posted June 23, 2007 12:09 PM            

I think the vertex should be counted, isn't it suppose to be a "fate" marker

posted June 23, 2007 12:37 PM              

I could be better but well..life dont always turns the way we want

Im going to a party where my friends are waiting for me, but when im not with my bf i feel quite lonely,even with other people.

But im goin to have a great time still

posted June 24, 2007 06:55 AM              

I hope you had a great time on the party.

Well, what do those interconnections between Isis, Osiris, NN, and the other mean?
Hmm, no, Echnaton and Nofretete are no love asteroids. They were historic pharao and his wife. but they were more than that. they were partners, which means, she ruled the land as much as he did, and they loved each other deeply, until something terrible seem to have separated them from each other, at least emotionally.
Was it the death of her daughter? Was it the fact that she didn`t bear him a son and he took a mistress, who bore him a Sun, Tut-Ench-Amun?
Hmm, maybe this actor and me are the reincarnation of Echnaton and Nofretete.
I`m only kidding; I`m sure there is a row of esoteric oriented people, applying for this job.
Even though I wouldn`t even want to be that, because their life was full of glory and bliss, yes, but then again it was also full of heartbreakingly pain and ended on a great note of bitterness, at least for her.
But in the light of this, it seems a little bit more than strange than in the first dream I had of that actor, he actually told me: You`ll be carrying my son. This scared me really, because I surely have not be thinking of carrying a child, no matter if daughter or son, and certainly not with him!
Venus de India spoke about the loss of memory, and that reminded me of something. Some years ago I was in a museum in Berlin, visiting an exhibition of ancient times, Greek, Roman, Egyptian, everything.
However, there was a room, where they exhibited something about Nofretete and Echnaton; I remember that I went into the room, and I remember that I left the room again. But I have no memory of being in there, it`s like this time has been erased from my memory. But oh well, my memory is misleading anyway.
I could have sworn we had an Egyptian print on our wall when I was little. Actually I remember two printings: one with the king and the queen and a Sun on it. And one with Anubis in the underworld.
Well, we still have an Egyptian hunting scene hanging on the wall.
But when I asked my mother about those two other prints, she swore we never had these. I believe her, she has an excellent memory, but still I could swear, I have often seen those printings in earlier times. *shakes head* I really do have too much fantasy, I guess.
However, maybe we have actually lived in Egypt, maybe even in the times Echnaton ruled, and maybe the energ of this time has been engraved in our souls, and those asteroids rememeber us, that this energy is still within us.

But the thing is I never pictured myself in Egypt. I was fascinated, always, with Egyptian mythology, but after I had my first encounter in a young age with a short excerpt about the story of Echnaton and Nofretete, I rejected everything Egyptian. I didn`t want to have anything to do with it. Somehow, reading the story, was like opening a wound, that has never healed. I cannot describe it better than this. It just hurt. Maybe I was just a very compassionate child.

However, if I should guess an age, I was reincarnated with him, then it must have been in old England, in celtic times.
Because I did actually have a vision of us in those times, and a good friend of mine had the same vision of us, without me telling her before! So I guess, I should investigate the Arthurian-asteroids, too.

DD

posted June 24, 2007 07:07 AM            

I have VALENTINE sextile VENUS.
He has VALENTINE conjunct VENUS.

And that's it! Those are the only tight aspects either of us has with Valentine or Venus. We each have more with wider orbs though.

I'm really getting into looking at the aspects made in the natal before going ahead to synastry. I did this with KARMA also and found something interesting. His Dr KARMA is in Libra and conjuncts my natal KARMA (0º), so my KARMA and his DrKARMA make identical aspects with his natal chart.

My Karma and DrKarma together make only 4 tight aspects in my chart. His Karma and DrKarma make 15 tight aspects in his chart!

Something else that caught my eye is that my KARMA and DrKARMA make many hard aspects to his chart, particularly my DrKARMA. My DrKARMA only makes squares.

posted June 24, 2007 07:49 AM            

But when we use N.Node, are we supposed to be using Mean Node? I don't know why I've always thought it was the True Node.

Sadly, I am completely ignorant about the Egyptian asteroids. All I know is that Horus was the son of Isis and Osiris. But there are plenty of knowledgeable people around. (And you really shouldn't receive information from someone who doesn't know what the N.Node is. That should be the litmus test for qualifying to give out astrological advice. )

posted June 24, 2007 08:52 AM              

Venus conjunct Chiron at 25.2 Taurus
Pluto at 24.2 Libra
Neptune at 25.2 Sagg.

when Transit Pluto passed over the G.C. at 25 Sag, this Yod, was activated, and i started on working my Relationships, value systems , love ideals etc, ( quincunx) that were in fact completely dislodged from my Depth ( Pluto ) and Spiritual Beliefs ( Neptune).

when tr. Pluto advanced to oppose my natal Kaali at 29.5 Gem and conjunct my natal Isis it activted my natal Divine Feminine aspects. IQ told me this opposition in my natal gave full awareness of Kundalini i'e the divine feminine Shakti or powers. True but they would not have mattered in natal or synastry until Pluto activated them.I turned to Tantra...

( F.Y.I. what is sold off as Tantra in the west is as close to the real thing as a monopoly gameboard to real life commerce )

posted June 24, 2007 08:53 AM              

A Spanish Gallant Serenades His Beloved

26-27 deg Taurus

An Old Indian Woman Selling The Artifacts Of Her Tribe To Passerby

27-28 deg Taurus

A Woman, Past Her "Change Of Life", Experiences A New Love

""""
lets just say they are freakishly accurate

as for valentine,
i have Valentine at 18 Taurus conjunct Atlantis 15 Tau
ATLANTIS quincunx SATURN ( oh boy)
Valentine square Anubis
Valentine Quincunx Sumeria

the Sabian for Valentine is
18-19 deg Taurus
"""
A New Continent Rising Out Of The Ocean

19-20 deg Taurus

Wisps Of Winglike Clouds Streaming Across The Sky

20-21 deg Taurus

A Finger Pointing To A Line In An Open Book

""""
i have been able to partially ecode the above, still gotta work on the rest.
but the bottom line is this, my Venus YOD activation completely changed my perspectives on verything that Venus represents. Pluto is still not done with me : eek:

I have to take Tr. Pluto opp my Sun and Moon yet,
DD when i said i have lost memory and consciousness i meant memory of the person i was before the Pluto sneaked up on me

by the way Jane, Draconic in synastry reveals Soul contract between the parties, take this

my Dad's DR. Karma conjunct my Dr. Sun at 17 Pisces ( no Karma action in the natals)
this means being my father or father figure is our spiritual agreement , so that we can grow spiritually, also IQ said this also represents residual Karma, he may have been father or brother in a previous life and we are continuing from where it ended.

Mom's Draco Valentine conjuncts my natal Ascendent at 16 Pisces precisely.
her love for me transcends that of a mother , it is my fortune really, she is a gem.

posted June 24, 2007 09:02 AM            

No worries, I understood what you meant about checking natal aspects. It's just that I have hardly any involving Venus. I listed what I have and was surprised to find that my bf also had the same few natal aspects involving his Venus.

posted June 24, 2007 11:14 AM            

I hope you're feeling better and had a great time at your party

Oh Jane and venusdeindia have a great point, maybe in natals some planets, asteriods are not prominent, so would not make such an impact in synastry as it would in other peoples synastry.

venusdeindia- your parents charts to yours and each others sound so full of love I saw you post about them in another thread, what would you say are the most important aspects in their synastry? what works for them?

DD- wow those sound like vivid dreams, maybe you should post them in the astral realms place, Ra is really helpful ohhh and yes look up more Arthurian-asteroids!

I just looked up Dra mars/Dra Sat and saw in these charts:

posted June 24, 2007 03:07 PM              

Yes i had a great time at Saint JOHN ( hihih) parties, had an amazing fireworks!!

well,maybe your uncounscious made you feel horrified by that episode of that egypsian gods cause you might have lived in their time and testemony that things? - im just guessing - i would love to have lived in Egypt culture that time ago..
IQ said that placements in isis/osiris/NN/Sun could indicate the best soulmate for this life,tahts cause he gives it so much meaning
Did you already saw if there are celtic asteroids?t would be interesting to look at those in your sinastry.
I´vea lready investigated the Arturians,i made a thread about it" more on asteroids" -i think im gonna passed to there all our sinasty asteroids interaspects,so taht when IQ arrived,and if i ask sweetly - he could take a look and find other past life connections

VenusdeIndia,
how do you see what kind of mission,in matters of love, do we have in this life by the natals?

Jane,
Egyptian asteroids,as well as Arthurians are a blast - for me at leats i devour all books and films about those things

posted June 25, 2007 11:06 AM              

I`m glad you had such fun at the party.

Yes, I think you could be right, maybe I (we) have lived during that time. It feels very familiar at least.

I didn`t know that Isis / Osiris / NN / and Sun was THAT good. The best soulmate for this life?
Oh well, then it seems we would be really good soulmate material.

I checked some celtic asteroids, but I only checked those two love-triangles from the Arthurian legend, Lancelot, Guinevere, Arthur and TRistan, Isolde and King Marke.
I left out Camelot, Merlin and some others, even though there are also tight links (like our Merlin`s opposite each other, and conjunct / opposite Sun and Dr Sun and stuff like that), but it all gets too much.

I also want to write them in a different order this time.

ASPECTS WITH NODE KARMA SATURN AND VERTEX

his SN conjuncts my dr. Guinevere (0,5)
His NN sextiles my dr Marke (1)
His dr Karma opposite my Lancelot (3)
His dr Karma trine my ARthur (2)
His SAturn square my Lancelot (2)
HIs Vertex sextile my Lancelot (1)

My Karma trine his Lancelot (1,5)
My Karma conjuncts his Tristan (1)
My dr Karma trines his dr Marke (2)
My Saturn conjuncts his dr Lancelot (1,5)
My Saturn trines his dr Tristan (1)
My Vertex sextiles his Guinevere (1)

ASPECTS WITH AMOR AND VALENTINE

His Amor opposite my Lancelot (3)
HIs Amor trine my Arthur (2)
His dr Amor square my ARtzhur (1,5)
His VAlentine trines my dr Isolde (2)
His dr VAlentine trines my dr Tristan (2)
HIs dr VAlentine conjuncts my dr Marke (3)

My Amor trines his Arthur (0)
My Amor trines his dr Isolde (2)
My Amor opposite his dr Marke (2)
My dr Amor conjuncts his Guinevere (0)
My dr Valentine trine his dr Lancelot (1,5)
My dr Valentine square his Tristan (0)
My dr VAlentine trine his dr Tristan (0)

ASPECTS WITH SUN MOON AC

His Sun conjuncts my ARthur (1,5)
HIs Sun square my dr Tristan (0ß,5)
His Sun opposite my dr Isolde (0)
HIs dr Sun sextile my dr Tristan (0)
His Moon opposite my dr Guinevere (0)
His dr Moon conjuncts my Isolde (2,5)
His dr DC conuncts my ARthur (0)
His dr AC square my dr TRistan (1,5)
His dr AC conjuncts my dr Isolde (1)

My dr Sun sextile his Lancelot (1,5)
my dr Sun sextile his Tristan (1)
my Moon conjuncts his Lancelot (2,5)
my Moon trine his Tristan (0)
my Moon square his dr Tristan (0,5)
My dr Moon conjuncts his dr Marke (3)
my DC conjucnts his dr Marke (3)

ASPECTS WITH VENUS AND MARS

his Venus conjuncts my dr Lancelot (3)
His Venus sextile my Guinevere (0,5)
His Venus sextile my dr ARthur (1,5)
His Venus sextile my Marke (1)
HIs Mars conjuncts my Guinevere (1)
His Mars trines my dr Arthur (2)
HIs Mars trines my Marke (0)

My Venus conjuncts his dr ARthur (3,5)
My Venus conjuncts his Marke (3)
My dr Mar sconjuncts his Guinevere (2,5)
My Mars opposite his dr Marke (1)

ASPECTS OF THE CELTIC ASTEROIDS

my Lancelot trine his dr Lanecelot (1)
my dr Guinevere square his ARthur (2)
my dr Guinevere trine his dr Arthur (2)
my ARthur sextile his Guinevere (1)
my TRistan sextile his Isolde (2)
my Tristan square his dr Isolde (2)
my Tristan conjunct his Marke (0)
my Isolde conjuncts his dr Isolde (1)
my Isolde square his Marke (0)
my Isolde sextile his dr Marke (1)

DW:

his dr Karma opposite my Lancelot (3)
my Karma trine his Lancelot (1,5)

his Saturn square My Lancelot (2)
my Saturn conjuncts his dr Lancelot (1,5)

His Amor trines my ARthur (2)
My Amor trines his Arthur (0)

His dr Valentine trines my dr Tristan (2)
My dr VAlentine trines his dr Tristan (0)

His Sun squares my dr Tristan (0,5)
His dr Sun sextiles my dr Tristan (0)
My dr Sun sextiles his Tristan (1)

His Venus sextile my Marke (1)
My Venus conjuncts his Marke (3)

His Mars conjuncts my Guinevere (1)
My dr Mars conjuncts his Guinevere (2,5)

His Mars trines my Marke (0)
My Mars opposite his dr Marke (1)

my dr Guinevere trine his dr Arthur (2)
my ARthur sextile his Guinevere (1)

Aren`t some of those aspects beautifule? *sighs*
Even though it seems that there is a slight emphasis on the married couples, Isolde - Marke, ARthur - Guinevere.
I have no idea what it means, but it seems to imply that my vison wasn`t maybe too wrong at all.

However, there`s more to it.
I realized, that some of the celtic asteroids overlay the Egpytian asteroids in our charts. I looked only at the conjunctions / oppositions in our individual charts.

My chart:

my dr Lancelot conjuncts my Echnaton (0)
my Tristan conjuncts my Isis (4)
my Tristan conjuncts my Osiris (4)
my Guinevere conjuncts my Isis (2)
My Guinevere conjuncts my Osiris (2)

His chart:

his dr Guinevere conjuncts his Isis (3)
his Isolde opposite his Nofretete (2)

(in his chart there are also trines between Echnaton and ARthur and dr Isolde)

Seems, the celtic and egyptian asteroids are connected in both our horoscopes, and therefore also in the synastry.

posted June 25, 2007 12:10 PM              

Im like you, fascinated with all these findings.
Of course we cant expect to always have wonderuffl aspetcs whenever we´re searching new asteroids stuff, cause then we´would be generalising it

VenusdeIndia is right on saying to look in our natals their influence and then look at the sinastry - that way we´ll filter what may not matter of the asteroids.

im fellin quite stupid nowM; i was also seeing at astro some egyptian asteroids.Then, i cliked on an icon ive never looked before "show all aspects" and in the tables appeared the missing interaspects i´ve talked about
NOW i see the real picture of how much is goin on between me and my bf ( concerning asteroids) hihihi

posted June 25, 2007 05:33 PM              

yes, I agree with you. Those asteroids might enlighten past lives, but I tend to get carried a way so easily with all those new possibilities. I know you will understand that.
But in the end we should really keep in mind, what is important and what shows strong connections.
That is the natal charts and the synastry with main objects, as IQ so often emphasized.
I still would choose a tight Venus-Ascendant-conjunction over a Tristan-Isolde-aspect anytime. lol
Well, speaking of those asteroids, I actually checked the natals before, and only after I realized, how tightly those asteroids are in each natal I checked further.

But besides the usual planets, what asteroids would you think are the most important ones? I try to really focus on the meaningful ones.
My list for now would be:

Karma
Valentine
Amor

Isis
Osiris

Juno
Eros
Psyche

What would you say?

Taurus,

I actually posted that dream in astral realm last november, and Ra helped me a lot with it.

posted June 25, 2007 09:24 PM            

I hope that you're all great and are still dreaming in degrees and aspects!

Hiya Dark!

My Isis 22.57, Osiris 20.3, Giza 23.20 in Capricorn. All opposite that big ole' "conglomeration" in Cancer:

His Venus 23.54 and Mars 21.49 and my:
Karma 21.16
Jupiter 24.27
MC 24.55
Child 22.35
Soma 24.36
Anubis 17.7

(There are lots more connections to the Egyptian asteroids, but I'll wait for IQ to come back to tell us what to look for since I'm clueless as to what they mean.)

I'm VERY curious about SOMA because I keep seeing the word since I looked up the asteroid. What a coinkidink!

Jane...don't feel bad! I did the exact same thing when I first figured my Draconics. I did almost all of them the wrong way and had to redo them! Skkkerrratch!

Diandra...Did you and your make up yet?

Venus...do you think you could help with a weird configuration in my synastry that has me puzzled?

I'm going to Google "Soma" and see what I can find!

posted June 25, 2007 09:34 PM            

1. The body of a person as contrasted with the mind or psyche. (I keep seeing the word "soma" along with the word "Psyche." Wonder if the asteroids are connected!?)

2. An intoxicating or hallucinogenic beverage, used as an offering to the Hindu gods and consumed by participants in Vedic ritual sacrifices. In both Vedic and Zoroastrian tradition, the drink is identified with the plant, and also personified as a divinity, the three forming a religious or mythological unity.

When is IQ coming back? He's our Asteroid Guru!

posted June 25, 2007 11:48 PM            

Here's a good link that I found. http://www.falconastrology.com/vertex.htm

posted June 25, 2007 11:52 PM            

"The term “Draconic” chart or Zodiac comes from the Latin word for dragon—the Caput Draconis being the Dragon’s head or North Lunar Node. The “Cauda Draconis” is the dragon’s tail or South Lunar Node. We often think of the Nodes as Destiny, Karma (in Hindu astrology especially) and fate. The Draconic Chart exemplifies something quite potent about our choices and the consequence that follow—and how we respond. Like the North Node, it says something about where we are headed, if we choice to reach out, and like the South Node, it says something about where we have been, what is comforting to the soul. Think of it as the “purpose” behind who and what you are.

posted June 26, 2007 03:08 AM            

I guess since I'm an Iq disciple , if he recommends using the Mean Node for the Draconic, I'll change my stats. Otherwise, I'm cool with the True Node. It won't really change much for me anyway b/c my Mean and True Node are less than a degree apart.

EighthMoon - Janester? Sounds like my own mad scientist hamster breed.

posted June 26, 2007 06:02 AM              

Eighth,

aha, so your Isis, Osiris and Giza - karma axis falls flat onto my Sun-Moon-mp, - Vertex, Eros-axis. What does your Karma have to do with my turning point in life?

Taurus,

yes I love reading Kim`s side, too, but most of the times the orbs are too wide for my taste. However, I looked at some more aspects in the synastry with other asteroids, and noticed that this actor`s pan falls directly onto my ASC-NN-Neptune-conjunction and my Pan falls flat onto his dr ASC. Hmm, looks like a juicy position.

DD

posted June 26, 2007 09:17 AM              

Eightmoon,

i dint break up with my bf hihihi
We just had an argument for he´s being too selfish these last days and i didnt liked it

The thread you were looking about Draconics is the one called raconic Analysis arkdreamer - http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013843.html

IK said for him it didnt matter use the True or the Mean,if theu didnt differ by more than one degree.
In that thread Eightmoon said: " "The TRUE NODE is always used because this is the position of the Node after correction for the perturbations caused by the gravitational forces of Sun and Moon."

Found this quote at: http://www.solsticepoint.com/dragontxt.htm

from the link you gave."

Hope it helps!