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Topic: Would you rather be a concubine to a rich, sexy man or a wife to a poor, ugly man?
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Barbiegirl19
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From: Pluto with DeepFreeze
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 03:27 PM
  
He who knows everything speaks ONCE again  What you don't realize or understand is that you are not the prime example of all men on this planet. Weren't you raised by a single mother in the ghetto? Are you girly? You make absolutely no sense and are constantly making it women as the problem any chance you get. Didn't you say that you'd pick a concubine You base all of "judgements and reasonings" on your sucky dating life. If you dated someone successfully I'd be willing to bet we wouldn't hear those lips flapping. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You people on this forum always want to bring up the exceptions to the rules.. Most men are not in gangs.. Nor are they famous rappers. You could also consider teenage boys joining gangs as an unhealthy attempt to find adult male role models. I was watching a show about prison life a few months ago and they interviewed a young man who was serving a life sentence, he was about my age. When he was asked why he joined a gang his response was "to get girls". Now, why would a young man have the idea in his head that being a gangster is attractive to women? Could it be that his mother and other women in his life taught him that they are through their actions?
If that's true why would you conclude men raised by single mothers are trained to put women on pedestals like there's some sort of vast conspiracy to emasculate men through single parenting by women when a lot of them turn out exactly the opposite when raised by a single woman, ie; exaggerated, masculine, macho personality along with exaggerated disrespect for women instead of mild, meek, worshipping?IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
Knowflake Posts: 5775
From: In my 1st house Uranus and Neptune
Registered: May 2011
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posted July 03, 2014 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
My point was you can't blame it all on men. Karka repeatedly b*tches that modern men aren't manly enough. Well guess what? Those men who aren't manly enough are raised by single mothers and are taught to put women on the pedestal. Would you not say that mothers have influence over the children they raise?
Huh, funny you say so. If my memory is right I remember you repeatedly derailing threads to write your diatribes on women and how they are the issue of society.
I don't constantly "b*tch" about *certain* American men (or guys from the Anglosphere, really), nor have I ever accused them of being "emasculate" or not manly enough. I only said they were whiny and expected their women to be dainty and feminine for them yet they can't even be sexy themselves. And this was what? Two times? But that's constantly?
I can bring up 60 quotes of your long rants on women, want me to do that?
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BellaFenice
Knowflake Posts: 982
From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Huh, funny you say so. If my memory is right I remember you repeatedly derailing threads to write your diatribes on women and how they are the issue of society.
I don't constantly "b*tch" about *certain* American men (or guys from the Anglosphere, really), nor have I ever accused them of being "emasculate" or not manly enough. I only said they were whiny and expected their women to be dainty and feminine for them yet they can't even be sexy themselves. And this was what? Two times? But that's constantly?
I can bring up 60 quotes of your long rants on women, want me to do that?
DRAG HA! But seriously though, you don't owe him an explanation or justification. You are allowed to have an opinion. You haven't made those claims about American men hundreds of times to where you would need to discuss it. you ain't lying though.... ...I mean you must clearly know those gangstas out there throwing g's, shooting people, and rapping about thots are clearly emasculated and putting women on a pedestal You haven't answered your own question though: would you be a concubine?  IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
Knowflake Posts: 5775
From: In my 1st house Uranus and Neptune
Registered: May 2011
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posted July 03, 2014 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
[b]DRAG HA!But seriously though, you don't owe him an explanation or justification. You are allowed to have an opinion. You haven't made those claims about American men hundreds of times to where you would need to discuss it. you ain't lying though.... ...I mean you must clearly know those gangstas out there throwing g's, shooting people, and rapping about thots are clearly emasculated and putting women on a pedestal You haven't answered your own question though: would you be a concubine? [/B]
Nope, I wouldn't.  It's interesting to speculate about but to actually go out to do it, I don't know. I haven't been in a situation where it presented itself to me. But as for now it doesn't sound realistically ideal and I am a sucker for romance.  IP: Logged |
BellaFenice
Knowflake Posts: 982
From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 07:41 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
But as for now it doesn't sound realistically ideal and I am a sucker for romance.
LIES! Aren't you an Air venus? We don't have feelings and emotions. What is that romance thing? And I sincerely mean that from the bottom of my blackened, icy heart. IP: Logged |
KarkaQueen
Knowflake Posts: 5775
From: In my 1st house Uranus and Neptune
Registered: May 2011
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posted July 03, 2014 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
LIES! Aren't you an Air venus? We don't have feelings and emotions. What is that romance thing?And I sincerely mean that from the bottom of my blackened, icy heart.
Loool. My Venus is in the 5th and the Earth Moon and Water Sun helps a lot.
I wish I had Venus in Cancer haha
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MoonWitch
Moderator Posts: 1771
From: The Beach
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 03, 2014 09:50 PM
It would depend entirely on which man I was in love with.edit: ^^ my response to the OP.
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aquaguy91
Moderator Posts: 9785
From: tennessee
Registered: Jan 2012
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posted July 03, 2014 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[b] You people on this forum always want to bring up the exceptions to the rules.. Most men are not in gangs.. Nor are they famous rappers. You could also consider teenage boys joining gangs as an unhealthy attempt to find adult male role models. I was watching a show about prison life a few months ago and they interviewed a young man who was serving a life sentence, he was about my age. When he was asked why he joined a gang his response was "to get girls". Now, why would a young man have the idea in his head that being a gangster is attractive to women? Could it be that his mother and other women in his life taught him that they are through their actions?
If that's true why would you conclude men raised by single mothers are trained to put women on pedestals like there's some sort of vast conspiracy to emasculate men through single parenting by women when a lot of them turn out exactly the opposite when raised by a single woman, ie; exaggerated, masculine, macho personality along with exaggerated disrespect for women instead of mild, meek, worshipping?[/B][/QUOTE]
Ugh....
We are talking about two different things! As I said most men are not gangsers! Some guys respond to that dysfunction by being that type of guy... But most guys do not... Most are taught to be "nice guys" and end up frustrated and angry because that never gets you anywhere in the world.
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BellaFenice
Knowflake Posts: 982
From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 03, 2014 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
That said, a love so strong that it was more powerful than temporal concerns as wealth or looks does sound blissful...I can't recall which thread it was but I think it was fairly recent (but more than a month ago) that someone posted a pic of love recognizing each other through spirit rather than body. These pics get posted all over the place so I wouldn't even know where to begin to look for it, but if anyone knows the pic I'm talking about and where to find it then you should post it here. If nothing else, it's sweet.
Bumping for my sanity, I would like to see that pic too! I definitely remember that one. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
Knowflake Posts: 9454
From: the Point of Light within the Mind of God
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 04, 2014 12:50 AM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
That said, a love so strong that it was more powerful than temporal concerns as wealth or looks does sound blissful...I can't recall which thread it was but I think it was fairly recent (but more than a month ago) that someone posted a pic of love recognizing each other through spirit rather than body. These pics get posted all over the place so I wouldn't even know where to begin to look for it, but if anyone knows the pic I'm talking about and where to find it then you should post it here. If nothing else, it's sweet.
Sure Thing, Pixie.
I actually never looked in this Thread much, because I do feel that way.  ------------------
Love, Ellyn IP: Logged |
mercuranian
Knowflake Posts: 881
From: not here
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 04, 2014 01:07 AM
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Ugh....
Most are taught to be "nice guys" and end up frustrated and angry because that never gets you anywhere in the world. [/B][/QUOTE^^^subjective
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DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 2872
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 04, 2014 01:19 AM
Ohhhhhh yeah.
I think that pic was in the women prefer taller men thread. Good picture! IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
Knowflake Posts: 9454
From: the Point of Light within the Mind of God
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 04, 2014 01:22 AM
If you are closer to the Heart, you can feel it better. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
Knowflake Posts: 2872
From: Pluto with Barbiegirl19
Registered: Nov 2013
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posted July 04, 2014 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by Ellynlvx:
If you are closer to the Heart, you can feel it better.
I remember that too!  IP: Logged |
PixieJane
Moderator Posts: 4948
From: CA
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted July 04, 2014 02:12 AM
Yep, that's the pic I was thinking of. Thanks Ellynlvx. IP: Logged |
Ellynlvx
Knowflake Posts: 9454
From: the Point of Light within the Mind of God
Registered: Aug 2013
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posted July 04, 2014 02:19 AM
Yeah, kind of fond of it myself.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8933
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 04, 2014 11:21 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[b] You people on this forum always want to bring up the exceptions to the rules.. Most men are not in gangs.. Nor are they famous rappers. You could also consider teenage boys joining gangs as an unhealthy attempt to find adult male role models. I was watching a show about prison life a few months ago and they interviewed a young man who was serving a life sentence, he was about my age. When he was asked why he joined a gang his response was "to get girls". Now, why would a young man have the idea in his head that being a gangster is attractive to women? Could it be that his mother and other women in his life taught him that they are through their actions?
If that's true why would you conclude men raised by single mothers are trained to put women on pedestals like there's some sort of vast conspiracy to emasculate men through single parenting by women when a lot of them turn out exactly the opposite when raised by a single woman, ie; exaggerated, masculine, macho personality along with exaggerated disrespect for women instead of mild, meek, worshipping?[/B][/QUOTE]
Ugh....
We are talking about two different things! As I said most men are not gangsers! Some guys respond to that dysfunction by being that type of guy... But most guys do not... Most are taught to be "nice guys" and end up frustrated and angry because that never gets you anywhere in the world. [/B][/QUOTE] How do you know *most* guys do not? The most important thing, Aqua, is to be happy with who you are no matter your personality so long as you are not a brutal, hateful, dictator who puts your loved ones through hell. IP: Logged |
whitewitch111
Moderator Posts: 2286
From: Hillsboro, OR, USA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted July 04, 2014 11:36 PM
The first because the poor ugly man hurt me....IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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Registered: Oct 2011
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posted July 07, 2014 01:57 PM
Concubine. I define it as a single purpose, rapidly depreciating, short product life cycle, high capital expenditure asset with zero salvage value. May cost a lot to have the embarrassing asset dumped. Faced with that choice, I rather stuff the money in my wallet and use my hands. You make it sound as though hard working rich men cannot possibly have loving wives who don't dress like tramps who are stupid enough to get into a stranger's car. The whole discussion irks me.
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BellaFenice
Knowflake Posts: 982
From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 07, 2014 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Concubine. I define it as a single purpose, rapidly depreciating, short product life cycle, high capital expenditure asset with zero salvage value. May cost a lot to have the embarrassing asset dumped. Faced with that choice, I rather stuff the money in my wallet and use my hands. You make it sound as though hard working rich men cannot possibly have loving wives who don't dress like tramps who are stupid enough to get into a stranger's car. The whole discussion irks me.
YTA, honestly you are reaching here. No one in this 3 page post has said or implied that rich men are aholes that only treat women like sex objects. You misunderstood the point of the post. Karka's post started off as joke, followed by a debate on which choice you would choose, almost derailed by the MRA, driven back on topic by Ellynlyx's really nice picture, and now is here. Karka just gave two choices, thats all. No one is attacking wealthy men or insinuating their wives are sex slaves. Of course wealthy men and women have normal relationships. It irks me, however, when I read s.lut shaming in a post. Edit: v What MoonWitch said. The world is not black or white. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
Moderator Posts: 1771
From: The Beach
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 07, 2014 04:52 PM
How about loving wives that occasionally dress like tramps?Or loving wives that sometimes border on trampy dressing? Or loving wives that are loved in return in spite of or because of their unique and quirky fashion style? IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways
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posted July 07, 2014 06:12 PM
I'll slam whatever I consider disgusting and you can squawk all you want, and it won't do a hill of beans. A tramp is a tramp. Dresses like one. Walks like one. Then is one. And Karka is not even 16 years old. Shameful fantasizing about whorish tendencies online while you grown ups fan the flames. I see that shame isn't factored into the equation here. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 8933
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 07, 2014 06:19 PM
Well, you have to keep in mind...there aren't really any concubines in most modern societies. It is an antiquated term most often associated with Kings, Princes and Sultans of a bygone era...so I would not take this thread seriously.I have read about concubines in antiquity. King Solomon had many and most never even met him so it's not like these ladies were actual tramps or ****** . Most of them were deprived any kind of relevant life and were like ladies in endless waiting. They were often lonely and bored out of their minds, waiting in limbo for nothing. Such was their lives. They didn't receive payment, they were virtual slaves belonging to the king or whomever owned them. IP: Logged |
BellaFenice
Knowflake Posts: 982
From: Pseudo-Leo with a 1st House Stellium
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted July 07, 2014 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
IAnd Karka is not even 16 years old. Shameful fantasizing about whorish tendencies online while you grown ups fan the flames. I see that shame isn't factored into the equation here.
Shameful fantasizing about whorish tendencies online You better not be referring to Karka here. S.lut shaming is one thing but attacking a teenager is another. Some women due to financial circumstances, minimal formal education that hinders job options, being forced into this situation, or other reasons choose to be a concubine or whatever you want to call it. Some have no choice unfortunately. I wish women didn't have to be put in this situation, but calling them names only degrades their value into a sexual thing and reinforces male privilege. At the end of the day these women are people too and deserve to be treated no differently than the June Cleaver who wears a pearl necklace and has the accountant husband bringing home the 100k. I change my answer to this question: I would rather be a broke grad student without a husband wealthy in compassion and character. IP: Logged |
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