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Diandra23
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posted June 21, 2007 08:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
be very afraid...there will be an huge vibration explosion that day...im lucky cause im in Portugal,so i wont feel that vulcano erupting hihihihi

Out of jokes, i think that at least there´s a lot of karmic links going on between you two.
When this happens you can do nothing but let things take its course..for good or for bad.

By seeing all of your placements,which are a lot, my idea is that you already been together many lifes before,have you already looked at all the KARMA THREAD?
IQ in the beginnings talks about the possible past-life relationships we have,looking at the Nodes in sinastry.

For example,he said possibly,when having moon-nn trine/conjunct may mean past life mother figure, or when sun/NN - past life father figure.
I have these with my bf and it makes sense cause theres a lot of nurturing and deep affection betwwen us,apart of our love.

What aspects do you share in the sinastry?

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posted June 21, 2007 08:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, if I don`t answer to your questions rightaway, but before I wanted to share some of the composite - dw`s. I was intrigued by them.

c- Sun conjunct his dr Osiris and conjunct my osiris

c-Sun conjunct my Venus and sextile his Venus

c-Moon opposite his dr Sun and conjunct my Sun

c-Mars sextile his dr Amor and square my dr Amor

c-True Node conjuncts his Juno and trines my Juno (this one made me feel quite strange)

c-True Node conjuncts his Eros and trines my Eros

c-True Node opposite his Amor and trine my dr Amor

c-AC conjuncts his dr Saturn and opposes my Saturn

c-Karma sextiles his dr Saturn and trines my Saturn

c-Valentine conjuncts his dr Isis and squares my dr Isis

c-Juno conjuncts his dr Saturn and opposes my Saturn

c-Amor opposes his dr Valentine and squares my Valentine


And the composite itself contains an interesting connection between multiple asteroids.

Karma is conjunct / opposite Eros, trines / sextiles True Node and trines / sextiles Juno.
True Node is sextile Juno and Eros.
Juno trines Eros.
Hmm, karma, Juno, Eros and True NOde, and in the synastry we have a Grand trine of his Juno and Eros and my Juno and Eros. Interesting.

However, I haven`t read every single page of the karma thread, even though I have read most, but it was soo much.
However, regarding the nodal connections

My Union and Uranus are conjunct his NN.
My dr Venus, Isis and Osiris conjunct his SN.
my dr Jupiter trines his NN.
my dr Pluto squares his NN.


His Venus squares my NN.
his Osiris trines my NN.
His dr Mercury, Mars conjunct my SN.
His dr Venus trines my NN (with 0.00!)
His dr Uranus trines my NN.

I think the dw of Venus-Node is easy to notice. Also, the fact that my dr Venus is conjunct his SN, while his dr mars is conjunct my SN. Maybe it means we have been lovers in a past life, possibly with the same gender roles. Or what do you think?

DD

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Diandra23
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posted June 21, 2007 08:51 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup that venus/NN points to that; i was suspecting that thats cause i´ve asked you to see those

I think also points for you to be lovers on this life - venus trine NN(0º)and his venus squares your NN also.

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posted June 21, 2007 09:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, Diandra, you said, the Venus-NN-connection points to the possibility of being lovers in this life.
Well, I certainly wouldn`t mind. Not at all.
I think it`s a good aspect, because it is a double-whammy.
With past guy I may have had a Venus-NN-conjunction, which looks possibly stronger, due to the conjunction, but it wasn`t a DW.
DW are always stronger imo.
But I`m not sure, can I use dr planets to find dw`s? Do those count the same way as natals-natals do?

Oh, and I noticed something else, we have also a DW of Uranus-Node.
My Uranus conjuncts his NN, and his dr Uranus trines my NN. Seems, we are here to shake each other`s world. Well, he surely has already shaken mine.

Also, I just realized, my dr Isis is conjunct his SN and his Osiris trines my NN. It`s almost like I`m playing the role of Venus / Isis and he plays the role of mars / Osiris.
the fact, that his Mars / dr Osiris is conjunct my Venus / Isis seems to emphasize this possible interaction.
Also, the involvement of the Nodes seems to imply that this is not only a dormant past life memory, but that it plays a role in both of our life`s and destinies, too, or at least the past life - experiences seems to influence the NOW. Almost like our destinies are somehow linked, if that makes any sense at all. Or is it just wishful thinking on my part?
All those exact squares between important natal planets seem to hint, that there`s a very powerful energy between us, but that it certainly isn`t an easy exchange.

What amazes me is that it seems as if it doesn`t matter, which sort of astrology I use. Every kind seems to hint at a strong connection.
For the house-oriented, there`s a very powerful exchange between our houserulers, especially of the 8th house, like the ruler of his 8th house is conjunct my chart-ruler and squares my AC (and my True Node). And the ruler of my 8th house is opposite his chart-ruler and widely conjuncts his Ascendant.
Or like his 5th house ruler is conjunct my Isis, while my 7th house ruler trines his Isis.
His dr Sun falling into my 7th house.
His 4th house ruler conjunct my 5th house ruler (which is similiar to a Moon-Sun-aspect).
Or for those who like Midpoint action, his Sun conjunct my Sun-Moon-midpoint, while my True Node conjuncts his Sun-Moon-midpoint.
Or if someone prefers to look at Vertex. My Antivertex conjunct his Sun, which rules his 7th house, while his Antivertex widely conjuncts my Jupitr, which rules my 1st house.
Or Magi-astrology; we share the magical linkage of Venus contraparallel Chiron, the trust-linkage, the communication linkage, the loyalty linkage, and I think about 5 sexual linkages. Two of them are the Chiron-Juno linkages - and the contraparallel of his Chiron to my Juno is exact, like in 0.0.
There really seems to be a rather strong exchange of energy.

DD

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Hi Taurus,

there can be quite a lot of Draconic-natal aspects like in your case or in Diandra`s or in mine.

I think it`s important to keep in mind to look at the natal synastry first; see if there are main aspects between Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, Saturn, Pluto, NN, AC, Karma and VAlentine, which are under 1°. IQ sais, you should find a minimum of 3 such exact aspects, and only then you should proceed with the analysis. If there are 5 or more such exact aspects, it`s strong synastry.
However, you have checked those, haven`t you?

Then I would like to only pick the most important Draconic aspects (because my poor brain cannot handle so many aspects).
I tend to look at double whammies and exact aspects mainly.

The DW`s I saw in your list:

dr Venus conjunct Amor (0)
dr Amor trine dr Venus

dr Eros conjunct Amor
dr Amor sextile dr Eros

dr Psyche square natal Isis
dr Isis conjunct dr Psyche

dr Karma conjunct drVenus (0)
karma sextile dr Venus
dr Venus trine dr Karma (0)
dr Venus conjunct Karma

dr Karma sextile dr Eros (0)
Eros conjunct dr Karma (0)

dr Amor sextile Sun
Sun trine dr Amor


exact aspects:
Dr AS conjunct Dr Psyche (0)
dr Venus conjunct Moon
dr VAlentine conjunct PoM
dr Amor conjunct ASC
dr AC trine Saturn
dr Vertex conjunct MC
Sun trine dr Moon
Juno conjunct dr Valentine
NN sextile dr Eros
dr Isis trine dr Vertex


Of course the other aspects are also important, but this list helps me to see the "hot spots".
I must say you have really beautiful dw`s.
Venus / Amor, ERos / Amor, Psyche / Isis,
Venus / Karma, ERos / Karma, Sun / Amor.

I don`t know why I all at once have to think of a certain song: "Love is in the air, everywhere I look around. Love is in the air, every sight and every sound."
I know that this is not a proper interpretation of astrological aspects, but that was the feel I got from these double whammies. A very warm, tender and loving feeling, with some spice (the Eros-aspects).
And that Venus-Karma-aspects is so prominent in your comparision, destined to love each other?

DD

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posted June 21, 2007 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow thank you so much Darkdreamer for taking a look!

Following the under one degree orb rule in natal synastry, and using planets you mentioned, with the exception of psyche and eros, I saw these aspects..

Sun and Ascendant semisextile Karma
Venus conjunct psyche
Eros conjunct psyche
Venus trine pluto
Saturn square Psyche
Sun oppose Psyche

would you count these?

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Diandra23
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posted June 21, 2007 03:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi

Darkdreamer, you 2 have it all,even that sun conjuncting sun/Moon midpoint

From another thread:
"Inherent in the symbolism of the Sun/Moon midpoint is the desire for companionship. The Sun/Moon midpoint represents a point of "inner marriage" and symbolizes close personal relationship. This point is very important in any kind of relationship analysis, in addition to natal chart work.

In synastry, the Sun/Moon midpoint is very often activated by the other person's personal planet in significant relationships. If another person's personal planet, and especially the Sun or Moon, forms an aspect such as the ones referred to above, that person represents some kind of promise of integration to the Sun/Moon midpoint owner. Whether or not integration actually happens, this synastry connection offers a promise which can be difficult to resist. Therefore, it is a strong indicator of attraction. Many astrologers assert that significant relationships that lead to marriage or a similar commitment contain at least one of the following interchanges in synastry: one person's Sun aspecting the other's Moon, and/or one person's personal planet aspecting the other's Sun/Moon midpoint."

"So the midpoint is a fusion of our conscious self and subconscious self, and how we can best get them to work together. It is how we can draw upon our past to become what we were put here to become. It is the point where we can synchronize what we want with what we need. And it is how we reconcile the male/female energies within us, and how we seek to find resolution of problems we have communicating with the opposite sex.
If someone you meet has a significant aspect (conjunct, square or opposition) to your Sun/Moon midpoint, the relationship can be very significant. The connection, at least for the Sun/Moon person, will be an intimate one (no matter what type of relationship the two have.)
Of course, the specific planet that links with the other person's midpoint will characterize the connection. For example, if it's Mercury, communication will be a major attractor. If it's Mars, then the relationship may be based on some intense passions. (Not necessarily just a physical relationship.....it may be that the Mars person instills their own passion for something in life into the Sun/Moon person."

I also like the Magi stuff


Taurus, im fine thanks - but better if i was with my bf now :P

Darkdreamer is right sayig that aspect means you´re destined to love eaxh other - and by the Dracos we can see that you were already lovers by all those Dw with asteroids of love.

Let me see you have Drac Osiris trine Drac Kaali - Iq said to me that one of my SM clues were : " His D Kaali trine my Osiris";and you have it on DW - Dra kaali square natal osiris.

You also have Dra Ascendant trine natal saturn (less than one degree)- Iq said that anther of my SM clues were"My Drac Asc conjuncts his Drac Saturn(0º)

You have Dra isis trine Dra sun - i have "My Draconic Isis and Osiris aspect his Sun" - another SM clue.

sO, for me it looks that you might have potencial of SM - BUT like im a newbie only, i´ll ask Iq on those

See if on your sinastry you have isis/osiris/karma/sun close aspects.

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posted June 21, 2007 04:18 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My pc is failing gosh arghhh

Taurus, those are in the sinastry or in the Dracos?

See these: “ 3 minimum exact aspects Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars/Saturn/Pluto/Asc/NN/Karma “

Another thing it might be odd to ask: how do we look for squares and sextiles? I just know the trines,conj and oposes :P

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posted June 21, 2007 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
awww i'm sure your boyfriend misses you too Diandra

thanks for taking a look!
hmm really quickly checking sun/karma/isis/osiris..

there is:
Isis sextile Isis (1.38)
Isis square osiris (.29)
Sun oppose karma (1.74)
sun semisextile karma and ascendant (less than one)

oh and
osiris sextile moon
osiris trine moon/venus

isis sextile ascen
isis sextile ascen

isis conjunct NN

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posted June 21, 2007 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh Diandra,

the ones i put up are natal synastry for the "See these: “ 3 minimum exact aspects Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars/Saturn/Pluto/Asc/NN/Karma “

do u mean how we look up sextiles and squares in general? I cheat looking at linda's relationship signs.. maybe this would help..
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectsinastrology.html http://www.astrology-numerology.com/aspects.html

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Diandra23
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posted June 21, 2007 04:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds powerfull cause the sun/asc/karma are in tight aspect and plus a DW on sun/karma so it looks.

That isis/isis and isis/osiris also look powerfull.

=)I meant that: whenever i looked at the tables of aspects on astro.com in the sinastry, i realised they missed many aspects.

Then,i started making them by hand,looking at the signs and degrees of planets and then comparing with the partner´s planets.
I know how to see if they are in trine,conjunction or opposition, but dont know how to see if they are sextiling or squaring :P

Im going to see the link you gave Thanks so much!

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posted June 21, 2007 04:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, Diandra, it seems so, that we have it all. When I first saw the Sun conjunct my Sun/ Moon-midpoint, I was overwhelmed. Even more so with all the action between transiting and progressed planets going on. Exactly in the week, I`m gonna go to London, both our natal and progressed Sun-Moon-midpoints and True Nodes will be entangled. I wrote on this other thread:

"On top of that my progressed Sun-Moon-midpoint is conjunct his natal Venus and squares his natal Sun-Moon-midpoint / my True Node.
To trigger all that, the transiting True Node sits exactly on his natal Venus, my progressed Sun-Moon-mp and squares his natal Sun-Moon-mp and my natal True Node.
His progressed Sun-Moon-midpoint is conjunct my natal Sun-Moon-midpoint (and his own natal Sun) and square my progressed Moon.

There`s also a strong involvement of Jupiter;
Tranisitin Jupiter is conjunct my natal True Node, and transiting True Node is conjunc tmy natal Jupiter (and therefor also triggers all those connections)


I wonder, what all that Sun-moon-interaction means.

BTW I found the orbs quite interesting:

His natal Sun conjunct my natal Sun-Moon-mp (1°34)
His progressed Sun-Moon-mp conjunct my natal Sun-Moon-mp (1°20)
My True Node conjunct his natal Sun-Moon-mp (1°31)
his natal Venus conjunct my progressed Sun-Moon-mp (0°14)
my progressed Sun-Moon-mp square his natal Sun-Moon-mp (1°12)
My progressed Moon square his progressed Sun-Moon-midpoint (0°21)
Transiting Jupiter conjunct my True Node (0°52)
Transiting True Node conjunct my Jupiter (1°38)
Transiting True Node conjunct his Venus (0°10)

Transiting Jupiter also triggers the conjunction of my Jupiter, his Venus, my progressed Sun-Moon-mp, which is square my True Node and his natal Sun-Moon-mp."

It really starts to scare me a bit, all those connection in the stars. *shivers* What is gonna happen? And if nothing will happen at all, how am I supposed to keep believing in astrology?
But speaking of my Sun-Moon-midpoint conjunct his Sun, how can I resist? no way, I guess I never had a chance to resist it anyway. lol
The thing that comforts me a bit, is the fact that his Sun-Moon-midpoint is also triggered; it is conjunct my NN and square my chart-ruler.

Oh and regarding your question: sextiles are 60° aspects, like between Aries and Gemini, and squares are 90° aspects, like between Aries and cancer.

Taurus,

of those aspects you mentioned, the Venus-Pluto-trine and the Sun-Karma - aspect would definitely count. But are there not more exact aspects between the mentioned bodies?
The other ones look beautiful, too, but can`t be counted to the main bodies, according to IQ.
But that Eros conjunct Psyche, those immortal lovers, hmm, delicous chemistry.
Hmm, maybe you could also check, if there are 2° aspects between the main bodies; I think they do count, even though not as strongly as the exact aspects under 1°.

Diandra, I have one question for you; would you count a semisextile or quinkunx if it completes a DW?
I ignored those till now, because they are said to be weak aspects.
But if those counts, well then I kind of see a DW between Karma and Saturn in my case.

His Karma quinkunx my Saturn
My Karma sextile his Saturn (one of the exact aspects)

DD

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posted June 21, 2007 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Taurus80     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks so much Diandra and Darkdreamer

If i were to use a 2degree or under with those same aspects I would also get:

Sun oppose Karma
Karma semisextile Sun and Ascendant
Moon sextile NN
Karma trine Moon
Moon conjunct Pluto
Ascendant conjunct NN
Sun trine venus (2.5)
Valentine sextile moon and pluto
Pluto sextile NN

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Diandra - Planets sextile one another when they're 60 degrees apart. So you'd check the sign that's 2 signs forward and you'd also check the one that's 2 signs back. (Example: 16 Libra sextiles 16 Sag and 16 Leo.) Planets square one another when they're 90 degrees apart. You'd check the sign that's 3 forward and also the one that's 3 back. (Example: 16 Libra squares 16 Cap and 16 Cancer.) I hope I didn't misunderstand your question.

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Taurus,

well, IQ said a while back then that the one true love (I guess he was talking about the ONE, the twinsoul) would have strong exact aspects to you.
I did a little reseearch and I found that indeed in all committed and profound relationships (even though not always with an happy end), there were at least 3 exact aspects between those bodies, often there were at least 4 or 5.
But aspects with a 2° orb are still very tight and I think they can indicate a close relationship and attraction, too.
After all the narrowing of the orb and all those rules are only there to help us see the real important connections. What does it help to get heart fluttering about a 7° Venus-Mars-conjunction, while there`s a 1° Venus-Saturn-square? I guess the interaction between those persons would be more Saturnian than passionate.
Also, many people would have those wide orbed aspect to our planets, but in synastry we strive (at least I do) to see the SPECIAL ones, those we have a very unique connection, too, which is not shared by thousands of other people.
I think that is the reason to look out for exact aspects and even more so for double whammies, which point to a definitive "hot spot".
Having said that, I believe that you can allow a wider orb in dw (Ì tend to use a 3° orb here, if one of the aspects is within 2° orb; Ik now those orbs are still tight, but I want to see what`s really happening, not what I wish to dream about).

Do you have such double whammies between natal planets? Those would be VERY important.
I see you have a Sun-Karma-dw, opposition and semisextile. WEll, I`m not yet sure about the semisextile, if you can use it as an aspect, because it is said to be a weak one. On the other hand, in my opinion aspects are derived from the zodiac and mirror the connections between the signs.
For example, Aries and Gemini are a sextile aspect (I guess my take on aspects has been formed mainly by Linda Goodman).
But Aries also has a connection to Virgo and Scorpio (his quinkunx-signs) and Pisces and Taurus (his semisextile-signs). It`s maybe a muffled connection, one you cannot see too clearly, but it is there, subtely in the background.
Still that doesn`t help me to decide if I can use a semisextile, quinkunx for dw.
In any case the main aspects are defintely stronger imo.

But, now, I think a 2° orb is still very tight and very much felt.
And you have a lot of interaction here, especially with the Moon.
I`m probably biased (with that actor I share some Moon-aspects, too, like Moon conjunct Uranus, Moon opposite Saturn, Moon sextile Neptune, Moon trine Pluto, Moon trine Nadir, Moon sextile Karma), but I like Moon-aspects very much.
I think they point to a very emotional and deep exchange (of course it depends on the aspect itself). And furthermore, Moon is a fast moving object, so very individual and unique, a good sign.
There are also some aspects with Karma and NN, seems it is a love, written in your life path. And it seems to involve nurturing and caring for each other because of the Moon aspects.
And this Moon-Pluto-conjunction is very much about emotional passion and depth, sometimes a bit obsessive or maybe posessive I guess.

But it would be interesting to see if you have double whammies between natals (including asteroids).
IQ said somewhere I guess, in Twinsoul - relationships there are at least 3 dw`s. I hope that was right.

DD

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Oh goodie! A new way to interpret charts--Draconic Composite. I'm not sure if this has any meaning, but I looked up our Draconic Composite and compared it to our regular composite. (I looked at the Planets, Angles, Chiron, Karma, Valentine, Amor, Eros, Psyche, Lust, Isis, and Osiris.)

Aspects with less than 1 degree orb:
Dr SUN conjunct PLUTO (our most exact aspect)
Dr SUN sextile SATURN
Dr SUN trine VALENTINE
Dr LUST conjunct SUN
Dr MOON trine URANUS
Dr MOON sextile CHIRON
Dr ASCENDANT conjunct LUST
Dr ASCENDANT square OSIRIS
Dr CHIRON sextile ASCENDANT
Dr KARMA square MC
Dr AMOR conjunct VENUS
Dr AMOR square SATURN
Dr EROS conjunct AMOR
Dr URANUS trine EROS
Dr PSYCHE conjunct JUPITER
Dr PSYCHE square MERCURY
Dr OSIRIS conjunct NEPTUNE
Dr ISIS trine JUNO

1-2 degree orb:
Dr IC conjuncts MOON
Dr ASCENDANT conjuncts AMOR
Dr URANUS trines ASCENDANT
Dr VENUS sextiles JUPITER
Dr NEPTUNE trines VENUS
Dr MARS squares KARMA
Dr JUNO conjuncts KARMA
Dr OSIRIS sextiles VALENTINE
Dr OSIRIS squares VENUS
Dr OSIRIS conjuncts SATURN
Dr OSIRIS sextiles PLUTO
Dr CHIRON sextiles EROS

What I really liked about this comparison is that it turned nasty squares in our composite into beautiful trines and sextiles in our draconic-to-composite comparison. For instance, we have a Saturn/Neptune/Jupiter conjunction that squares our Sun/Venus/Mercury conjunction. But our Draconic Sun/Venus/Mercury sextiles our regular composite Saturn/Neptune/Jupiter . And our Draconic Saturn/Neptune/Jupiter trines our regular composite Sun/Venus/Mercury. Voila, like magic, squares turn into lovely trines and sextiles.

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hmm, this could be a a juicy topic, i think before applyting to synastry, look at the asteroid interactions in ur own natal chart.see if the action is repeated in synastry.
i have natally,

Kali at 29.5 Gemini, conjunct Sun at 0 Cancer , moon at 3 Cancer
Valentine conjunct Atlantis at 18 Taurus.
as clear from prevous threads i m a Tantric follower, so Isis and Osiris are not as important for me, also being an Indian, Siva represents the Father and Kaali the Mother Principle of our Higher Selves

in synastry ,
my Draco Valentine conj his True Node at 5 Aqua
His Draco Valentine conj my Natal Venus conjunct Chiron at 25 Tau.
his Draco Atlantis on my South Node.
in composite
Comp. Valentine conj True node ( deg, min , sec)
Comp Venus exactly quindecile Pluto


WE were split into 2 sexes after the fall of Atlantis , aa confirmed by IQhunk .
i had been receiving insights from my meditations that , my natal Valentine conjunct Atlantis meant my Valentine, was last with me then, he was my Twin Soul , thus the marker for me is my Valentine. check for such markers in ur natal chart, and ask ur Higher Selves for guidance, it always works. look at the above . how freaky can it get !!!!!!!!!!!!

but wait , here's our synastry..

( 3 DEG ORB .THOSE EXACT MARKED WITH *)

his sun opp my sun
his sun opp my moon*
his moon and mars square my KAALI ,*
his moon and mars square my sun* and moon
his saturn conjunct my venus and chiron
his chiron quindecile my pluto*
his chiron opp my mars*
his pluto square my KAALI , sun ,moon
his Pluto square my ISIS
his KAALI conjunct my saturn
his KARMA conjunct my PLUTO
his PLUTO quindecile my KARMA
his ISIS conjunct my KARMA
his sun conjunct my JUNO*
his JUNO conjunct my SATURN*
his KAALI AND SPIRIT oppose my KARMA ( 2 deg) conjunct my SATURN (2 deg)
his KARMA opp my KARMA
his MOON and Mars in my 1 house
his PSYCHE conjunct CUPID * on my D.C. at 16 virgo.
the sabian for the above aspect gave me chills... " An ouija board "
his eros conjunct my vertex
his venus sextile my uranus*
my venus and chiron sextile his mars
my neptune decile his venus
his neptune M.C.ruler conjunct my uranus*
his D.C. ruler jupiter conjunct my M.C. *
his D.C. ruler jupiter conjunct my neptune in my 10 house
his M.C. Ruler Neptune conjunct my Uranus
his OSIRIS trine my KAALI, sun amd moon.*
his OSIRIS sextile my ISIS
his VALENTINE square my KAALI * , sun, moon
his PARVATI conjunct my Vertex*


DRACONIC TIES
his Dr. VALENTINE 25'12 Taurus conjunct my Tr. venus 25'25 Taurus and Tr.Chiron 25'40 Taurus
his Dr. PLUTO 26 '2 Scorpio opposes above aspect
my Dr.VALENTINE conjunct his True node*
his Dr. SIVA conjunct my Dr. Valentine degree, minute and second!!!
his Dr.CHIRON conjunct my Dr. D.C.*
my Dr. Venus conjunct Chiron conjunct his D.C.*
my Dr. venus conjunct Chiron conjunct his Dr. jupiter and mercury
my Dr. Pluto septile his Dr. Venus
( the number seven stands for our Higher Selves)
his dr. OSIRIS opp my Tr. PLUTO
my Dr. union conjunct his Dr. Pluto*
my Dr. KARMA conjunct his Tr. Sun
my Dr. cupid conjunct his Dr. Chiron*
his Dr.Psyche conjunct my Tr. SIVA*
his Dr. VALENTINE conjunct my Dr. PSYCHE
my Dr. Neptune conjunct his Dr. Ascendent*
his Tr.Neptune conjunct my Dr. Ascendent*

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posted June 22, 2007 05:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hmm, this could be a a juicy topic, i think before applyting to synastry, look at the asteroid interactions in ur own natal chart.see if the action is repeated in synastry.
i have natally,

Kali at 29.5 Gemini, conjunct Sun at 0 Cancer , moon at 3 Cancer
Valentine conjunct Atlantis at 18 Taurus.
as clear from prevous threads i m a Tantric follower, so Isis and Osiris are not as important for me, also being an Indian, Siva represents the Father and Kaali the Mother Principle of our Higher Selves

in synastry ,
my Draco Valentine conj his True Node at 5 Aqua
His Draco Valentine conj my Natal Venus conjunct Chiron at 25 Tau.
his Draco Atlantis on my South Node.
in composite
Comp. Valentine conj True node ( deg, min , sec)
Comp Venus exactly quindecile Pluto


WE were split into 2 sexes after the fall of Atlantis , as confirmed by IQhunk .
i had been receiving insights from my meditations that , my natal Valentine conjunct Atlantis meant my Valentine, was last with me then, he was my Twin Soul , thus the marker for me is my Valentine. check for such markers in ur natal chart, and ask ur Higher Selves for guidance, it always works. look at the above . how freaky can it get !!!!!!!!!!!!

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posted June 22, 2007 05:55 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jane,

yes, I know what you mean.
With that actor I have some nasty synastric squares, but in the draconic synastry they become wonderful trines (mostly) and sextiles.
Of course that is because his NN is exactly quinkunx the Aries-point. Therefor all his dr planets form an exact quinkunx to their natal equivalent.

Example:
His natal Mars falls into Capricorn, and has a quinkunx to my natal SN, DC and an exact square to my Pluto.
But in the Draconic thsi Capricorn-Mars becomes a Gemini Mars and is therefor conjunct my SN, DC and exactly trines my Pluto.

DD

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but wait , here's our synastry..

( 3 DEG ORB .THOSE EXACT MARKED WITH *)

his sun opp my sun
his sun opp my moon*
his moon and mars square my KAALI ,*
his moon and mars square my sun* and moon
his saturn conjunct my venus and chiron
his chiron quindecile my pluto*
his chiron opp my mars*
his pluto square my KAALI , sun ,moon
his Pluto square my ISIS
his KAALI conjunct my saturn
his KARMA conjunct my PLUTO
his PLUTO quindecile my KARMA
his ISIS conjunct my KARMA
his sun conjunct my JUNO*
his JUNO conjunct my SATURN*
his KAALI AND SPIRIT oppose my KARMA ( 2 deg) conjunct my SATURN (2 deg)
his KARMA opp my KARMA
his MOON and Mars in my 1 house
his PSYCHE conjunct CUPID * on my D.C. at 16 virgo.
the sabian for the above aspect gave me chills... " An ouija board "
his eros conjunct my vertex
his venus sextile my uranus*
my venus and chiron sextile his mars
my neptune decile his venus
his neptune M.C.ruler conjunct my uranus*
his D.C. ruler jupiter conjunct my M.C. *
his D.C. ruler jupiter conjunct my neptune in my 10 house
his M.C. Ruler Neptune conjunct my Uranus
his OSIRIS trine my KAALI, sun amd moon.*
his OSIRIS sextile my ISIS
his VALENTINE square my KAALI * , sun, moon
his PARVATI conjunct my Vertex*


DRACONIC TIES
his Dr. VALENTINE 25'12 Taurus conjunct my Tr. venus 25'25 Taurus and Tr.Chiron 25'40 Taurus
his Dr. PLUTO 26 '2 Scorpio opposes above aspect
my Dr.VALENTINE conjunct his True node*
his Dr. SIVA conjunct my Dr. Valentine degree, minute and second!!!
his Dr.CHIRON conjunct my Dr. D.C.*
my Dr. Venus conjunct Chiron conjunct his D.C.*
my Dr. venus conjunct Chiron conjunct his Dr. jupiter and mercury
my Dr. Pluto septile his Dr. Venus
( the number seven stands for our Higher Selves)
his dr. OSIRIS opp my Tr. PLUTO
my Dr. union conjunct his Dr. Pluto*
my Dr. KARMA conjunct his Tr. Sun
my Dr. cupid conjunct his Dr. Chiron*
his Dr.Psyche conjunct my Tr. SIVA*
his Dr. VALENTINE conjunct my Dr. PSYCHE
my Dr. Neptune conjunct his Dr. Ascendent*
his Tr.Neptune conjunct my Dr. Ascendent*

Always look at the bigger picture, look for Asteroid interactions in ur chart, like my example, look at the Valentine, Karma, Isis- Osiris playin in ur natal, then in ur partners, then synastry then composite.
dont think mathemetically, u can have excellent synastry with hundreds, but only one Valentine

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darkdreamer - Hmm, I wonder how to interpret when draconics take hard aspects and make them easy. If the draconic chart is a higher level chart, what our soul must learn in this lifetime, maybe easy draconics mean that when we operate at a higher spiritual level those interactions will become easier. But as long as we stay stuck in a more materialistic, less spiritual mindset, we will have particular problems with those aspects. I'm just bs'ing...I have no clue what to make of it.

venusdeindia - Good point to study our natals first. Amor is an important asteroid for me natally. I have it exactly (to the minute) conjunct my N.Node. My bf and I have conjunct NN's, so my Amor also conjuncts his N.Node. It makes me think that it's my destiny to unconditionally love and that he's my partner for that and that my destiny also becomes his while we're together.

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This became a lovely thread

Taurus,

now its much more better,as Darkdreamer said: those karma/NN/aSC IN 2ºORB are much more significant than the others ( but that eros/psyche is VERY IMPORTANT thought- in the zodiac 6 soul mate clues that is one of the clues you know,and few people has it as i have seen here).

Dardreamer,
WOw did you chose ramdomly that day you are to be meeting him? cause the way transits are..well its impossible for you 2 not to be overwhelmed by each other that day -

Jane and Darkdreamer thank you so much for the help pn those; now I can see what i have to do hihih ( Jane that way of counting forward and back is way lot easier)

Hmmm about those DW i always had the same doubt you know..semisextiles,quicunx and all that are consideres minor aspects but still..if they are in exact aspect i think still count for a DW

but when IQ ´s back i´ll question that to him also,or Izo cause shé´s also very good on these

GOSH - theres so much to see at charts;we are always finding new stuff like these Draconics!

I´ll be back with more

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posted June 22, 2007 09:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus,

I agree on looking for patterns, and I guess, I`m a bit in tune with the Egyptians asteroids.

I looked at Isis, Osiris, Horus, Anubis, Sphinx, NOfretete, Echnaton and Tutenchamun.

Isis conjunct Osiris (0) conjunct Venus (2)
Isis / Osiris / Venus sextile HOrus/Echna (0-1)
Isis / Osiris / Venus trine PoM (0)


Horus sextile Venus (2)#
Horus conjunct chartruler (3)
HOrus sextile PoM (0)
HOrus square NEptune (1)
Horus square Node (2)
HOrus square AC (1)
HOrus conjunct Echna (0)

Nofretete conjunct Sun (0° on 25° Sagittarius!)

Tutench trine chartruler (1)

Echna square Node (3)
Echna square AC (0)
Echna sextile PoM (0,5)

I also looked at the actor`s chart:

Isis sextile Node (3)
Isis square PoF (3)
Isis trine Nofretete (3)

Osiris trine HOrus (1)
Osiris conjunct Anubis (2)
Osiris trine Tutench (3)

Horus trine Anubis (3)
HOrus square Venus (0)

Anubis conjunct PoM (2,5)
Anubis trine Tutench (0)

Sphinx conjunct Mars (0)
Sphinx sextile Venus (0)

Nofretete opposite Moon (0)
Nofretete conjunct SN (0,5)

Tutench trine PoM (2)

Echnaton trine PoM (3,5)


And interestingly his draconic Osiris conjuncts his Mars and Sphinx (and also conjuncts my Isis, Osiris, Venus).
And I found something else in the draconics; I didn`t do them thoroughly, just had the idea, there could be a dw like that.

In my chart:
dr Echnaton opposite natal Nofretete (2°)

in his chart:
dr Echnaton conjuncts natal NOfretete and SN (0)

Mmh, I`m sure that means something;


The synastric and Draconic connections with those asteroids are:

My Isis/ Osiris/Venus conjunct his Mercury
My Isis/Osiris/VEnus conjunct his Mars#
My Isis/Osiris/Venus conjunct his dr Osiris
My Isis/Osiris/VEnus conjunct his dr Anubis
My Horus / Echna conjunct his Venus
my Anubis /PoF conjunct his dr Isis
my dr Isis / Osiris conjunct his SN
my dr Isis / Osiris conjunct his Nofretete
my dr Anubis conjunct his dr Karma
his dr Isis conjunct my dr Pluto
His dr Isis conjunct my dr PoF
His HOrus conjunct my AC
His HOrus conjunct my Node
His HOrus conjunt my Neptune
HIs Echnaton conjunct my VAlentine

My Nofretete opposite his dr Sun
My dr Isis / Osiris opposite his Moon
my dr Anubis opposite his Amor
His Horus opposite my dr Moon


my Isis/Osiris/Venus trine his dr Horus
My Anubis / PoF trine his dr Nofretete
My Nofretete trine his Isis
My Nofretete trine his dr Valentine
my dr Isis / Osiris trine his Isis
my dr Horus / Echna trine his Moon
My dr Horus / Echna trine his Node
His Isis trine my Sun
His Isis trine my dr Venus
His Osiris trine my Node
His Osiris trine my AC
His Anubis trine my Mars
His Anubis trine my AC


My Horus / Echna square his Horus
my Anubis / PoF square his Moon
my Anubis / PoF square his Node
my Anubis / PoF square his Nofretete
My NOfretete square his VAlentine
My dr Horus / Echna square his Valentine
His Isis square my Valentine
his dr Echnaton square my dr Nofretete


my Isis/Osiris/Venus sextile his Venus

My Horus / Echna sextile his Mercury
My Horus / Echna sextile his Mars
My Horus / Echna sextile his dr Osiris
My Horus / Echna sextile his dr Anubis
My Anubis / PoF sextile his VAlentine
my Anubis / PoF sextile his PoF
my Anubis / PoF sextile his Echnaton
my dr Horus / Echna sextile his Isis
my dr Horus / Echna sextile his Nofretete
his dr Isis sextile my Valentine
his Anubis sextile my dr Moon
his Anubis sextile my dr Karma
His Nofretee sextile my dr Echnaton

*Sighs* it`s become a long list again. sorry.
There are some interesting aspects in there, but I found especially interesting that

my Valentine conjuncts his Echnaton
and
his dr Valentine/ Isis trines my Nofretete / Sun

DD

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posted June 22, 2007 09:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Diandra,

no, I didn`t choose this date deliberately, I checked the transits afterwards, and almost had cancelled my trip. lol They are a bit scary, aren`t they?

DD

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