posted September 03, 2013 10:53 PM            

The ostensible purpose for these wars..to eradicate the threat of radical Islam...is merely propaganda and at odds with the US's actual interests and results. It doesn't matter if a country's leader is Muslim or not, if their government is secular or not, all that matters is compliance with US demands. Simple!

I think Iran is the real target. "The road to Tehran is through Damascus." It doesn't matter to the U.S. what happens in Syria or Lebanon, our government doesn't care what's achieved with their governments being secularized or not: these countries are just coming under US attack because they surround Iran, and we want to occupy their land to intimidate Iran and get into position for another major, catastrophic war.

That's what it looks like to me.

posted September 03, 2013 11:06 PM            

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The arguments are spurious @ best. Every labour is different but i think it highly unlikely that a woman in labour would be addressing any crowd...however many women mistake braxton hicks for labour and/or dismiss widely separated labour pains as Braxton Hicks.

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Did you read any of the "spurious arguments"? Or did they just seem too spurious, from your psychic assessment, to even examine? Sounds like the latter. Well, here ya' go:

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And yet this wonder woman didn’t go to the hospital to make sure her child was ok, and was able to keep it together with almost preternatural calm, gave a public speech while undergoing labor pains – money quote from Going Rogue: “Big laughs. More contractions.” – took two flights back to Wasilla, gave birth, and then dashed back to work as if nothing had happened, with her body as amazing as it always is. We also have some independent evidence of how she appeared April 17 – 18. On her flight to Seattle, when, according to her, she was leaking amniotic fluid and experiencing contractions, the flight attendants had no idea what was going on....

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More from Sullivan:

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It seems to me we have two options. It’s possible that Palin simply made up her drama of labor, or exaggerated it for effect, when in fact it was a routine, if rare, pregnancy, and she had mild warnings that the birth may be premature, and she gussied that up into a tall tale of her pioneer spirit, guided by her doctor, who refused to take the NYT’s calls as soon as Palin hit the big time. I think that’s the likeliest explanation, given the sheer world-historical weirdness of the alternative.

But it’s also possible that she never had that baby at all. I mean, if you read the emails and independent reports above and were asked if this woman were in labor with a special needs child, and that her water had already broken, would you believe it? Just put all the facts in front of you and ask yourself that question.

So she is either a self-serving drama queen who didn’t realize her story would imply she put her child – and many others on the planes – at great risk and then winged it to make her story more plausible; or she is a fantastic hoaxer and liar at a world class meshugana level that, at some point, will make Weinergate look like a damp squib.

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posted September 03, 2013 11:20 PM            

Andrew Sullivan in an extremist leftist moron with a gigantic political ax to grind.

It is expected...at least in America, that rational citizens will take their brains out for exercise periodically.

posted September 04, 2013 07:20 AM            

I love people like you, you make me happier to be myself.

Maybe one reason Palin lies so godawful much, in really OBVIOUS ways (he who has ears to hear, let him hear) is because she has a Sun-Mars-Saturn stellium squaring a Neptune-Lilith conjunction. Let's just single out her sun square Neptune:

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At its most extreme, this aspect can lend its subjects towards deceit and a tendency to lie to get out of the hot seat.

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^ No, it's not the "final word," but it certainly applies in Palin's case.

And she has moon conjunct Mercury: you know, that can blur those lines between what a person realizes is objectively important and what just feels important, when it actually isn't.

For whatever reason, she's made some atrocious judgement calls and has a tendency to make things up as she goes along; it's as if she knows no other way of functioning.

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John McCain’s top campaign strategist said in an interview Sunday that Sarah Palin was dishonest as the GOP’s vice-presidential nominee and that her untruths have done long-term damage to her public image.

“There were numerous instances that she said things that were — that were not accurate that ultimately, the campaign had to deal with,” said Steve Schmidt in an interview broadcast on CBS’s “60 Minutes.” “And that opened the door to criticism that she was being untruthful and inaccurate. And I think that is something that continues to this day.”

Schmidt cited an ethics report on the then-Alaska governor from her home state on an investigation into whether she had improperly used her government position.

“She went out and said, you know, ‘This report completely exonerates me,’” Schmidt said. “And in fact, it — it didn’t. You know it’s the equivalent of saying down is up and up is down. It was provably, demonstrably untrue.”

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posted September 04, 2013 08:24 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
There's not a scintilla of evidence to support your...and Andrew Sullivan's crackpot theory about Sarah Palin and Trig.

Andrew Sullivan in an extremist leftist moron with a gigantic political ax to grind.

It is expected...at least in America, that rational citizens will take their brains out for exercise periodically.

If you would believe this garbage and repeat it, then there's no manure you wouldn't believe and spread.

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Thank God, Jwhop came to educate you, Faith.

You should thank your lucky stars.

I had given up on you people but now I have come back to GU, too.

You almost lost me. Getting me back is something you should be thankful for, as well.

You see, two blessings and the day just started

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posted September 04, 2013 08:26 AM            

Anyone surprised to learn that AIPAC is calling for an attack on Syria?

Reporting the obvious here:

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Capitol Hill sources believe that the explicit backing of AIPAC will help the president collect votes at a time when the fate of his use-of-force authorization remains unclear.

The word “Israel” appears nowhere in the text of the statement, underscoring by omission the worry pro-Israel groups in the United States have about framing retaliatory strikes in a way that makes it look like Israel is pushing for an attack on Syria for its own interests.

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posted September 04, 2013 08:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank God, Jwhop came to educate you, Faith.

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Oh you are TOO CUTE, Ami!

posted September 04, 2013 08:45 AM            

PS Libra ASC will take anything and turn it into a compliment

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posted September 04, 2013 08:51 AM            

He, and others on McCains campaign staff have been attempting to shift blame to Sarah Palin for years. But, that won't fly and here's the reason.

During that campaign, it was Sarah Palin who pulled in the big crowds at campaign stops. It wasn't John McCain. And, it was Schmidt..and others who attempted to rein in Palin who was beating the hell out of the Marxist Messiah on the campaign trail. They sniped at Palin from within the campaign and provided so called leaks to willing accomplices in the slobbering O'Bomber press.

I notice this comes from Politico...another far left loon site so it's not worth spit.

Let me tell you, the far left loons are not in the least afraid of Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul or any other potential Republican presidential candidate.

Sarah Palin makes the leftist loon establishment and republican establishment wet themselves. Palin is not any part of the existing entrenched political establishment..demoscat or republican. She's not under their control and despises the bloated out of control government they've both contributed to.

Now Faith, how about ceasing and desisting in making unfocused...non specific allegations. You're sounding like the loons at move-on-dot-org. "Bush lied, people died".

What did Sarah lie about when she attacked the Marxist Messiah...just for instance? That was the focus of the 2008 election...McCain/O'Bomber.

Btw, the Sarah Palin hating press spent months and a lot of loot attempting to dig up dirt on Sarah Palin in Alaska. They turned over every rock in sight...and FOUND NOTHING.

Your contention that Sarah Palin is a liar...based on her chart is just horseshiiit. The stars may incline but they do not compel.

Lastly, your allegation that Sarah Palin endangered Trig Palin is just 99.9999999% pure bullshiiiit.

posted September 04, 2013 08:57 AM            

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Originally posted by jwhop:
hahaha, above all others, Steve Schmidt is the reason John McCain lost the election in 2008.

He, and others on McCains campaign staff have been attempting to shift blame to Sarah Palin for years. But, that won't fly and here's the reason.

During that campaign, it was Sarah Palin who pulled in the big crowds at campaign stops. It wasn't John McCain. And, it was Schmidt..and others who attempted to rein in Palin who was beating the hell out of the Marxist Messiah on the campaign trail. They sniped at Palin from within the campaign and provided so called leaks to willing accomplices in the slobbering O'Bomber press.

I notice this comes from Politico...another far left loon site so it's not worth spit.

Let me tell you, the far left loons are not in the least afraid of Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul or any other potential Republican presidential candidate.

Sarah Palin makes the leftist loon establishment and republican establishment wet themselves. Palin is not any part of the existing entrenched political establishment..demoscat or republican. She's not under their control and despises the bloated out of control government they've both contributed to.

Now Faith, how about ceasing and desisting in making unfocused...non specific allegations. You're sounding like the loons at move-on-dot-org. "Bush lied, people died".

What did Sarah lie about when she attacked the Marxist Messiah...just for instance? That was the focus of the 2008 election...McCain/O'Bomber.

Btw, the Sarah Palin hating press spent months and a lot of loot attempting to dig up dirt on Sarah Palin in Alaska. They turned over every rock in sight...and FOUND NOTHING.

Your contention that Sarah Palin is a liar...based on her chart is just horseshiiit. The stars may incline but they do not compel.

Lastly, your allegation that Sarah Palin endangered Trig Palin is just 99.9999999% pure bullshiiiit.

The necessity of resorting to lies attempting to make your talking points means you've already lost the debate. Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass whether you like Palin or not. It's the lying I despise.

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I can't take Faith. I would pull my hair out if I was locked in a compartment with her.

Keep GU warm for me, Jwhop.

I will be back later

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posted September 04, 2013 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I can't take Faith. I would pull my hair out if I was locked in a compartment with her.

Keep GU warm for me, Jwhop.

I will be back later

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Is this Gemini gone bad? You are kind to me on some threads but stick daggers in my back on others.

I find it entertaining. It's almost as funny as jwhop's ignorant blabbering.

Jwhop:

posted September 04, 2013 09:43 AM            

I am positive the folks here can separate the ideology from the poster. So, lets keep it about the subject and not the poster.

Lets avoid arrows slung by using names or personal attacks, k !

posted September 04, 2013 09:57 AM            

Sorry Ami and jwhop, I got carried away and shouldn't have stooped to insulting you.

posted September 04, 2013 10:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Sorry Juni.

Sorry Ami and jwhop, I got carried away and shouldn't have stooped to insulting you.

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posted September 04, 2013 10:29 AM            

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How's your dog, is she eating the wheatgrass yet?

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Well, the dog wheat grass came up. It was really cute, in a little envelope.

I put some in her dish but she wasn't that thrilled.

My wheat grass is doing great though, Faith. I have it in my yard. It is one of the most amazing things I have ever done--growing it.

It is truly a life giving food.

Thanks for asking, Faith

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posted September 04, 2013 11:45 AM            

I have no time for Palin and I agree with you that she smacks of fake. However, even if she bragged about having contractions during the speech, some contractions are not worth writing home about and if they weren't too close then keeping going probably wasn't "endangerment" of the child.

Plus, if you want labour stories, I have a friend who had false alarms so many times that when she really went into labour she didn't believe it and only realized in time to get to the delivery room a few minutes before the baby was born. IT HAPPENS THAT PEOPLE MISTAKE THE NEARNESS OF DELIVERY, even experienced mothers.

Basically this is another story that a) involves a child who deserves a peaceful childhood and not to have the stigma of this kind of allegation attached to him

and b) it is not provable, and all the "facts" are circumstantial evidence. Nothing damning if you really want FACTS.

posted September 04, 2013 12:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:

I have no time for Palin and I agree with you that she smacks of fake. However, even if she bragged about having contractions during the speech, some contractions are not worth writing home about and if they weren't too close then keeping going probably wasn't "endangerment" of the child.

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There is no "if" here, really, she's told her story and it's vivid, gruesome, and unbelievable. And if I want to judge a woman severely for getting on a plane for a long flight after her water broke, when she was pregnant with a special needs child who was going to be born prematurely, I will. As you said, the labor could have sped up drastically...and she was going to be mid-flight, possibly, for a delivery? With which specialists on board to attend to the Down Syndrome baby?

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Plus, if you want labour stories, I have a friend who had false alarms so many times that when she really went into labour she didn't believe it and only realized in time to get to the delivery room a few minutes before the baby was born. IT HAPPENS THAT PEOPLE MISTAKE THE NEARNESS OF DELIVERY, even experienced mothers.

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Oh gee, as a mother of five who gave birth naturally each time, I never would have guessed this is possible. Thanks for the education and the capital letters to make it extra clear.

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Originally posted by Catalina:
b) it is not provable, and all the "facts" are circumstantial evidence. Nothing damning if you really want FACTS.

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Uhm...you obviously didn't look at the case, maybe because your screen is too small as you said. "Getting the drift" is not the same as checking out the full story. Since you are unwilling to be honest and clear about your level of familiarity with the topic, there's no point talking about it. Your opinions and conclusions here are just vague guesswork.

posted September 04, 2013 12:32 PM            

If it is not her child, then even she may have lied fir the best interest of her daughter, trig and herself. Plenty of people have done so in the past and that is not something I would hold against her. That she is a shill and lies to suit her ends will come out in much more relevant ways.

posted September 04, 2013 12:38 PM            

Though I don't know your whole story I do know you have a lot of kids, and you might consider that there is also danger to the mother in negligence of the kind you're accusing...another reason I suspect she was, basicakly, exaggerating her discomfort to look super brave and strong.

anyway from your own quote and the article itself even the author thinks my suspicions are the most likely:
It seems to me we have two options. It’s possible that Palin simply made up her drama of labor, or exaggerated it for effect, when in fact it was a routine, if rare, pregnancy, and she had mild warnings that the birth may be premature, and she gussied that up into a tall tale of her pioneer spirit, guided by her doctor, who refused to take the NYT’s calls as soon as Palin hit the big time. I think that’s the likeliest explanation, given the sheer world-historical weirdness of the alternative.

As a side note, my own waters broke and though I had contractions I didn't go into labour for about 12 hours after that. The contractions I was having were about as bad as heavy cramps and certainly didn't stop me doing anything I would've done normally. This happens often and while she may have played up those crampy contractions it may have been obvious to her that nothing much was happening.

posted September 04, 2013 12:56 PM            

Ha ha

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posted September 04, 2013 01:53 PM            

Meanwhile, Assad probably has moved all that crap back to Baghdad and parked his government headquarters in some kindergarten or mosque.

posted September 04, 2013 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
As are yours since you don't even know whether the crine was having him and behaving in a way you judge irresponsible, or NOT having him.

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MY point is, either way, her story is totally incriminating to the extent that she ought to be considered a crackpot and dismissed.

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I suspect she made the most of her bravery in carrying on.

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Brave?

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Waters breaking end aren't the end of the world as you, bring so experienced, may know.

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They can be the end of a life, though. I was actually warned, in no uncertain terms, of the dangers of preterm premature rupture of the membranes:

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Preterm premature rupture of membranes is the rupture of membranes during pregnancy before 37 weeks’ gestation. It occurs in 3 percent of pregnancies and is the cause of approximately one third of preterm deliveries. It can lead to significant perinatal morbidity, including respiratory distress syndrome, neonatal sepsis, umbilical cord prolapse, placental abruption, and fetal death. Appropriate evaluation and management are important for improving neonatal outcomes. Speculum examination to determine cervical dilation is preferred because digital examination is associated with a decreased latent period and with the potential for adverse sequelae. Treatment varies depending on gestational age and includes consideration of delivery when rupture of membranes occurs at or after 34 weeks’ gestation. Corticosteroids can reduce many neonatal complications, particularly intraventricular hemorrhage and respiratory distress syndrome, and antibiotics are effective for increasing the latency period.

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Trig was premature and a high risk pregnancy. If Palin's version has any truth to it, the choice to board a plane isn't one of bravery but reckless endangerment.

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Digest that for just a second. A 43 year old woman carrying a child with known Down's Syndrome in her 8th month of pregnancy voluntarily embarked upon a transcontinental adventure to give some dumb speech. Then, after noticing some cramps and the passage of amniotic fluid, she went ahead with her speech and, instead of proceeding directly to the nearest Dallas high risk pregnancy center, boarded a four hour flight to Seattle. Then she hung out in the Seattle airport lounge for a while and took a connecting flight to Alaska. Then she drives to Wasilla. Finally, she decides to seek medical attention at local Wasilla hospital, a facility lacking a NICU and other high risk specialists. That's her story. In her own words.

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Originally posted by Catalina:
If it is not her child, then even she may have lied fir the best interest of her daughter, trig and herself.

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posted September 04, 2013 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
I must say thst i am finding your beef about my using capitals for emphasis tiresome and unreasonable.

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YOU WILL NOT STOP WRITING IN CAPITALS AND I WILL NOT STOP LAUGHING ABOUT IT, BECAUSE I FIND IT HUMOROUS. STALEMATE AGAIN.