posted July 30, 2016 05:05 PM            

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posted July 30, 2016 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Pence was a great choice. He did wonders for Indiana. He created 150,000 new jobs, balanced the budget, lowered taxes again and again each year, and has a $2 billion dollar surplus. He has proved that conservative economic principles work. The hope is that he can help Trump do the same with the US. Hillary just feeds us the same old lines of higher taxes and business as usual. The debt has doubled under Obama, and Obama has spent more than all other presidents combined! We can't withstand four more years of that. If we lower the corporate tax, businesses will flood back into the US, bringing millions of new jobs.

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See, I don't get your argument. If you are so worried about "the debt", you would be supporting a Clinton. When Bill Clinton came to power in 1993, he inherited a national debt of 48.3% of GDP from the previous Reagan-Bush administrations, and by the time he left 8 years later, the national debt had fallen to 34.5% of GDP.

By the end of 8 years of Bush administration before Obama took over, the debt had risen again.

Therefore having a republican administration has not historically been a guarantee of lower debt.

As for Pence's supposedly glorious performance for Indiana, don't just believe the hype because mercury square Neptune Trump says so. Fortune magazine has a very interesting article setting the real records, http://fortune.com/2016/07/20/mike-pences-indiana-record/
And the Wall Street Journal also shows that
"Indiana's economic record under Pence's governorship still resembles overall U.S. performance under Obama in recent years." http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/07/16/mike-pence-donald-trumps-vp-pick-can-tout-job-gains-and-economic-growth-in-indiana/

When Mercury squares Neptune tells you something, you ought to go and check things out for yourself and not just take what it tells you at face value.

posted July 30, 2016 06:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
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Take a look at Sweden. That will be us!

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What is wrong with Sweden?

I don't live in the US, but from where I live, it looks like Trump will ruin the country. I think he has made all of you delusional, cause he will certainly not create more jobs with his politics, if that is what you think.

By lowering taxes and investing in more coal and oil (and war) it will only bring a higher inequality, more health issues (which also costs money) and more dead people, which harms the us-people psychologically.

To me, it seems that the US is building up a wound because of all these free weapons and war and inequality, and with Trump it will certainly only get worse to the point of no return. Hillary might not be that much better, but at least she will listen more to the people, and she said she wants to work together with Bernie Sanders, which I think makes the most sense over there right now compared to Hillary and Trump.

posted July 30, 2016 06:39 PM            

Months later, when I finally took a look at his chart, I was like, wowsers! Didn't see that one coming~! I looked for Uranus and I saw that transiting Uranus was sextiling his sun and NN, trining his moon, and working its way toward coming to a trine of his mars/Asc.

I think there is a real danger that if elected president, he could get the US into war. First of all, he has natal Mars conjunct the Ascendant so he is naturally warlike. Secondly, his sun AND North Node are conjunct the US's natal Mars. This is a DW aspect which can show lack of restraint in going to war.

Why is Trump so popular? His Jupiter is conjunct the US' Saturn, so where many Americans feel fear, his Jupiter brings hope and makes them feel that he can tackle that fear. However, Jupiter can increase whatever it touches, so his Jupiter can also increase the Saturnian fear in the heartland.

Will Trump stop sticking his foot in his mouth if he becomes president? I highly doubt it. The US' Jupiter is conjunct his natal Mercury and squares his Neptune, therefore increasing his natural foot in the mouth disease. In fact, he could get worse. If his petulant behavior is rewarded with the highest seat in the land, why should he censor himself once he is potus? He will be convinced that since it has worked for him in the past, it should continue to work for him in the future.

His heart is in the right place? He wants to help people? Okay. Can you back this up astrologically? Leo rising is always and foremost about SELF. Chart ruler is in 10th house of career. He has no planets in 7th house of "others." He has no planet in ever loving Pisces. His Venus loving nature is conjunct calculating Saturn. He has war-like Mars conjunct the Ascendant. His second house of money is nicely packed with Jupiter and Neptune, indicating keen ability to increase his personal finances.

Am I missing something? where are the aspects of a good hearted person who wants to help others in his chart? As astrologers, please back up your assertions and enlighten us.

posted July 30, 2016 07:12 PM            

I truly don't see how intelligent people like you cannot see that Trump is our only hope to keep all we love alive in the US--freedom of speech, democracy, a SAFE country, in which we do not have to be afraid to go into public places like malls,nightclubs etc

Anyway, I will put up my chart analysis of him.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:13 PM            

I love Donald Trump. He is one of my heroes.I felt hopeless about the future of America before his candidacy. I have hope now. I say that to tell you I have a very favorable bent toward him. but I will try to be objective. The natal chart is the blueprint of each native. Let’s study the blueprint of this man. Love him or hate him, he is a FORCE!

When I do a professional chart, the first thing I do is notice what stands out to me. Certain things in the chart will highlight themselves to me. Then, I work my way around the entire chart, looking at each planet, house and aspect. Then, I may or may not do House Rulers.

After this, I study more than 300 Asteroids. I include the vertex, as well. I write a summary after this. I write another summary at the end. I try to make my summaries practical. I try to offer practical and easy to understand “take away” lessons.

First of all, we see Donald Trump’s Leo Mars conjunct his Ascendant. It makes some highly positive aspects to his Sun, North Node and Moon. It makes no unfavorable/bad aspects. I call things as I see them. I call trines and sextiles favorable/good aspects. I call squares and oppositions unfavorable/bad aspects. Conjunctions vary based on the planets involved. Mr Trump has drive in his everyday life. He will be direct and he will be forthright. He will say what is on his mind. This is the nature of Mars conjunct the Ascendant.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:15 PM            

His Leo Mars makes a sextile to his Moon. This aspect shows us that his emotions and his drive can work in tandem. His soft side can combine with his hard driving side to make for an implacable force of the yin and the yang.

Let’s move around the chart wheel and see what we find. We move to the second house, the house of money and material security. Mr Trump has some unlikely planets here. He has Jupiter conjunct Chiron at 4 degrees. He has Neptune standing alone. I am surprised to find Chiron in the second house, very surprised. My experience with Chiron in the second has been poverty. Mr Trump did not grow up in poverty.

Jupiter conjunct Chiron magnifies the PAIN of Chiron. It took me quite a bit of study to come to the conclusion that Jupiter magnifies what it touches, for better or worse. Hence, if Jupiter touches an unfavorable asteroid such as Nessus( abuse), it will magnify abuse. If Chiron touches a favorable asteroid, such as Juno, it will magnify devotion and loyalty. Hence, in Mr Trump’s case, pain will be magnified.

The pain will be ASSOCIATED with money. We have a birth time for Mr Trump. Assuming that it is correct, I have to revise my conclusions concerning Chiron in the second house. I would say that Mr Trump does have pain in the arena of money due to the placement of Chiron in the second house, but NOT due to poverty. More will be revealed as we study asteroids but for now, in the absence of actual poverty, I would say that FEAR of financial insecurity may drive Mr Trump. One may be very wealthy and be afraid of loss of money. I have seen this in my own family.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:16 PM            

However, we have just taken a cursory look at the planets inhabiting the second house and not the aspects. The aspects will give us more specific information. Jupiter in the second house is classic for making money easily. His Jupiter has several trines to his tenth house planets. We could expect him to have an outstanding tenth house and he does. We will get to that in due time. For now, his lucky money Jupiter has close trines with his Sun, Uranus and North Node. This is like a nuclear rabbit’s foot for financial success. Consequently,Mr Trump has used his natural talent to build an empire.

Mr Trump has some Jupiter squares but they are wide, so I will forego discussing them.

His Chiron makes a close trine with Uranus in his tenth house, but no other close aspect, of course, except the conjunction with Jupiter. Hence, we can surmise that changes in his career may have brought pain.

Let’s look at Mr Trump’s Neptune in the second house. I see this aspect as someone who does not navigate the world of money well, but in his case, that would not be a conclusion that squared with reality. In his case, I would say that he would have creativity in the arena of money, which he does. Let’s look at the aspects for more information.

Neptune has a close square with Mercury in the eleventh house. Mercury in the eleventh house could be a person who cares about the greater world, to a larger extent than his own personal world. I think we could say that this was the case. The SQUARE is not a good aspect, though. One may look at the world through a personal lens which is not an accurate one. Every person( or most) have squares. Squares need to be worked around, in my opinion. They cannot be changed but many people do not agree with me on this.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:18 PM            

I am reminded of Handwriting Analysis, which is one of my hobbies. I am, often, shocked in what the handwriting reveals. The most pious seeming person can be the most prideful. The most outgoing can be the most self conscious. In the same manner, I am surprised by several things in Mr Trump’s chart, not the least of which is the twelfth house Pluto.

I want to take a brief digression to say that Mr Trump has a true earth void, as I do. We are not practical with details. We are not earth bound. We feel as if we walk a few inches above Mother Earth. This is not really a comfortable feeling. It is slightly unsettling. One craves to be a little bit more grounded. However, earth voids are said to attract money easily. There is something inside them that is not that attached to money. This lack of attachment draws money to them.I have to put Mr Trump’s earth void under the category of surprises for me because he seems very, very grounded, to me.

Now, Mr Trump’s MC is earth–Taurus. This is interesting. When we have an elemental void, such as an earth void, in this case, and the element is situated on the Ascendant or MC, the native APPEARS very earth bound. However, in reality he is not. This is very interesting. This situation can be hard for the native because others see him in such a way that he is, actually, not.

Mr Trump has an empty third house, so onto his fourth house. The empty houses signify spheres of life that are not as important for the native, as are those of the occupied houses. In the fourth house, we find his Sagittarius Moon, by it’s lonesome. It is interesting that Mr Trump has a fiery, devil may care Moon in the deep, insular fourth House, ruled by Cancer. I am a Cancer Moon, so can speak on this subject. Home and family are our number one priority. One can observe Mr Trump’s life and see how he loves his family.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:20 PM            

Let’s look at Moon aspects because Mr Trump has several. Some are very good and some are not. The Moon is the heart of any native, so we can learn a lot about Mr Trump from an in depth exploration of his Moon. Let’s look at the good/favorable aspects first. Mr Trump has a lovely Jupiter sextile the Moon. This shows us his personal warmth, which he has in spades, in my opinion. This aspect would make him popular and well liked by others. For all of his years in business, few people have a bad word to say about him. This is a rarity.

He has Moon trine Mars, which I mentioned earlier, so will refer you to that.

Mr Trump has an interesting quincunx of Moon and Saturn at two degrees. This quincunx is more important in the chart of an earth void because it imparts grounding. I have a Moon/Saturn trine at the wide orb of seven degrees. I wish it were closer but it does provide me with discipline and grounding, although I do crave more! For Mr Trump, he is able to discipline his emotions, although it may not be easy. The quincunx is the aspect of a struggle which CAN be overcome.

In my personal opinion, an opposition and a square cannot be overcome, per se. One can work around them. However, they do not really change, in the manner of eye color. One is born with blue eyes and one dies with blue eyes. Many people disagree with me and that is fine. This is my opinion, at present. I am, always, open to change but that change would result from doing charts, not people throwing asparagus at me :/

Now onto the hard/unfavorable aspects. Mr Trump has a close Moon oppose the Sun and North Node. He has a four degree Moon/Uranus opposition. In these few aspects, we can understand a great deal about him. First of all, Moon oppose Sun tells us that his parents were not close at the time of his birth. It tells us that he has a war between his head/ego and his heart. The war is a yin/yang war. By this, I mean that he see-saws from one to the other, but cannot really find a peaceful sense of balance.

Picture a see-saw when studying an opposition. One person is up. Then, the other person is up and the previous person is down. The see-saw does not really stay in the balanced state. It is an either/or proposition. In the same manner, this native would want to act on his heart. Then, he may see the folly of this and pull back, entirely, and act on his head. This dynamic continues, in the manner of the see-saw. Hence, it is a struggle.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:21 PM            

Mr Trump has Sun conjunct Uranus which confers brilliance, quite simply. The five degree orb is very favorable when dealing with a Uranus conjunction. Too close can make for instability. Uranus is a real wild card. It can make for extreme brilliance and/or instability. If I fear one planet, it is Uranus. It is wildly “out there” and this can be for better or worse.

Let me give some examples. Uranus conjunct the Sun would be classic for an inventor. Let’s say, for example, the inventor of velcro. It is said that a sticky burr stuck on him and from this, he originated the concept of velcro. Think of the millions of people to whom sticky burrs adhered. Not one of them invented velcro. Hence, in this example, we can see the far reaching brilliance of Uranus. Conversely, I have seen people with Sun conjunct Uranus torture themselves with their own thoughts. Think of electricity. It makes life wonderful. It is an invention of genius proportions but if you do not know how to handle it, it can result in your demise.Uranus rules electricity. I took a brief rabbit trail to say that the five degree orb in Mr Trump’s Sun/Uranus conjunction is a blessing, versus a closer orb However, we are discussing Moon conjunct Uranus now. This may show a mother who was not stable. It may show a struggle with his own emotions yin/yanging, as I described in the see-saw analogy. Again, Mr Trump is fortunate to have a four degree orb which mitigates the intensity of this aspect, versus an exact orb, for example.

Mr Trump has an empty fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth and ninth house. This shows us that he is very concentrated in certain life spheres. These life spheres are the houses with the occupied planets.

Now, we have reached the tenth house. This is the house of career and if Mr Trump is defined by anything, it is his career. We should not be surprised to see two heavy hitters in the tenth house–the Sun and the North Node. These are conjunct, powering up both. We, also, have the wild card/firecracker Uranus in the tenth house with a five degree aspect to the Sun and a two degree aspect to the North Node.

We have a lot to discuss, so let’s break it down. First of all, the placement of a the Sun, by house, puts a spotlight on that house. For Mr Trump, it is career. It may, also, be his relationship with his father, meaning that this relationship may have been very formative. The North Node in the tenth house shows us that Mr Trumps life purpose has to do with career and his role on the public arena. The North North Node conjunct the Sun amp up both.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:22 PM            

To me, Mr Trump was raised by God to save our country. Certain aspects in charts seem as if God put his very hand on the chart and fashioned that aspect. Actually, God made each chart and each person. However, sometimes aspects will highlight themselves to me as a saving grace or a perfectly placed one. The five degree orb between Uranus and the Sun is such to me.

Before, we leave the topic of Uranus, we must talk about the relationship Mr Trump had with his father. The father is signified by the tenth house in a chart. The mother is the fourth house. Mr Trump may have felt insecure with his father. He may have felt like his father was not safe. His father may have come and gone from his life, abruptly. We do not know any of this from studying the life of Mr Trump but charts never lie, so we can assume it to be the case.

How, exactly, this would play out the asteroids will show us. The asteroids fill in details. They are truly invaluable in forming a whole picture of a person. I use over three hundred asteroids, but there are thousands. No astrologer can mine a natal chart for all it has to offer. In this way, it is like the Bible–impossible to master.

We should not digress too much because we need to look at all the aspects for the Sun, NN and Uranus. Mr Trump’s NN is bombarded with aspects. The NN is a very informative point. Some people are no aspects to the NN. They may be very talented but they will never feel as if they find their purpose. Some people have one square to the NN. This forms a sense that their purpose is thwarted. I have one trine to my NN from Pluto, showing that my deep, primal passions will take me to my goal, which is exactly what happened. I HAD to understand Astrology. Nothing would stop me. The hardest point along the way was House Rulers. This separates the boys from the men because you will never progress in Astrology, if you eschew them, in my opinion. I spent a month sequestered with a little book on chart rulers that I bought from Amazon. I don’t know why I got off on that rabbit trail, but for to tell you that one is either helped, hindered or thwarted by the North Node and it’s aspects.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:23 PM            

Mars sextile NN( 6 degree orb)

Jupiter trine NN( 3 degree orb)

Moon oppose NN( 1 degree)

Mars sextile the NN is at a wide orb but may be felt. This aspect increases in importance due to the Mars placement conjunct the ASC. One could say that Mr Trump has a great drive in his daily life. This trine he focuses on his career and he moves steadily to his life purpose.

Jupiter trine the NN is the luck of a fairy godmother helping him to meet his life purpose. Jupiter in the second house is a blessed position for money making. Hence, the trine gives him a boost to make money and achieve his life purpose, all at the same time. Very nice!

Moon oppose the NN is the lone black sheep here. This shows us that Mr Trump doubts himself in ways we might never see. He doubts his abilities. He doubts his level of self confidence. He doubts if he has the stuff to take him to the top. Does this doubt diminish him in any way? Only if we all are perfect. Let he with no sin cast the first stone *SIGH*

We are continuing on to the eleventh house. In it, we have a wowser finding–an Unaspected Mercury. This is very rare, one of the most rare of the Unaspected planets. I bet Mr Trump has collections of pens, pencils and/or dictionaries. The Unaspected Mercury loves words. He may do the crossword puzzles. He may read the dictionary for fun. My father has this and he does this. My father’s Mercury is Semi- Unaspected, though. This is a category that I devised because I noted that people with Semi-Unaspected Planets acted in a way similar to those with fully Unaspected planets. I have many articles on Unaspected planets, if you are interested. I have an Unaspected Venus and could find precious little information and started my own studies.

r Trump has Mercury in Cancer. His family is, often, in his thoughts. This is the second indicator of just how important his family is to him. The other is is moon in the fourth house.

OH, I was tired and missed the Mercury square to Neptune, that I mentioned earlier :/ Well, the Mercury will be Semi Unaspected because this is the sole real aspect, as the other is too far away. This aspect may be the most challenging to Mr Trump. His imagination may have a life of it’s own. Let me see if I can give an example. Let’s say a person wants to be a professional gambler because he was good at gambling in high school. He may decide to pack up, empty his bank account and move to Las Vegas. His imagination loves it BUT he wonders if it is a silly idea. He thinks and thinks and thinks. He ends up going to medical school but inside him, he still has the dream of being a gambler. This may be a silly example to try to illustrate the tension and seeming inability to RECONCILE his imagination with his mind. There is a kind of endless tug of war.

Continuing on with the eleventh house, we have Venus and Saturn there, too. Venus conjuncts Saturn at two degrees, which is a close conjunction. This one aspect tells us a lot. Mr Trump, like many of us struggles with the idea that he is not lovable. This aspect reveals a native who feels he has to EARN love. I am surprised to see this aspect, as I was with several other aspects. To me, Mr Trump is an icon. We put our heroes on pedestals and I suppose I am doing this, but this is human, too, as is the chart, which shows all the variations in human nature.

Now, we come to the twelfth house. We have a planet that I never would have guessed would be in the 12th House–the powerhouse Pluto. It is said that people with a twelfth house Pluto have a double life. One of my chart studies was a mousy L.P.N, by day, and a promiscuous bar hopper, by night a la Finding Mr Goodbar. I am sure that this was an extreme example, but there may be some sort of a double life. I suppose we all have double lives, in the varying faces we show to the world. The native with Pluto in the twelfth will have a bigger dose.

We have reached the end of the chart, using only planets. We still have asteroids to go, but I will continue with them in a Part Two.

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posted July 30, 2016 07:54 PM            

I LOVE that people can disagree but still be kind and still like each other xx

OK---Planet wise--what would show wanting to help??

I am not sure but some asteroids would like Vesta, Valentine, Pallas and many others.

I guess I should do the asteroid study but you can see how long it is lol

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posted July 30, 2016 07:55 PM            

There are others that would show the same thing, I think.

I would have to check my list.

If the above asteroids were conj the NN, we could call his life theme one of helping.

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posted July 30, 2016 08:00 PM            

Wanting to help others to me would be indicated by
-certain planets in the 7th house or in the 9th house. Showing that others or/and spiritual matters are important
-planets in Pisces and/or Virgo. Those 2 signs are the natural helpers of the zodiac
-Venus or moon conjunct/trine/sextile Neptune. Highly idealized love nature.
-Jupiter conjunct Sun. Tends to embody Jupiter's generosity and tolerance.
-NN in Pisces/Virgo axis
-Neptune in 7th house
-Venus in 12th house, etc...

posted July 30, 2016 08:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
Ami = Friend in French

Wanting to help others to me would be indicated by
-certain planets in the 7th house or in the 9th house. Showing that others or/and spiritual matters are important
-planets in Pisces and/or Virgo. Those 2 signs are the natural helpers of the zodiac
-Venus or moon conjunct/trine/sextile Neptune. Highly idealized love nature.
-Jupiter conjunct Sun. Tends to embody Jupiter's generosity and tolerance.
-NN in Pisces/Virgo axis
-Neptune in 7th house
-Venus in 12th house, etc...

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I, personally, would not see many of these planets as being a "helping person"

I would see Venus in the 12th as fear of rejection when in love and fearful of putting oneself out there.

It is more of an insular position than an outgoing helper one, for example

I see Neptune in the 7th as having a hard time navigating relationships.

Be back in a sec, B.

got a call lol

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posted July 30, 2016 08:26 PM            

If you look at his chart, there are no planets making hard aspects to his Chiron, therefore the pain aspect of Chiron is not activated. That is where my understanding of Chiron diverges profoundly from yours.

I have always maintained that it wasn't until the mid 1950s when Chiron started to experience square or opposition by slow moving planets such as Uranus/Neptune/Pluto for decades that the generations born during those decades had painful Chiron issues. The generations born previously had no such issues, unless Chiron was challenged by Saturn or personal planets.

posted July 30, 2016 08:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Trump spent a fraction of what the 16 other candidates did, and he crushed them all. Hillary, on the other hand, will spend $2 billion on her campaign. Yes, he will get us into a war, because we need to officially declare war on ISIS.

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War cost money. and money we cannot afford. if most trump supporters are voting for him so they can get more jobs, HOW is going to war going to give American jobs? we are still struggling from the last G.W. Bush war, and our economy crashed after that. c'mon, i would really love to hear HOW trump is going to make all this happen? Go to war, and AT THE SAME TIME build our economy and give people jobs? he seems to not give specifics.

Does anyone ever wonder, and think for a second that perhaps Trump wants to go to war, so he can earn billions from it? War = money. Take it from Cheney and the Bush family. How much money did they earn from the Gulf/Iraqi/Afghanistan war?

The rich gets richer and the poor, gets poorer and more lives lost in war!