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MoonWitch
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posted July 07, 2014 08:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I'll slam whatever I consider disgusting and you can squawk all you want, and it won't do a hill of beans. A tramp is a tramp. Dresses like one. Walks like one. Then is one.

And Karka is not even 16 years old. Shameful fantasizing about whorish tendencies online while you grown ups fan the flames.

I see that shame isn't factored into the equation here.



Really? Squawk? I was being very tongue in cheek.

FTR - I have no idea how old Karka is or, frankly, what you're going on about. I was only responding to your post specifically (and jokingly) because my hard-working rich husband married a loving wife that occasionally wears low cut shirts.

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posted July 08, 2014 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:

You better not be referring to Karka here. S.lut shaming is one thing but attacking a teenager is another.

I think you are missing my point entirely.

A teenager ought not to even be here, let alone discuss such gibberish. I won't allow my college aged *son,* now a legal adult, to engage in such discussion.

As for compassion, here are my two cents. No education? No job? Shape up and get both. Life is tough for everybody. Get a grip.

Karka talked about not passing algebra. How about beginning with cleaning up the act in school and preparing for the SATs?!?

You talk a whole lot about female independence and feminist power and all that, but instead of spurring women to better themselves, you rather condone thoughts of trashy behavior for unsavory motivations.

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posted July 08, 2014 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MoonWitch:

Really? Squawk? I was being very tongue in cheek.

Wasn't referring to way you said. Sorry.

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posted July 08, 2014 06:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I think you are missing my point entirely.

A teenager ought not to even be here, let alone discuss such gibberish. I won't allow my college aged *son,* now a legal adult, to engage in such discussion.

As for compassion, here are my two cents. No education? No job? Shape up and get both. Life is tough for everybody. Get a grip.

Karka talked about not passing algebra. How about beginning with cleaning up the act in school and preparing for the SATs?!?

You talk a whole lot about female independence and feminist power and all that, but instead of spurring women to better themselves, you rather condone thoughts of trashy behavior for unsavory motivations.


YTA, It's summer right now and I already know I failed school and wasn't taking it seriously. This is literally my only chance and I won't screw it up this year. When the time comes I will prepare for it.

Realize that you are not my father and I take high offense to you trying to baby me like this.

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posted July 08, 2014 07:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think you should take offense, just remember that he doesn't know you personally. Although I think he was being waaaay too extreme, you're still a kid. The topic is inappropriate for a kid, but hey it is what it is. It's not like you're taking all of this literally, no one is.

Enjoy your summer off, I know I always did. Enjoy school, it goes sooo fast and before you know it it'll be over and you'll forever be an adult. Cherish your teenage years. There are many times that I wish I didn't grow up so quickly back then.

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posted July 09, 2014 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Realize that you are [b]not my father and I take high offense to you trying to baby me like this.[/B]


And that is really too bad. I don't care who you are: Sasha Obama, Lourdes Ritchie (Madonna) or Hailie Mathers (who btw as valedictorian and now at U. Michigan despite the Eminem stereotype), I will speak my mind all the time. It's only for your own good, even if it irritates you (which means it works).

Good that you will refocus your efforts in school next year. Aspire and inspire. Achieve. Be successful.

When it boils down to practical reality, there are two things. One talks. The other walks. Biggie Smalls said it best.

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posted July 09, 2014 06:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
I think you are missing my point entirely.

A teenager ought not to even be here, let alone discuss such gibberish. I won't allow my college aged *son,* now a legal adult, to engage in such discussion.

As for compassion, here are my two cents. No education? No job? Shape up and get both. Life is tough for everybody. Get a grip.

Karka talked about not passing algebra. How about beginning with cleaning up the act in school and preparing for the SATs?!?

You talk a whole lot about female independence and feminist power and all that, but instead of spurring women to better themselves, you rather condone thoughts of trashy behavior for unsavory motivations.


Part of feminism is letting women have the choice to do what they want with their bodies, so thanks for showing me you have no idea what feminism is. I literally said in my post that I wish women didn't have to do this so how is that wanting one to 'bettering oneself?" I'm not going to call someone a ***** because they engage in a sex occupation, your body your choice.

Not everyone has the ability to afford/get education right away. So if I told you my neighbor, who is now in school for a masters' degree, was a former stripper, would you call her a ***** too? She didn't have the resources and education she does now and that was the only viable way she could support her son (mind you a single mother). To me, she was able to 'better herself' by saving enough money to afford school and get the credentials to move forward.

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posted July 09, 2014 08:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for socialgraffiti     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there,

^Seems like the topic's gone a bit out of hand... but to answer your question: I'd be the concubine, contrary to popular belief.

My mom had this decision when she was growing up- not to be a concubine, but to marry a rich man, as some plaything cause she was rather good-looking. She married my dad instead, who was very poor, because he told her that he loved her. Even though she didn't really have feelings for him beyond friendship.

She actually suffered a great deal in their marriage, and was taken away from her family, her friends, and her hometown because she had to live with him. He's also made some really questionable decisions in their relationship that led to both emotional and physical abuse. So, no. I'd prefer not to be the wife.

Being a wife doesn't necessarily mean that you are loved, or that you are treated right.

At least by being a concubine, you have your freedom and the choice to leave. (And the cash doesn't hurt either)

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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted July 09, 2014 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BellaFenice:
Part of feminism is letting women have the choice to do what they want with their bodies, so thanks for showing me you have no idea what feminism is. I literally said in my post that I wish women didn't have to do this so how is that wanting one to 'bettering oneself?" I'm not going to call someone a ***** because they engage in a sex occupation, your body your choice.

It is of no concern to me how you choose to define feminism or lack thereof. Neither my Mrs. nor myself subscribe to any of that. BTW I got myself two As in sociology classes on feminism and gender studies in college, given that you are also focused on education.

Freedom of choice provides one with decision making abilities to choose whatever course of action one would like to undertake. It's my prerogative to opine either way, and it's my opinion in this instance that it is flipping idiotic.

Regarding your esteemed neighbor, it would be tantamount to me asserting that I had no choice but be a pimp or organized gang wise guy to pay for graduate school. There are certainly multiple more appealing options than be that sort of entertainer.

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posted July 10, 2014 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^Meh, and why is there no shame for the pimps? Or the men who visit prostitutes for that matter... Why is the debate and prosecution soley focused on the female sex workers?

Without adequate demand there would be no supply...

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PixieJane
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posted July 10, 2014 01:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think pimps get that much of a free pass (and I believe YTA was morally comparing a pimp to a prostitute anyway). But as for the prosecution, it's both easier to bust prostitutes and it's also more profitable to after the prostitutes and not the pimps (IOW, the courts are also pimps who fine the prostitutes and send them back out to turn more tricks to raise the money to pay the courts).

In addition, prostitutes are easier, it's cost of doing business and the ones who are busted are typically broken spirited anyway with nothing to lose. But the johns who DO have something to lose along with money are much more likely to fight it which isn't as sure or profitable (especially if the case is won and the department sued), and worse, you may bust the wrong person (that is offending someone who can hire and fire the police, not necessarily the john busted).

Though I was gobsmacked when someone showed me a vid he recorded of Houston cops talking about businessmen being robbed and they were going to put a stop to it...and then immediately pose as would-be johns picking up boy prostitutes. Were the majority of the TV viewers really too stupid to realize the police were protecting the johns and putting the boy prostitutes back in their place, or is it an open secret so they didn't care?

Though the worst corruption I heard of (in the USA anyway) was a girl who fled her pimp, got busted, and then when she was released 2 men of the pimp were waiting. The Harris County (Houston) deputies didn't save her though they'd have surely caught the abduction on cam which means not only did a deputy call the pimp (who knew to call him) but that others at least turned a blind eye to it. The pimp shot her in the leg to teach her not to escape (she showed me the bullet scar). That's...terrifying.

Though one told me of a better one...news show a place hiring underage exotic dancers and the reporter goes to them who say the girls are all licensed by the police, so go to police who stonewall and then the story disappears...but now people who want an underage girl grinding in his lap (and spend their money there and elsewhere) know where to go so the report was essentially an advertisement. And then I heard of a girl whose probation officer made her give lap dances to pay the fees (though she at least was of age), it was either that or jail.

Though on the funny side when the Houston cops tried to run a sting of johns to recover from some major scandal a cop tried to rape the undercover cop posing as a prostitute and since the reporters were out to record this publicity stunt they caught it all, including the cop getting his butt beat and arrested. Though I'd bet money the charges were dropped later with a new rule to make sure all cops got the memo when publicity stunts like that were going down.

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posted July 10, 2014 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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PixieJane
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posted July 10, 2014 02:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since I shared I thought I'd share how both a john and a girl got arrested. It's a gray area because the girl didn't sell her body but when a guy offered her $50 (IIRC) to kiss her feet she agreed. Me and the other kids around fled but one of the adults there hung around and after other cops were on the scene (both were busted, btw) with the arresting officer proud of himself he risked talking to him asking how that was prostitution. The cop said anytime there was physical contact for money that could count (keep in mind this is 2nd hand as well as about 16 years ago when he shared this with me, so I'm very fuzzy on details) and he asked what if it wasn't money, what if it was food, cigarettes, alcohol, or a room? He said that counted as prostitution, too.

He then asked if he ever bought a woman dinner, drinks, and perhaps even gave her a place to stay at his home or a motel in the hopes of getting laid. Personally I think he got off lucky just being commanded to walk away after he asked that.

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posted July 10, 2014 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This thread is cringe-worthy.
I thought this was not a sex forum, especially where minors are concerned.

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posted July 10, 2014 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
so thanks for showing me you have no idea what feminism is

YOU have no idea what feminism is.

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posted July 10, 2014 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Karka

You are fortunate you can bond with a community because you can see life is bigger than your home. You will not like everyone, of course, but that is a good lesson in life, too

I wish I had more people to connect with when I was your age. I was so alone with my mother and her crazy ideas.

There are some very good people here who love and care for you and I am one of them, as I hope you know


PS Ian cares for your best interest imo

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posted July 10, 2014 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for MoonWitch     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Wasn't referring to way you said. Sorry.

That would explain my confusion! Thanks for clearing that up.

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posted July 10, 2014 02:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 10, 2014 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[b]so thanks for showing me you have no idea what feminism is

YOU have no idea what feminism is.

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GIIIIRRRRRRLLLL

BYE

Given your previous and current comments on women, don't even play this game with me.

Obviously having taken 5 classes on feminist studies, reading feminist literature daily, and being a member of a women's graduate club focused on women's rights (inclusive to men though) I clearly do not what the fluck I am talking about. This thread really isn't about feminism so do I really need to write paragraphs on it to defend my point?

Da fuq is this comment? I mean if you are going to shade me, at least explain why. Otherwise its a lame attempt at trolling.

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posted July 10, 2014 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You don't need to study feminism to understand it. It is not about politically correct things like birth control etc


It is about respecting yourself. It is about respecting how you interact with men. It is about acting with personal dignity.


It is simple Life 101

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posted July 10, 2014 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BellaFenice     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You don't need to study about feminism to understand it. It is not about what politically correct things like birth control and abortions.


It is about respecting yourself. It is about respecting how you interact with men. It is about acting with personal dignity.


It is simple Life 101


So how do you understand and know what feminism is if you haven't studied it? So how you would know about Greek literature if you never studied it? You don't.

LOLOLOLOLOL. Women have been fighting for equality for decades, and part of that is the right to use abortion and birth control are things that had (and still do) to be fought for.

It is about respecting yourself. It is about respecting how you interact with men. It is about acting with personal dignity

I see your shade, which is hysterical given you are using one interaction with a man in this post, and raise you one.

Explain to me how your constant bashing of women, including the mutilated genitals and dismissing several posters' past abuse experiences part, is respecting yourself, interactions with women, and personal dignity????

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is one thing I have learned on here, but it took me 6 long years and lots of angst. A person can do anything to you on here and if you don't respond, they are fighting with themselves

Part of respect is following your own advice....

As us Italians say: God Bless :shade:

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posted July 10, 2014 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Barbiegirl19     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 10, 2014 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Yin:
This thread is cringe-worthy.
I thought this was not a sex forum, especially where minors are concerned.

What's not allowed on this forum is phone sex operator talk. That is no explicit sexual directions, fantasies, or recollections. If it would get filed under porn or erotica then it doesn't go here.

However, this thread hasn't been about that and therefore is still firmly in safe territory. What's been shared here wouldn't get filed under porn, it would get put in social science. Its focus is history and social issues, not graphic sex talk. This thread is meant to inform (and occasionally to annoy) rather than to titillate. If you can't tell the difference then call a phone sex operator, and what's said there are good examples of what's not allowed in this forum.

And btw, minors often talk about these subjects with each other. I can share from experience that it does more harm than good that adults either lie to kids about the subject (typically to scare them) or refuse to allow them to talk about it as it's then discussed privately amongst themselves with sometimes unfortunate results. (Oh, and I was taught a song when I was 6 about strip dancers from boys the same age, and I believe I was 10 when I was taught to sing a song about "increase my bust, the boys depend on us" or some such from a girl the same age--and that was the Bible Belt.)

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posted July 10, 2014 07:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, speaking of phone sex operators...

"When a man talks dirty to a woman it's sexual harassment. When a woman talks dirty to a man it's $3.95 a minute." --unknown

Meant to amuse.

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Um, neither.

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