posted January 26, 2014 08:11 AM            

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Originally posted by summerlite:
You are supposed to do astrology with an open mind. If you keep rejecting others' opinion, you will never learn.

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I am open and discerning, my Friend. I try to be, to the best of my ability. That is all one can do. Also, one Astrologer will not be right for every client or person, just as one therapist will not be right for every client.

God made everyone different, so certain people would resonate with other people.

I am not the right person for everyone but I am for many people as shown by the fact that about 1500 people visit my website a day.

To the people who do not resonate with me, they need to find an Astrologer with whom they do. There are all kinds of Astrologers out there and someone for everyone!

Thanks for the input and take care.

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posted January 26, 2014 09:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would like to get the conversation off me and back to the asteroids.
For the people who don't like the way I do Astrology, consider me a speed bump and ride over me. If you see 10 speed bumps, go slow

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You never learn a thing, do you? The only one making this thread about you is you.

posted January 26, 2014 09:22 AM            

We both want the same thing, so let's move on

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posted January 26, 2014 09:57 AM            

PS That was a Freudian slip but it is so cute I am gonna leave it. I meant move on lol

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posted January 26, 2014 10:15 AM            

That is why we talk about Astrology. It is not a competition to see who has the best interpretations of the asteroids.

I want to learn and I think everyone on here wants to learn.

That is the point of coming on LL, as I see it.

We want to have fun, too, and share.

I think that Cupido did not have the intent to deceive and you guys showed me that.

I think he was just more of a clueless person when he deceived and that is an important distinction.

I appreciate our discussion very much

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posted January 26, 2014 12:26 PM            

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Originally posted by AimlessIvy:
I, too, do not perceive Cupido as predatory in nature; my research seems to suggest that Cupido behaves in an almost irresponsible way - not out of recklessness , in my experience, but out of a kind of youthful immaturity.

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I agree with that assessment. Cupido to me is similiar to the Page of Cups or maybe even the Knight of Cups in tarot.

Also on a personal note (and then I will get on topic again )I wanted to say that I regret not having had the chance to get to know you better and your perspectives on astrology.
I understand your reasons to leave so soon, but just wanted to say that I would have liked to learn more about your thoughts relating astrological interpretations.

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posted January 26, 2014 06:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Here is the thing with the asteroids, Ceri. If you are just gonna say Cupido is an attractive guy, then what about Eros, Apollo, Sappho, Adonis,Casanova( but that is clearer) on and on.

One must get the shades of meaning in the asteroids and they are there.

One must use them in charts enough, as well as try to extract the essence from the myths.

No one is doing that out there but me, as far as I know, and I think it needs to be done. That is why I am doing it

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Ami, I can assure you, those of us who've been at this for decades have amassed quite a lot of research. Of course, it needs to be done - and we've been doing it.

One such I'd love to introduce to you, as it was the first exposure I ever had to Cupido, back in 1995, was from the pioneering Martha Lang-Wescott in her seminal text 'Mechanics of the Future'. No one was really doing asteroid research except for Zane Stein, and his focus was Centaurs.

So, I don't think she'll mind my sharing her conclusions on Cupido (which she distinguished as Cupido-A to separate it from the Uranian of the same name.)

'The glyph shows 'a shielded Venus', because Cupido-A in manifestation is a close relative of Venus and the Uranian point, exhibiting similar interests in love, relationships, beauty, and art. Analysis of Cupido-A in the natal chart is best done with reference to natal Venus - comparing and contrasting the signs, houses, and aspects of each. Like derivative angles, Cupido-A often shows 'a different level' of Venusian manifestation. Of course, both Venus and Cupido-A 'attract' individuals with aspect to their degree.'

That seems a rather sound start, as it links back to Venus, which, being its originator in the myth, I feel is logical and worthy of consideration in interpretation.

Adding in the investigation of both you and Ceri, we could easily derive the 'look of love' since it has to do with beauty and art, or, something I rather liked, attraction features at the beginning of courtship.

posted January 26, 2014 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by AimlessIvy:
I, too, do not perceive Cupido as predatory in nature; my research seems to suggest that Cupido behaves in an almost irresponsible way - not out of recklessness , in my experience, but out of a kind of youthful immaturity. I have Cupido conjunct Mercury in Sagittarius and I think Cupido here enhances my ability to flirt with humour and wit, but in an almost child-like way. (Cupido also conjuncts my asteroid Witt, incidentally.)

I have been lurking about LindaLand for a year or so and came across the site whilst researching some such asteroid at the time. I have been studying astrology for more than 25 years but have only started focusing on the asteroids in the last year or so. I would imagine that there are many other astrologers not on these boards who are also interested and active in asteroid research. I have learnt a lot from the shared knowledge on these boards and have only recently found the confidence to post, though I did feel as if I may be able to contribute ‘something’ at some point. (Natal Moon in Gemini conjunct Saturn, in the 11th – I still struggle with self-confidence when it comes to being vocal in groups, even online, so it was a big deal for me to start posting here.)

However, this will be my last post. Of late, I have been reticent to post not because of my usual lack of self-confidence but because of some of the responses that I have read being posted by others. Since I struggle to vocalise my thoughts and knowledge, and thereby grow both personally and astrologically, I was encouraged by the warm and friendly response that I saw so often around here when I was but a lurker.

A few days ago, I read a response to a post here: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum33/HTML/000141.html where the poster wrote: “Yes, if one had childhood abuse, one will repeat it. People will say you can stop it. I don't think you can w/out a miracle from God and these do happen, but are rare.”
I was not only deeply, deeply personally offended by that statement but was also surprised that it was a statement that was allowed to remain on that thread. As a site that has a dedicated space for new astrologers, (and I happened upon the art when I was a teenager), and appears to encourage young people too, it is my view that that type of statement is wholly irresponsible. If I had come across it as a traumatised, young woman looking for self-knowledge I can only imagine the potential detrimental impact that it could have had. Notwithstanding my firm belief in freedom of expression, the statement was posted by a Moderator and it does not seem unreasonable to suggest that new visitors to the site would assume that a person moderating a site about astrology would be reasonably knowledgeable about such and would have a mindful and responsible approach to posting about the topic. There is nothing knowledgeable, mindful and responsible about the statement in point, in my opinion.

Having this morning read this thread on which I am posting I am once again struck by what I perceive as the unfriendliness towards, and attempted intimidation of, others. I do not recall reading anywhere on LindaLand that if I did not agree with the OP’s perception, that I should start a thread elsewhere. This clearly stifles open debate but was suggested on this thread to another poster, (and it’s not the first time I’ve seen such). Similarly, there is talk on this thread of: “I just want to limit the debates” (!?!)

I’m becoming scared to post at all now. And I’m miffed because I’ve become quite fond of the place and was starting to find my feet. My unaspected Mars in Scorpio is not easily intimidated but where there is no openness for debate and what appears to be no responsible oversight of the overseers, there is no place for me.

I know no other person here on LindaLand. I have no agenda other than furthering my passion for astrology but my eyes are in pain and my heart is sad from constantly having my enjoyment of the site marred by what, offline, is known as plain bullying. I have no comment on the intent or self-awareness, (or lack thereof), of the person(s) doing the bullying but I do call a spade a spade.

I am grateful for what I have learned from LindaLand and, in particular, those people who have taken the time to personally respond to my posts – thank you again.

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AimlessIvy, just from your single post, I'm deeply disheartened to see you go. Besides, no one but an expert should be making sweeping statements about psychiatric conditions or mental illness - not to mention 'sociopath' is NOT a REAL term. But I'm not going to split hairs.

What I WILL say is that passing such equally capricious judgement is not only irresponsible, but disrespectful and unprofessional. There is ZERO proof that those who have suffered abuse will go on to perpetuate it - ZERO. This is OPINION. NOT FACT. It should NEVER be stated as ANYTHING but.

AimlessIvy, in short, I don't blame you for leaving. But I would love to continue a dialogue somehow. We astrologers are a rare breed, but we ALL have limits.

posted January 26, 2014 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am open and discerning, my Friend. I try to be, to the best of my ability.

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Ami, please understand I mean this with respect and genuine concern. You are NOT coming off as open-minded, but blindingly judgemental, going so far as to state opinions as equally blind fact. This is no way to help others. This is offensive, disrespectful, and ostracising. One is already leaving because your ill-conceived opinion piece was touted as fact, and VERY offensive to a larger slice of the population than we'd like to admit. That's just not helping.

Please, from the bottom of my heart, I implore you to do less judging and declaring and more listening and learning.

posted January 26, 2014 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

I agree with that assessment. Cupido to me is similiar to the Page of Cups or maybe even the Knight of Cups in tarot.

Also on a personal note (and then I will get on topic again )I wanted to say that I regret not having had the chance to get to know you better and your perspectives on astrology.
I understand your reasons to leave so soon, but just wanted to say that I would have liked to learn more about your thoughts relating astrological interpretations.

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posted January 26, 2014 07:04 PM            

I'm glad that you've changed your position after having several astrologers debate the point, but it isn't without casualty. That bothers me. I respect conviction when it's valid and can easily - and graciously - be proved. I understand you've felt attacked for your 'against the grain' stances on things, but, bear in mind: when playing the maverick, you're bound to encounter opposition from the convention. That doesn't make one correct over the other; I'm all for the convention needing to adjust to incoming progress. But it doesn't make the maverick right JUST because it's the new-and-untested stance.

Let me tell you, as a scientist, I've had more than my share of hypotheses proved. Longer you do science, that's status quo. Sometimes, you hit upon something that proves you right; that's a great day. But like Edison, we've all become experts in how NOT to make a lightbulb.

I acknowledge that, in my quarter-century as an astrologer. I've also been very hesitant to carve anything in stone, even if I was one of the first to pioneer delineations of the Vertices. I'd done my research. I felt confident and impassioned. And so I did it.

Hell, I felt a similar pull with ALICE and MADHATTER. And I'm constantly testing my theories there; I'm always listening, evaluating, and looking. I very rarely outright disagree with a fellow astrologer, and I'll flat out research and test their hypotheses even if I do. That's just good science. Refusing theories which don't match yours out of hand and being equally unwilling to even debate the point? That's not science. That's dogma. And why the hell would WE be dogmatic?

I think I've said my piece. I'm a scientist. I have my theories and equal respect for those that oppose my views. I honestly expect nothing less of anyone here at Lindaland. After all, what was Linda herself, but a bold, respectful pioneer? Never disregarding any synastry, and believing in the power of love to overcome?

So let's embody that - for real. And, is it really so much to ask that we behave as the cosmic scientists we are and quit with the dogma? I've been civil, understanding, and not speaking to the matter.

But members leaving and widespread discontent should be enough of a clue that 'my way or the highway, you can shove on, love you, kiss-kiss' is hardly befitting of an astrologer.

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posted January 26, 2014 07:11 PM            

I have a certain style which is different than many people on here but there is no reason everyone cannot work together for the betterment of all.

Lets forget the past of who did what and who was open or not. Lets start now to try to share with each other and enjoy the Asteroids.

The thing I want is a peaceful, fun Forum. I don't want the kind of bickering that has been in some Forums.

I hope each person, including me, can try to just be respectful and know we are here for a good time and learning, not to fight.

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posted January 26, 2014 07:13 PM            

I think we all will have a great time if we can be kind to each other, try to leave our egos behind, the best we can, and enjoy talking about what we love--Asteroids.

Some people come on the internet to fight. It is like road rage because it is anonymous.

I just don't want that in this Forum. This is kind of an intimate subject and we share our lives. I want it to feel warm and accepting to everyone who comes on.

If each person makes an effort, this Forum can be amazing.

I will start by trying to walk with kindness and grace to all.

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posted January 26, 2014 07:21 PM            

Born again means to be born into everlasting life. Not to be born into a religion. Everlasting life is to achieve immortality of the physical body.

The bible was written by the founding church fathers 300 years after Jesus' ministry. Jesus never established any religion...

This is coming from someone who has been extremely discerning in all aspect's of life, including what I know today. And for me the bible has always been missing something very profound.. Taken in blindly by the masses of the people, to keep them in the dark and away from their divinity. It makes people fear God and think that God is outside of themselves. Which is not love at all.

posted January 26, 2014 07:25 PM            

Astrology is a science of the electromagnetic energy of the universe impinging on the person.

I know many Born Again people disagree but I feel God gave me this calling.

I woke up in the middle of the night 6 years ago and a Voice told me to study Astrology.

I prayed and tried to determine if it was God and I feel it was.

I reach many people for Jesus through the vehicle of Astrology so here I am

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posted January 26, 2014 07:34 PM            

When Jesus said, 'u spoke in my name but you never knew me', I know he was talking about people in religion, because they truly don't know him.

posted January 26, 2014 07:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I am open, my Friend. I would admit it if I were not.

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I'm very glad to see that. I know it's not easy. I can't recall exactly where my ECHO is - I'm going to say near my SUN or SATURN as well - I know it was exactly conjunct my Twinflame's NARCISSUS. You were spot on about that, incidentally. So you've no doubt got a gift when it comes to dissemination, and can approach from an intuitive standpoint.

But some things require good old fashioned research. I'm glad you're making your marks in places - and you're really so early into things, too. So I just ask you be a bit more mindful when making sweeping statements or refusing debate.

I've learnt SO much here from SO many people, as well as having the gift of sharing my decades of knowledge, experience, and research. There's SUCH a wealth of information here. You'll never stop learning if you approach things as a scientist. I guarantee it. You'll never argue ad hominem, either. There's something to be said for ignoring trolls, and this wasn't that from what I saw. It seems to me members were genuinely hurt and offended, and for reasons I can't see justified.

posted January 26, 2014 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think Ceri and I worked together and it was good. No one was nasty. No one had to be right. That is how I would like this Forum to operate.

I think we all will have a great time if we can be kind to each other, try to leave our egos behind, the best we can, and enjoy talking about what we love--Asteroids.

Some people come on the internet to fight. It is like road rage because it is anonymous.

I just don't want that in this Forum. This is kind of an intimate subject and we share our lives. I want it to feel warm and accepting to everyone who comes on.

If each person makes an effort, this Forum can be amazing.

I will start by trying to walk with kindness and grace to all.

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I couldn't agree more. And Ceri alone has taught me more than I can articulate. There are so many wonderful astrologers here; we get so much further when we work in concert.

posted January 26, 2014 07:53 PM            

Being a scientist makes it easier to navigate this human world and earthly realm. Being a spiritual person has helped clarify a sense of purpose.