posted August 07, 2014 06:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I believe her only true issue was your wording, that's so easily said...maybe even with a smile and playful words. All this could have been handled with so much more respect and dignity for who we are. It's such a simple thing to take the high road, I wish we could all try hard to keep that as our goal.
I've seen many times young ppl admire the ones who are the tried and true astrologers and want to be like them and maybe jump the gun...n don't research enough, I've done it myself!
It's not a reason to belittle anyone, but then again there is never a good reason to belittle someone else.
Who knows you might stumble into some truly amazing stuff that we all missed and will change lives and help ppl understand themselves better....don't stop putting yourself out there, even if you stuck your foot in your mouth it's worth it!
I enjoy jumping and giving help to new theories no matter if they pan out or not....it's the feeling of working together and bonding that is beautiful, perfection is great but bonding is just as important!
I've stumbled into many interesting asteroids just by noticing patterns in several charts...what I do is put it out as a question and ask for others to check it out with me...that way no one thinks I'm going to be stumbling anyone. Maybe next time if try that it might be easier for others to understand where your coming from and nobody could take offense, you think?

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Yes, I have just added a post to see people's experiences with BML and sun/etc.

It's just an experiment. I hope that this time people would agree more. x

posted August 07, 2014 06:26 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Your question didn't make sense.

But I apologize anyways.

You can blame my mercury square pluto, with my mercury exalted in virgo. I hate the opposite of common sense. Sorry.

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You were rude again. Saying I don't have common sense.

Sorry if my question was too much for you to wrap your head around.

posted August 07, 2014 06:30 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Yes, I have just added a post to see people's experiences with BML and sun/etc.

It's just an experiment. I hope that this time people would agree more. x

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I'm sure it will!!
Your from Canada...do you speak French?

posted August 07, 2014 08:13 AM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Thanks for understanding finally.

Even if you may think I'm delusional, I don't care because I don't believe I am. I believe it's you guys because you don't even consider my theory even a little. You're the one missing out on it.

You believe in indigo's researches and believe whatever she says. That only shows that you're only good for following and being a sidekick.

Bye.

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Yes. Exactly.

Anyway, I advise you (and everyone else in this thread) to be a little careful and not getting offensive in trying to "bring our point across".

posted August 07, 2014 08:18 AM            

Yes. That.

posted August 07, 2014 08:35 AM            

This is Enthusiasm Vs. Experience.

But it is dangerous to disseminate anything as truth that has not been strongly evidenced.

I am research-minded also.
I am also enthusiastic.

Research is often a long journey, with many hurdles.
It is very tempting to skip the journey and jump to an assumption, but in reality, it is wasting good time.

I wonder, has it ever been considered to have a forum here purely for "Theories", "Discoveries" or "Experiments"?

posted August 07, 2014 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
You were rude again. Saying I don't have common sense.

Sorry if my question was too much for you to wrap your head around.

Also Mercury isn't exalted in Virgo. Mercury is Masculine and doesn't do well with feminine earth signs.

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posted August 07, 2014 01:56 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Thanks for understanding finally.

Even if you may think I'm delusional, I don't care because I don't believe I am. I believe it's you guys because you don't even consider my theory even a little. You're the one missing out on it.

You believe in indigo's researches and believe whatever she says. That only shows that you're only good for following and being a sidekick.

Bye.

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posted August 07, 2014 02:13 PM            

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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Hi Gabby. I agree with you. I am always open minded about research and I would have loved it if we could do a research and see but even before considering my theory, Indigo attacked on it and called me delusional, spoilt brat, and many other names. I never even forced my opinion on anyone. I'm open with logical reasoning. But Indigo was downright mean about it.

I never wanted such an argument to happen.

I hope that it won't happen again.

Mia xx

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She's a child, Gabby. All she wants to do is argue. I addressed errors in her 'theory' and the fact that she had not actually DONE research to where she could CALL it a theory. As Amelia stated, 'exploratory research'.

As can be clearly referenced in her original thread, I pointed out certain factors from which I thought she could learn, being so very young, and she reacted -- frankly -- in a way that, I feel would have embarrassed her parents. I know I would have been.

Hers was just one instance of many, sadly. I'm fighting a constant battle for the legitimacy of astrology. Haphazard, careless -- and then insulting -- threads like hers REALLY send me into a rage. Rightfully so.

I'm a very calm, extremely generous and enlightened person. So long as you treat me and others with respect.

posted August 07, 2014 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
MiaPluto,

could you please perhaps consider that you can sound like a brat with entitlement issues when someone merely questions you on what you only later start calling a THEORY? If you title something "The Truth" that implies it is the one and only truth for you, no other things that may likewise be true need apply, position taken. There is nothing "Hey guys, look, look, I found this thing, I think it's something nobody else yet found out!" in enthusiasm about calling something THE TRUTH. /SOLEMN BOOK OF TRUTH AT YE ALL

Statistics plays a certain part in all astrological research. Most people here never have enough of a sample size to state something as anything even remotely like the truth. This doesn't mean that we don't discuss the things that have turned up in charts that WE personally run into. Even in this place people run into different kinds of things since their own chart leads them to attract more of a one thing than another. That one thing may be something more common in general as well, but without dozens or hundreds of more people it's hard to say that much about its actual general relevancy to, say, people in our grandparents' age (born 1910 in some of our cases, and considerably younger in some other people's cases) OR perhaps then those still to be born another 20 years from now. Research piles up and leads to further theories if there is something that pops up enough times overall.

In your case you have what you have as your thing around you. It doesn't negate the fact that, as pointed out to you already, everybody will dislike something about someone. Even their partners or loved ones. Whether that correlates to something specific in a chart or not demands looking at not only what appears to be the apparent cause but also a dozen other things that could likewise be a contributing factor or perhaps even more of a better reason for the observed thing. It's okay to look at one factor only, but it implies that there may be the 5-15 other fronts that you're not looking at (since they don't interest you or something else).

What happens around one person is not necessarily what happens around 500 others, although it can or may be. I don't expect everyone to meet Virgos with Scorpio rising and a Fire moon although most Virgos that I've met also have Scorpio rising.

Mostly, perhaps don't use THE TRUTH as a subject line if you don't meant to bash people over the head with "THE ONE AND ONLY TRUTH, NO OTHER TRUTHS NEED APPLY BECAUSE I CALLED IT THE TRUTH. BECAUSE 5 PEOPLE. THAT I KNOW. NAVEL OF THE UNIVERSE." It possibly doesn't work. All the more if talking theories.

Also doesn't help calling people questioning your theory straight off delusional or implying people are Cold and Calculating Horrible People Probably Not As Worthy As You and Your Opinions if they happen to be dentists. What have you got against dentists as well? Rhetorical question, but maybe you see the point why you come off as "I know best, ya'll can F. off, 'cause I know best, lalalala not listening, my thing = TRUUE"?

Merely an observation. What the conclusion is or other aspects of all that not included. The subject line would be "Chill," with potential for upcast eyes.

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posted August 07, 2014 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
If you title something "The Truth" that implies it is the one and only truth for you, no other things that may likewise be true need apply, position taken. There is nothing "Hey guys, look, look, I found this thing, I think it's something nobody else yet found out!" in enthusiasm about calling something THE TRUTH.

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I wanted to especially stress this.

I started in astrology at 9, and began communicating online with professionals at age 14. I was NEVER so conceited as to treat them with disrespect, or to declare that my OBSERVATIONS were FACT.

At age 16, I began lecturing monthly on the Pro Astrology circuit. That saw the small 'publication' of an online pamphlet on the Vertices. I had the privilege of Solar Fire, circa 1995, which allowed me to do research on the ANTIVERTEX, something that had not been really investigated prior. It was exciting.

But it was a theory. A published theory -- but a theory.

Nearly 20 years later, to ME, it feels almost factual. But it's still theory.

Never in my life would I have been so arrogant, so disrespectful to the giants in the field -- or those who associate with them; frankly, anyone who had 'paid their dues' and contributed meaningfully to everyone's experience.

And, no. I can't stand idly by whilst a spoilt child treats my friends and colleagues this way. NOT AT ALL. So, as Keela had concisely and perfectly stated, there's a tacit etiquette here. If you're young, you learn it. If you're inexperienced and being informed of your error -- you LISTEN.

posted August 07, 2014 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
She's a child, Gabby. All she wants to do is argue. I addressed errors in her 'theory' and the fact that she had not actually DONE research to where she could CALL it a theory. As Amelia stated, 'exploratory research'.

As can be clearly referenced in her original thread, I pointed out certain factors from which I thought she could learn, being so very young, and she reacted -- frankly -- in a way that, I feel would have embarrassed her parents. I know I would have been.

Hers was just one instance of many, sadly. I'm fighting a constant battle for the legitimacy of astrology. Haphazard, careless -- and then insulting -- threads like hers REALLY send me into a rage. Rightfully so.

I'm a very calm, extremely generous and enlightened person. So long as you treat me and others with respect.

When you don't? WATCH OUT.

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posted August 07, 2014 03:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
[b] She's a child, Gabby. All she wants to do is argue. I addressed errors in her 'theory' and the fact that she had not actually DONE research to where she could CALL it a theory. As Amelia stated, 'exploratory research'.

As can be clearly referenced in her original thread, I pointed out certain factors from which I thought she could learn, being so very young, and she reacted -- frankly -- in a way that, I feel would have embarrassed her parents. I know I would have been.

Hers was just one instance of many, sadly. I'm fighting a constant battle for the legitimacy of astrology. Haphazard, careless -- and then insulting -- threads like hers REALLY send me into a rage. Rightfully so.

I'm a very calm, extremely generous and enlightened person. So long as you treat me and others with respect.

When you don't? WATCH OUT.

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posted August 07, 2014 03:52 PM            

Yes, it's sad. But I won't be insulted by a spoilt child. I just won't. My patience has run out.

My ALEKTO is naturally strong; I'll tolerate rudeness only for so long. If someone is apologetic, all is well. If they continue to defend their position -- and spew endless vitriol -- I reach a point where the Rubicon has been passed, and the warning shot will be fired.

posted August 07, 2014 04:15 PM            

If that child then begins treating other adults with disrespect? Ohhhh, no.

So I have to ask: do we honestly let children run amok here and treat everyone with disrespect? I greatly question this girl's character. My experience as a psychologist and profiler tells me we're dealing with a spoilt and entitled personality who will slap you and then start crying; 'I never did ANYTHING! Oh, I'm innocent! She was mean to me! I just want harmony!'

Apologies, but I don't buy it.

IF, and I mean this sincerely, this IS the way we do things in this respect, I will accept that's the law of the land and return to Option #1: The Ignore Button; as my costar says, The Unpersoning.

Mia will simply no longer exist to me; I will avoid her threads -- or merely not interact with her. Call it an online restraining order, but one in which I enforce myself.

posted August 07, 2014 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I'm under a tremendous amount of stress right now. Pretty much had an emotional breakdown on Tuesday. There's a repetitive theme in my life at the moment, arrogant kids who have no respect for their elders. It floors me. I don't understand this mentality. I have respect for everyone -- until they show me SUCH disregard, and mistreatment of those I care about, and value. Then, I truly am done with them. 'Ignore button'.

Yes, it's sad. But I won't be insulted by a spoilt child. I just won't. My patience has run out.

My ALEKTO is naturally strong; I'll tolerate rudeness only for so long. If someone is apologetic, all is well. If they continue to defend their position -- and spew endless vitriol -- I reach a point where the Rubicon has been passed, and the warning shot will be fired.

Gabby can tell you some of the transits and progressions I'm under. She's got it natally!

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posted August 07, 2014 06:08 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
I know, athene. Maybe I'm having an ALEKTO Return. I've seriously been like a vegan Hannibal Lecter; rather than 'eat the rude', it's more like 'seriously admonish the rude for being rude.'

God, I'm becoming like my costar.

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posted August 08, 2014 02:51 AM            

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I'm a very calm, extremely generous and enlightened person. So long as you treat me and others with respect.

When you don't? WATCH OUT.

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I don't know much about astrology, but one thing I have already learned: Indigo knows more about it than I ever will, and you don't mess with Indi.

(Not to comment on this specific debate-- just a general rule I tend to follow)

posted August 08, 2014 06:18 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Yes and what about the aspects these conjunctions make? Why no info on this?

What if BML is conjunct the Sun, trine Moon, with not one negative aspect at all? Id hardly think this would result in 'hate' at all.

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It doesn't matter what you "think".

In my experience my theory works. I never agreed with the accepted meaning of BML and never understood it. It made no sense to me yet this does.

idgaf if you don't believe in it. But Let me tell you that you shouuld stop trying to convince me otherwise because it will make no difference.

Thank you.

posted August 08, 2014 06:23 AM            

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
You were rude again. Saying I don't have common sense.

Sorry if my question was too much for you to wrap your head around.

Also Mercury isn't exalted in Virgo. Mercury is Masculine and doesn't do well with feminine earth signs.

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Yes it is exalted in virgo.

Seriously, are you going to really deny that?!

You modern astrologers are making your own little thing that disgraces the word "astrology". It's not what you "think" it's what it is. If you believe something is not exalted in a sign, then it's just your own thinking.

Exaltations don't happen because of necessarily which sign "suits" it the best.

Have you never read Ptolemy's reasons behind exaltations? Perhaps that would open your eyes a little.
http://sacred-texts.com/astro/ptb/ptb25.htm

posted August 08, 2014 06:25 AM            

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Originally posted by TyrianPurple:

I don't know much about astrology, but one thing I have already learned: Indigo knows more about it than I ever will, and you don't mess with Indi.

(Not to comment on this specific debate-- just a general rule I tend to follow)

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Lol all you indigo's little sidekicks. You make me laugh.

posted August 08, 2014 06:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
I too, understand both sides.

This is Enthusiasm Vs. Experience.

But it is dangerous to disseminate anything as truth that has not been strongly evidenced.

I am research-minded also.
I am also enthusiastic.

Research is often a long journey, with many hurdles.
It is very tempting to skip the journey and jump to an assumption, but in reality, it is wasting good time.

I wonder, has it ever been considered to have a forum here purely for "Theories", "Discoveries" or "Experiments"?

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I have many times repeated that I only said the word "Truth" in enthusiasm.

We can never know the truth, we can only believe.

Why did you all take it so seriously? I think people should have enough common sense to know that just because I used the word "truth" it's not actually the truth, it was just something I noticed/discovered and believe it, according to my post.

And the reason I posted was to see if anyone agrees with personal opinions. And except for indigo of course, most people did.

Thank you.

(But I still have to see if someone has BML conjunct the sun or moon).