohamed Morsi, a closure of media outlets sympathetic to him, the house arrest of his advisors, and the suspension of the constitution. The military that overthrew Morsi is the main recipient of the $1.3 billion yearly US aid package to Egypt. You could say that the US “owns” the Egyptian military that just overthrew its democratically-elected leader.

The hypocrisy of the US administration on these events in Egypt is stunning. As the New York Times reported today:

President Obama urged the military to move quickly to return Egypt to a democratically elected government, saying, ‘We are deeply concerned by the decision of the Egyptian Armed Forces to remove President Morsi and suspend the Egyptian Constitution.’ The president notably did not refer to the military’s takeover as a coup — a phrase that would have implications for the $1.3 billion a year in American military aid to Egypt.

Well, Egypt had a democratically-elected government, but it was overthrown by the US-funded Egyptian military!

Let’s review US policy toward Egypt to see the foolish hypocrisy of the government’s interventionism: First the US props up the unelected Hosni Mubarak for decades, spending tens of billions of dollars to keep him in power. Then the US provides assistance to those who in 2011 successfully overthrew Mubarak. Then the US demands an election. The Egyptians held an election that was deemed free and fair and shortly afterward the US-funded military overthrows the elected president. Then the US government warns the military that it needs to restore democracy – the very democracy that was destroyed by military coup! All the while the US government will not allow itself to utter the word “coup” when discussing what happened in Egypt yesterday because it would mean they might have to stop sending all those billions of dollars to Egypt.

All this they do with a straight face. We are not supposed to notice the insanity of their foreign policy.

-Ron Paul

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Cairo, Egypt (CNN) -- More than 40 people were killed Monday when Egyptian security forces clashed with supporters of deposed President Mohamed Morsy and the Muslim Brotherhood, the government said.

Witnesses said the military and police fired when protesters had taken a break from holding a vigil at the Republican Guard headquarters to say their morning prayers. Morsy was reportedly detained there after his arrest Wednesday.

The Health Ministry put the number of fatalities at 42 and said 322 others were wounded.

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posted July 08, 2013 09:58 AM            

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I have not put up stories I see every day from legitimate Christian groups which go to these countries to help these poor people.

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Do those Christian groups note that it's even more tragic to drone innocent people to death with our heavily Christian-influenced military than to let them live under sharia law? I wonder.

posted July 08, 2013 10:28 AM            

So an on topic anecdote ... I have just one friend in Egypt, in Cairo. She and her fiancée have been active in the protests. She tells me this is the "real" revolution. The Egyptians would not accept Tantawi because he was a "symbol of the old regime" and his leadership would mean "Mubarek's still in power." Morsi is the result of US interference. Not surprisingly these protests are as much in response to US involvement in Egyptian affairs as anything else. The general feeling, at least according to my friend, being that the US is "incapable of having normal global relations" with foreign countries.

posted July 08, 2013 11:53 AM            

it is an extremist party "à la française" so obviously the discourse is slightly different than that of Ami, but when I argue with her, I find the same rethoric and use of lies, manipulations... to a certain extent the muslim brotherhood a alike, too. when they claim to be the victim of a coup d'etat, while it is not a military coup but a popular civil revolution that got the support of the army.

the kind of victim's rethoric that is used to advance an agenda is similar in all these cases, and it does have the power to drive me nuts.

this sort of extremist populism, always stigmatising islam, portray it as a dangerous religion... it drives me nuts. Ami is the same than marine le pen, except marine le pen is as much against the jewish as she hates the muslim. she a nationalist, wants to get out of the EU... but because most of the politicians in France come from an elite, and people do not recognize themselves in them, they speak a political language, and do more or less the same liberal politics, marine le pen is gaining strengh in the french population. I fear she gets elected with her populist solution to stop imigration, start segregate between good frenchs and the others... Ami has the same discourse, using fear and hiding behind lies. it really gets on my nerve.

I think we are enough educated people to discuss things in depth without being side tracked by populist ideas.

if anything, this thread called 'the irony of GU" is as much a way of discussing the situation of Egypt as a way to name what really bothers me, and scares me, which is populist, nationalist, right wing ideas developped here and there, and using always the same rethoric to shut people up, telling them how they do not understand reality, how they are the only one saying the truth and wanting our own good. I say NO, don't pretend to know more what is good for me btter than me, thanks.

from this perspecetive, it seems what is going on in Egypt is in tune with our time. and when Juni said she feared for the future of Egypt, I do fear the same but for the future of France.

may be we should be aware of the possible pitfalls that await us here and there, and keep faith in a good outcome. talking about Faith, well that is a reason why I don't suscribe to your way of thinking Faith, because Under the disguise of advancing ideals of freedom, you use the same rethoric and the same mechanics of fear than the others to push forward your ideas. but a political position that stands on the principle that democracy is in danger entertain the idea that democracy is endangered. if the discourse is based on being against the ennemy of democracy, then democracy is still at stake. whereas I want to support groups that have real faith in it, that do not fear for it, because they know they have not to fear something bad since they are the only responsible for its outcome...

may we, knowflakes, be part of it, and GU has to do its share in that direction, and not hide behind the mask of protecting the freedom of speech, when really the issue is bigger.

posted July 08, 2013 12:21 PM            

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Juni:

I think we all feel for you. *hug*

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Quite.

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