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Topic: Would you rather be a concubine to a rich, sexy man or a wife to a poor, ugly man?
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aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 9785
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 04:20 AM
  
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
"Too many American men complain about not having sexy wives when they are limpid do-nothing submissive males themselves. What the mistress does is to give the man the veneer of being dominant/desirable (for the right price) when the opposite is usually the truth. I think a relationship without some form of mutually agreed on chain of command is like having a sailing boat with no skipper (whether male for female). There WILL be chaos and dissatisfaction."
^ this is true
the first part about American men, the rest nope.
You should blame that on feminism and single mother households. IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
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From: In my 1st house Uranus and Neptune
Registered: May 2011
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posted July 03, 2014 05:25 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You should blame that on feminism and single mother households.
but who's leaving the single mother tho? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8933
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 09:06 AM
We should just blame it on men who leave women. How does that sound?IP: Logged |
BellaFenice
Knowflake Posts: 982
From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You should blame that on feminism and single mother households.
DO. NOT. TAKE. THE. BAIT. I repeat, do not take the bait!!!!!!!!!! Lololol, unintentional humor is the best. Single women, I mean really AG? You could have least put effort into your women blaming this time. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 387
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
There was never anything honorable about being a concubine  It was frowned upon then and still is today. I'd rather die than wh ore myself.
Then don't wh ore yourself. There's officially frowned upon, and then there's tolerated because he's rich and powerful and she's his woman. It's an old story, and no woman was ever burned at the stake for being a big shot's mistress.
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Knowflake Posts: 387
From: USA
Registered: Jun 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 11:40 AM
Thanks for linking that great piece, PJ. The best argument for wife over mistress would seem to be stability, but there is none even in marriage. Thanks to the feminists, of course. 
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Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 4521
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by page one:
Then don't wh ore yourself.
Believe me I won't. They might as well have been persecuted back then. They were taken from their homes and not always treated as highly as people like to think. They were there for one purpose and still are to this day, but I believe the correct terminology for today's standards would be one night stands, extramarital affairs, or mistress. Who would want that torture, heartache and headache? You can in some jurisdictions persecute the individual and be sued by the spouse. If only 52 other states followed. There is stability in many marriages, I wouldn't say all aren't that's a little over the top. The best argument is that one is legitimate and honorable, and the other is not and only has one purpose, which is sex. Concubine isn't used in the correct terminology here anyway. A concubine was used back in polygamist societies, which we don't live in anywhere today. IP: Logged |
WarriorPrincess7
Knowflake Posts: 442
From: Island of Sirens
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 12:31 PM
i would rather be the wife of the poor ugly man, who wants to settle for second as the concubine anyways? Its all or nothing.IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 9785
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
but who's leaving the single mother tho?
The men they choose are unreliable, whose fault is that? And besides statistics show that women initiate over 70% of divorces, so who is really leaving?IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 9785
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
We should just blame it on men who leave women. How does that sound?
Again, women initiate over 70% of divorces IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 2872
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 01:56 PM
Finding yourself in the "popular chair" again, huh AG? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Again, women initiate over 70% of divorces
Divorcing and leaving two different things. Men can be divorced and still there with the kiddos and everything. Right? IP: Logged |
BellaFenice
Knowflake Posts: 982
From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 02:12 PM
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Originally posted by WarriorPrincess7:
i would rather be the wife of the poor ugly man, who wants to settle for second as the concubine anyways? Its all or nothing.
Thank you for your logic and reasoning! My Cap mercury can't take the rest of the f@ckery in this thread. Between Rick Santorium comparing the Hobby Lobby situation to Nazi Germany and trying to come at single mothers being a problem for submissiveness by quoting marriage statistics, I seriously cannot. The Mayans: why you do this to me!?!?! The world should have ended two years ago!
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Karka: what is your definition of concubine? The traditional version or the pay for play Dubai 'vacations' women seem to go on. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 2872
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Thank you for your logic and reasoning! My Cap mercury can't take the rest of the f@ckery in this thread.Between Rick Santorium comparing the Hobby Lobby situation to Nazi Germany and trying to come at single mothers being a problem for submissiveness by quoting marriage statistics, I seriously cannot. The Mayans: why you do this to me!?!?! The world should have ended two years ago!
Now that's funny!
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KarkaQueen
Knowflake Posts: 5775
From: In my 1st house Uranus and Neptune
Registered: May 2011
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posted July 03, 2014 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Believe me I won't. They might as well have been persecuted back then. They were taken from their homes and not always treated as highly as people like to think. They were there for one purpose and still are to this day, but I believe the correct terminology for today's standards would be one night stands, extramarital affairs, or mistress. Who would want that torture, heartache and headache? You can in some jurisdictions persecute the individual and be sued by the spouse. If only 52 other states followed. There is stability in many marriages, I wouldn't say all aren't that's a little over the top. The best argument is that one is legitimate and honorable, and the other is not and only has one purpose, which is sex. Concubine isn't used in the correct terminology here anyway. A concubine was used back in polygamist societies, which we don't live in anywhere today.
The word concubine was used in the 18c and 19c too
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KarkaQueen
Knowflake Posts: 5775
From: In my 1st house Uranus and Neptune
Registered: May 2011
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posted July 03, 2014 02:31 PM
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Karka: what is your definition of concubine? The traditional version or the pay for play Dubai 'vacations' women seem to go on.
a concubine is the paramour of a married man or bachelor
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Barbiegirl19
Knowflake Posts: 4521
From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
a concubine is the paramour of a married man or bachelor
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In a what? A polygamist society. Not in current society. The correct term would be mistress. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 9785
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 02:36 PM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Thank you for your logic and reasoning! My Cap mercury can't take the rest of the f@ckery in this thread.Between Rick Santorium comparing the Hobby Lobby situation to Nazi Germany and trying to come at single mothers being a problem for submissiveness by quoting marriage statistics, I seriously cannot. The Mayans: why you do this to me!?!?! The world should have ended two years ago!
My point was you can't blame it all on men. Karka repeatedly b*tches that modern men aren't manly enough. Well guess what? Those men who aren't manly enough are raised by single mothers and are taught to put women on the pedestal. Would you not say that mothers have influence over the children they raise? IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8933
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
My point was you can't blame it all on men. Karka repeatedly b*tches that modern men aren't manly enough. Well guess what? Those men who aren't manly enough are raised by single mothers and are taught to put women on the pedestal. Would you not say that mothers have influence over the children they raise?
Aquaguy, seriously. Look at all the gang members raised by single women. They are all macho and they have no respect for women. How do you arrive at these conclusions? look at Marshall Mathers. Would you say he puts women on a pedestal lol. Not even. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 2872
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 02:53 PM
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Chiemi
Moderator Posts: 1883
From: Michigan
Registered: Feb 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Thank you for your logic and reasoning! My Cap mercury can't take the rest of the f@ckery in this thread.Between Rick Santorium comparing the Hobby Lobby situation to Nazi Germany and trying to come at single mothers being a problem for submissiveness by quoting marriage statistics, I seriously cannot. The Mayans: why you do this to me!?!?! The world should have ended two years ago!
Omg I can't with your Mayans comment  IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 9785
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Aquaguy, seriously. Look at all the gang members raised by single women. They are all macho and they have no respect for women. How do you arrive at these conclusions?look at Marshall Mathers. Would you say he puts women on a pedestal lol. Not even.
You people on this forum always want to bring up the exceptions to the rules.. Most men are not in gangs.. Nor are they famous rappers. You could also consider teenage boys joining gangs as an unhealthy attempt to find adult male role models. I was watching a show about prison life a few months ago and they interviewed a young man who was serving a life sentence, he was about my age. When he was asked why he joined a gang his response was "to get girls". Now, why would a young man have the idea in his head that being a gangster is attractive to women? Could it be that his mother and other women in his life taught him that they are through their actions? IP: Logged |
WarriorPrincess7
Knowflake Posts: 442
From: Island of Sirens
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Thank you for your logic and reasoning! My Cap mercury can't take the rest of the f@ckery in this thread.Between Rick Santorium comparing the Hobby Lobby situation to Nazi Germany and trying to come at single mothers being a problem for submissiveness by quoting marriage statistics, I seriously cannot. The Mayans: why you do this to me!?!?! The world should have ended two years ago!
You're very welcome :D I know I can't take the stupid arguments either LOL IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 2872
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 03:23 PM
You just complained about isolated examples and instead came up with your own. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice
Knowflake Posts: 982
From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 03:24 PM
DeepFreeze, I seriously just cackled because I am literally eating popcorn right now!You could also consider teenage boys joining gangs as an unhealthy attempt to find adult male role models. I was watching a show about prison life a few months ago and they interviewed a young man who was serving a life sentence, he was about my age. When he was asked why he joined a gang his response was "to get girls". Now, why would a young man have the idea in his head that being a gangster is attractive to women? Could it be that his mother and other women in his life taught him that they are through their actions? Da fuq does this have to do with concubines? One man saying joined a gang for women= everyone. Why is it when there is a gender thread that poses an interesting subject to be discussed it turns into a women are evil, are to blame, but men are innocent debate? My point was you can't blame it all on men. Karka repeatedly b*tches that modern men aren't manly enough. Well guess what? Those men who aren't manly enough are raised by single mothers and are taught to put women on the pedestal. Would you not say that mothers have influence over the children they raise? My point: this thread isn't blaming it all on men. Karka took a direct quote from the 'author and gave her opinion. No one else in here has said 'men are evil,' 'what a jerk, how could be do that to his wife,' or 'this is all men's fault.' You know the feels Karka has on American men and you replied because there was your opportunity to make it all about you and your issues with women. Can we please stay on topic?
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