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Padre35
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posted August 31, 2012 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Mirroring is not weak, I have to disagree on that one. No kind of self-awareness is weak. Period.

In your chart:
-Saturn in 1st opp Venus in 7th, in Scorpio - might indicate excessive criticism to/from women, possible cruelty
-Sun Square Pluto - can indicate a person who would disregard another person's interests or even well-being for their own interest/pleasure/whatnot.
-Moon square Mars, in Scorpio - can indicate a bad temper, anger, violence towards/from women
-Moon sq Venus - can be a player aspect
-Venus conj Mars in Scorpio - can be an indicator for a more compulsive sex-drive, with possible extreme nuances
-Uranus square Mercury and especially MC/IC axis - Mercury/Uranus can indicate insanity, unusual thinking, a mental freak, Uranus/Mc-Ic a disregard of society's rules, an outcast, a rebel, a freak
-add to that Jup in Scorpio

Had there been 1 or 2 indicators, hmm.. okay, no problem. But I saw a theme there, thought it was unlikely for someone with so many indicators to be a regular nice guy. But I am glad you proved me wrong, I am not that small to admit it upfront.

I think maybe your Neptune in the 8th makes you want to cross boundaries to please a partner.



Hmm, knew there was a reason why I had "Born to be Freaky" tattoed on my knuckles when I was a wee lad...

J/K of course, atm been a run of:

"Has anyone ever told you:

-You look like so and so (an actor like M Rourke or V Kilmer)

-"I feel like I've met you before, I remember you"

-3 generations of women, Germans, youngest one, maybe 22 out of the blue invites me to her birthday party replete with chippendales dancers, the grandmother looks me right in the eye and says "I've seen you before, you look really familar to me" the mom leans and says "oh I know him" (she is also the owner of the coffee shop)

Turn down the invite to the bday party
Tell the grandmom that I get that a lot

Really wanted to ask the mom about..well..happened to be hanging out front when she came from testing positive for cancer about a month ago and overheard the conversation.

Grand Daughter and Grand mom leave, so I discretely ask about how the mom is doing mentioning overhearing "something" and she smiles and says "oh I'm fine, I start radiation treatment next week, but I'm fine, never better" and taps me on the shoulder as she walks by.

Thought to myself, THIS is why I bother with people, a chance conversation and being able to offer support to someone who is walking alone.


Your thread Hera, (and thanks for the clarification, tho it does creep me out) however it just bothers me to no end that people cannot, or are unwilling, to see other people for people and not what they want them to be!


TBF to you take on my chart, when a younger man, perhaps true, some of it anyway, some of it is waaay offbase though.

Please a partner over myself? To me when one pleases a partner one pleases oneself, the difference is if one chooses a partner who has some proclivities, then that becomes a part of the ride so to speak.

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posted September 01, 2012 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Saraintheski:
I like strong dominating men who would love to just destroy me in bed because i'm "perfect for him " Not sure if that's bdsm lol I really like spanking and hair pulling . I had someone in my life who used my sexual curiousity against me at the same time liberating me also . In arguments they would call me an "ADDICT" I AM FAR FROM " WHO*E" "pervert" all because I simply told him everything I have ever done because with him I felt like I was redeeming myself like I found someone I could talk all of my experiences through with . I realized this was just a form of manipulation he had to dehumanize me somehow later on my whole need for a dominant but loving man is what got me in that situation. If I am in an excited mood roughness,worshiping,slight bondage makes my knees weak . :| lol tmi? Scorpio sun , merc ,pluto and mars venus and jupiter in libra all in the 8th house?

Sara, you are a special and sensitive soul. Please do not let yourself be abused, you deserve understanding and caring and to feel free and not judged with the person you care about.

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posted September 01, 2012 01:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Your thread Hera, (and thanks for the clarification, tho it does creep me out) however it just bothers me to no end that people cannot, or are unwilling, to see other people for people and not what they want them to be!

I don't really see it that way. I think there is some miscommunication going on between us atm.

I know you are a caring soul, Jan. I told you back in your thread that my opinion on your chart was probably biased by our synastry, specifically remember the Pluto-Moon square which was exact. Pluto exact hard aspects from men have that effect on me I guess. My father's Pluto is exact, to the minute, square my Venus. I remember in the beginning I didn't like Aquaguy much, though he is very dear to me now. His Pluto is opposite my Venus. It is an energy that triggers the abuse victim in me and I subconsciously react by sometimes seeing a devil where there is none. But I usually stand corrected, which I have done with you both.

As for bdsm, I do not see it as soulless or uncaring. Not talking about promiscuous relationships or hired doms. In a committed monogamous relationship I think it might add depth, and I think it is about allowing the other to see the real darkness in you (fear, shame, guilt, anger, hate, disgust etc).. I find it appealing because I do not like superficiality (although it overwhelms me atm). How often do you share that part of yourself in a vanilla relationship? How often do people even admit to themselves they feel that way? People always act different than they are, maybe some raw bluntness is refreshing.
Especially for people recovering from psychological trauma, I can understand why they would feel the need to express their darker side and know they are not judged for it. It can feel liberating, I imagine. I do not see it as uncaring, quite the opposite if I think about it.

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posted September 01, 2012 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am such an idiot.

Solar Arc Moon/Neptune conjunction has become in orb of squaring my natal exact Mars-Pluto opposition.

I knew it was coming, but its chosen expression is very surprising.


Solar Arc Asc has recently been on my Sun/Moon midpoint and solar arc Mercury is currently on natal IC.. the deepest point in one's chart.

Slap me silly.

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posted September 01, 2012 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

You may enjoy this little vignette Hera:

Ran into an older woman last evening (a submissive) whom I had chatted with before, she did not recall and re-introduced herself to which I said "oh we've met"

She sort of looked puzzled, so I asked her if she had lost anything lately.

To which she replied "I've lost my land, and my car but otherwise I've not lost anything"

To which I replied "Really? sure you did not lose some beads"?

She blushed and got really quite, she had forgotten that she told me a story about actually losing 2 sets of pleasure beads in her fun box on different occasions and had to call friends out in LA to see if they knew where those beads wound up and they told her to keep digging..

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posted September 01, 2012 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jan,

Did you ever wonder what is it in you that vibrates to these women? This isn't random, it is a repeating theme in your life. Have you ever wondered what is it about you that makes them relate to you?.. I think in that discovery you will find your release. If you are willing to look that way.

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posted September 02, 2012 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Jan,

Did you ever wonder what is it in you that vibrates to these women? This isn't random, it is a repeating theme in your life. Have you ever wondered what is it about you that makes them relate to you?.. I think in that discovery you will find your release. If you are willing to look that way.


Not so much Hera, do not say that as a statement of uncaring, rather as "my" reality.

Attraction/sensual pleasure/dominant and submissive places

Does not interest me, over time I've learned that everyone has different interests in the emotional/physical department and one of the worst things one can do is to not think.

What does interest me is this:

Why,oh why, do people feel the need to just tell me things that they'd never tell anyone else?

Is it charisma? charm? my chart?

Tonight's story:

Nice couple(s), the first was older and the man was playing the "whatever you can do I did better" northeastern dude game..so much so that even whatever drugs I took, of course he took more of..which surprised his G/F..so much so the truth of some things came out..to her surprise I must say ( )

Second couple was a dear pair of friends of mine..with the female friend leaning in and saying

"Don't tell anyone this, but he bought me an engagement ring"

Dear Hera..uhm...why oh why do I seem to illicit this stuff?

Scorpio eyes? Leo Moon?

For reasons I do not understand, one seems to generate rapport easily..maybe to much so..I'm the quietest guy when it comes to myself, for whatever reason people just tell me the most personal stuff one can imagine.

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posted September 02, 2012 03:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think maybe is the fact that you seem solid, trustworthy. I am thinking is your Mercury in Capricorn which sits on MC, being the most visible planet in your chart, also aspecting Ascendant, therefore being very much on display. As you know, Mercury in Capricorn can give someone the impression that their secrets are safe with them, that they are reliable, strong, dependable people. Combined with the Scorpio which sees into the soul.

However, I think it's also the importance you give to it. Me, I wouldn't have bothered much that people tell me stuff. I am glad they are getting it off their chests. And if they feel they can trust me, I appreciate the vote of confidence. But I wouldn't make a big deal out of it.

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posted September 02, 2012 04:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Saraintheski     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Sara, you are a special and sensitive soul. Please do not let yourself be abused, you deserve understanding and caring and to feel free and not judged with the person you care about.

Aww your kind words made me smile It was nowhere near as horrible as what you went through as a child , but i'm pretty young i'm 18 and my sexual experiences have gotten me nothing but trouble and humiliation and the one older person I loved decided to totally use everything against me accusations WILD ones , almost turning me off completely to intercourse it's weird now meeting people who don't take it so seriously. I really believe it should be sacred.I'm sorry it's as if your father stole your ability to naturally have a sex life which is horrible . I hate when sociopaths steal from and tarnish people's lives with accusations and abuse .

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posted September 02, 2012 10:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Hera, that makes a lot of sense to me, in fact it sort of was the missing piece in some areas.

Basically that aspect, coupled with the really dark things on my chart would suggest player at best, con man in the middle or much much worse!

No wonder it caused such a reaction..


Hope all is well for you!

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posted September 04, 2012 11:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Jan,

Do not worry too much about it. My chart says hell spawn but I am not one, obviously. Though in my case the energy was unfortunately present.

I had an epiphany yesterday as I was in therapy and discussing my anger re- what to do with it, where to channel it. And I think I might have the right idea for me. I am going to do a real size mannequin with my father's picture on it's face, but I have to build it myself, I think it adds emotional implication instead of buying one. (Thank you Pixie for suggesting the puppet thing, it was my inspiration) And then I could talk to it, scream at it all I want, perhaps even beat the **** out of it. I will have to see in the moment what I would/wouldn't do. Whenever I think of hurting my father, my anger dissipates. I cannot even fully confront him. I don't understand why. My therapist thinks then I would be father-less and I still hang on to the idea of the ideal father.. Which indeed I am. But he was nowhere near that. Hopefully this will help..

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posted September 05, 2012 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hera, that indeed does my heart some good!

Will say this Hera, sometimes life can make you feel like you are the loneliest person in the world.

What makes life worth it all is being around those who owe you nothing, but show love for one (or you, or whomever, clumsy writing that one).

Big DMX fan, one of his lines is:

"You tell me that there is love but I say that is blatant"

IE, a blatant lie, when one feels real love amongst friends..it is kinda nice.

Tonight's vignette is a person whom I thought was a sociopath, his job is to basically to turn down medicare treatment requests..and he has told me he liked his work

Sorta broke him down a bit..exposed his human side a wee notch.

For me, all that Scorpionic stuff does have an upside..deathly stare replaced with a smile instead of a a rebuke tends to brighten the unlovable's day

Which is nice.

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posted September 05, 2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nice?? That's magic. Moments like that may change the world.

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posted September 05, 2012 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Nice?? That's magic. Moments like that may change the world.

Hope so Hera, this may sound odd, but that Scorpio in Jupiter position, combined with Moon in Leo means charisma...lots of it.

The difference is, all of the bad things said about Scorpio in Jupiter comes from immaturity imo, those with that placement have a choice, they can use people via easily manipulating them, or "we" can sense what is wrong and what is needed to make their lives better in a positive way.

Let me just say though, that placement is really insidious in the the wrong persons' hands.

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posted September 15, 2012 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MR.RE     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello...

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posted September 16, 2012 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been into the idea of doing BDSM in the future... it feels weird to know that I like the idea of it. I really have a tendency to push the limits a little with all things [Mars-Uranus, Venus-Uranus, Mars-Pluto, etc. in my chart speak for it], so it isn't that weird to me. But 12H Pluto admittedly makes me a bit ashamed of where these desires come from and why.

For some reason, I get a sense of pleasure and fulfillment out of dominating a male partner... I don't really go for being extremely sadistic since I am really aware of the difference between healthy BDSM and domestic violence. But it makes me feel good to control a male partner and be the dominant one. I don't know if it's because I feel like my dad never listened to me or whatever. I just know that I have the urge and would feel way less comfortable with being submissive over being dominant. Right now the partnership I'm in works for this since I'm dominant and a little controlling, and the guy I am with prefers this, and prefers the idea of me tying him up, blindfolding, hitting etc. It's kind of weird but it could work for us. I just have to get over the shame issues.

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posted September 16, 2012 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MR.RE:
I've been into BDSM for a long time now.
Hello Goddess Hera!

Hello Mr. Re. Welcome to Lindaland! Care to give me/us some stories about your long experience in bdsm?

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posted September 16, 2012 04:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I've been into the idea of doing BDSM in the future... it feels weird to know that I like the idea of it. I really have a tendency to push the limits a little with all things [Mars-Uranus, Venus-Uranus, Mars-Pluto, etc. in my chart speak for it], so it isn't that weird to me. But 12H Pluto admittedly makes me a bit ashamed of where these desires come from and why.

For some reason, I get a sense of pleasure and fulfillment out of dominating a male partner... I don't really go for being extremely sadistic since I am really aware of the difference between healthy BDSM and domestic violence. But it makes me feel good to control a male partner and be the dominant one. I don't know if it's because I feel like my dad never listened to me or whatever. I just know that I have the urge and would feel way less comfortable with being submissive over being dominant. Right now the partnership I'm in works for this since I'm dominant and a little controlling, and the guy I am with prefers this, and prefers the idea of me tying him up, blindfolding, hitting etc. It's kind of weird but it could work for us. I just have to get over the shame issues.


I can relate to what you said. I feel more comfortable with the idea of being dominant vs submissive as well, but I think I really might be a switch. I find switches most fascinating and the ones I find it easier to interact with. Doms annoy the hell out of me and pure subs seem weak (I know they're not weak per se.. but it is my mental/emotional impression and it sort of blocks my attraction for them).

I don't know if shame makes me reluctant to go into this. I'm not really sure if I still can feel shame or if shame has some hold on me now after what I've been through. It has sort of become an obsolete notion. I guess maybe I am afraid of losing my humanity - the qualities I associate with humanity, better said, though I imagine that is an illusory idea as well.

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posted September 19, 2012 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I can relate to what you said. I feel more comfortable with the idea of being dominant vs submissive as well, but I think I really might be a switch. I find switches most fascinating and the ones I find it easier to interact with. Doms annoy the hell out of me and pure subs seem weak (I know they're not weak per se.. but it is my mental/emotional impression and it sort of blocks my attraction for them).

I don't know if shame makes me reluctant to go into this. I'm not really sure if I still can feel shame or if shame has some hold on me now after what I've been through. It has sort of become an obsolete notion. I guess maybe I am afraid of losing my humanity - the qualities I associate with humanity, better said, though I imagine that is an illusory idea as well.


I see what you mean about switches - I could see myself as an occasional switch. I feel like my Mars in Cancer is what would drive me - sometimes I would want to be comforted by dominance versus expressing my Scorpio Venus and wanting to dominate. But it would have to be in a certain way, I wouldn't want too much intensity if I was submissive. Being at either end of the spectrum, at extremes - over the top dom or sub - is probably not that great of a lifestyle... so switching can make a lot of sense to me. I feel that as primary dominant, now and again being a switch shows the other partner a soft side and one that wants love and affection and the need to be held. It's romantic to me.

It makes sense that you might worry about losing human qualities, but to me there is nothing inhuman about BDSM. It's maybe not the most normal or conventional act but sometimes our inner demons need to be released in healthful ways. Role play and bedroom games is how a lot of us burn off steam, inner pain and things pushed down in childhood. Sure, maybe it's not the best outlet but if it's not going into dangerous territory and you are mentally ok with it there is no harm. Some of us need affection and love in unconventional as well as conventional ways - since usually BDSM lovers will find that they enjoy more conventional sex too, just hugging or touching and kissing in a 'vanilla' way. People with darker sides can often have a more unusual sex drive, but it's how far you take it and how you really deal with the demons outside the bedroom that shows how good of a person you are.

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posted September 20, 2012 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I get what you're saying perfectly. I think about it in similar terms. And it is romantic to me too. Mars in Aries opp Pluto/Saturn is the dominant, Venus in Taurus conj Chiron is the submissive. Both in the 3rd.

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posted October 08, 2012 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well I think my little exploration on this path may be going down the drain. It could just be that I am too nice or too vanilla for this. Some elements are definitely hot and will remember to include them later on, but as a lifestyle I think maybe it's not me. Idk.. Got close to trying, I think I even wanted to.. but dunno what went wrong. Anyways! Moving on, wherever the journey leads.

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posted October 14, 2012 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just out of curiosity, have you seen Disney's Tangled? While I normally don't see the "suggestive" themes most claim Disney has in their movies, I did see a fem-dom theme in parts of that movie, especially when Flynn & Rapunzel first meet. If you wanna see examples here's a vid someone made for it just for fun:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b10w_Z9SXq0

In any case, seems at least one little girl has been inspired by the fem-dom message:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NydQD5Qftus

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posted October 15, 2012 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol!

Well it seems like I will be trying it out a wee bit after all, things got sorted out with the guy I like and we decided to try smth out. It is completely not as I thought, it is sensitive and gentle and romantic, whoa! I know it can be gross and rude and nasty but it's not what I want.

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posted October 30, 2012 06:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So I took this test... http://quizfarm.com/quizzes/Sex/poeticthinker/do-you-have-an-inclination-for-bdsm/


And apparently I do.. Fairly accurate, I'd say.

Experimental
100%

Switch
93%

Dominant
86%

Sadist
71%

Vanilla
46%

Bondage
43%

Exhibitionist / Voyeur
43%

Submissive
36%

Masochist
29%

Degradation
14%

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posted October 30, 2012 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, I am not into BDSM, but whereever there is a test to take, I`ll be there.


Switch
71%

Bondage
68%

Vanilla
61%

Submissive
54%

Exhibitionist / Voyeur
50%

Experimental
50%

Dominant
39%

Masochist
29%

Sadist
21%

Degradation
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