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amelia28
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posted August 08, 2014 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thank you Amelia. It made me so happy. It was interesting with this girl because she is from a culture that does not divulge much. She never said whether what I said was right but I did one short chart reading for her and she wanted another, so I assumed she liked it but she never gave me any feedback the whole time but when I did the asteroids, she flipped out


Asteroids are like pandora's box; they just keep surprising me hahaha.

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Ami Anne
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posted August 08, 2014 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know, Amelia. Just when you think you can't see something better, you do!

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posted August 08, 2014 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted about my chiron in brown owl and of the moon/asteroids too Ami Anne. xx

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posted August 08, 2014 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
I'm sorry if I came off as too rude. My Jupiter is exactly square mars. Jupiter is in auqarius and mars in scorpio.

Jupiter in 12th house and mars in 8th.

They are in fixed signs.

Astrolada explains this aspect very well in her video.

I feel like I'm being mentally manipulated. Last time such thing happened, was when I was away from my homeland.

My pluto in 9th house was the reason.

Now it's here on this website.

I hope this will make me stronger in the future.

Btw. I am sorry Indigo.

I respect your opinion, and I hope you respect mine too.

Maybe in our synastry we have bad aspects which makes us fight this way. It must be pluto because it's really intense and it's the manipulation of beliefs and opinion.

I am sorry for causing you stress. I felt the same way and last night I had a bad dream. I went to dreammoods.com and found out the meaning of the dream and it said it was because of mental stress and rage.

Now I think we should both give up this stupid fight. **** BML.

For now, I'll stop talking or debating about BML. Please don't start again with it. I've had enough. I could go on if I wanted, because I believe in my reasons. But I'm not going to talk about it anymore and I expect the same. I respect your opinion as well.

Sorry for making an enmity with anyone here, if I have, and I would now like to make a truce.

Cheers. x


Mia, I accept your apology.

More than anything, I feel like singing you 'Have You Never Been Mellow?' by Olivia Newton-John. It feels more to me like what's going on than anything else.

'There were the days when I just had to tell my point of view; I was like you. Now I don't mean to make you frown; no, I just want you to slow down.'

It's important that we all listen to, and respect, each other. My only point was that, the longer one studies astrology, the more they find how many different things can be attributable to a great many things. It's a good general rule to tackle the basics first, before branching out. It's hard -- because we get so enthusiastic; we want to make our mark on the world. But you have to trust that there's a time for everything, and yours will come -- IN time.

If you'd like, we can combine our brainpower and I can control for Hades Moon Effect in your present research population? I DO think it's confounding the results and providing a false positive for BML.

Which is just fancy jargon for, 'I don't think it's BML but certain natal aspects of PLUTO which have been known to cause this.' That's why it becomes important we clear THAT hurdle first.

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posted August 08, 2014 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by MiaPluto:
Lol all you indigo's little sidekicks. You make me laugh.


I've earnt their respect, Mia; with my knowledge, behaviour, and generosity. I'm not one for sycophantic display. What I make are friends and associates, whom I treat with dignity and appreciate. Even if we may disagree -- that's never a justification for being disrespectful. Not in my book.

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posted August 08, 2014 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, in the Ptolemaic system, MERCURY is exalted only by essential dignity, which is 15° VIRGO. Otherwise, it's domicile -- and that's a great position for it!

Again, these gals (and gentlemen) know quite a lot from their research and experience. Consider when someone doesn't follow your line of thought, Mia, it isn't because they're lacking knowledge. The misunderstanding is likely to lie most in miscommunication.

My point about probability was to state that, as I believe that I'D misunderstood, (sorry about that) was your stating that your 'exalted Mercury' imbued you with a greater aptitude or ability than the one with whom you were corresponding. That's the bit with which I took issue. There's no special exception when it comes to these things. Especially not when a large chunk of the population will have it.

If I'm not mistaken, I do believe the chance of having MERCURY at 15° VIRGO is 3.3%. I could be wrong.

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posted August 08, 2014 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MiaPluto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Mia, I accept your apology.

More than anything, I feel like singing you 'Have You Never Been Mellow?' by Olivia Newton-John. It feels more to me like what's going on than anything else.

'There were the days when I just had to tell my point of view; I was like you. Now I don't mean to make you frown; no, I just want you to slow down.'

It's important that we all listen to, and respect, each other. My only point was that, the longer one studies astrology, the more they find how many different things can be attributable to a great many things. It's a good general rule to tackle the basics first, before branching out. It's hard -- because we get so enthusiastic; we want to make our mark on the world. But you have to trust that there's a time for everything, and yours will come -- IN time.

If you'd like, we can combine our brainpower and I can control for Hades Moon Effect in your present research population? I DO think it's confounding the results and providing a false positive for BML.

Which is just fancy jargon for, 'I don't think it's BML but certain natal aspects of PLUTO which have been known to cause this.' That's why it becomes important we clear THAT hurdle first.


Thank you for accepting my apology, Indigo.

Yes, I think it will be a good idea to research. I'm excited for it.

Btw, when I have clients that get their birth chart read from me, and when I see BML conjunct their sun, or any their planet, I tell them my opinion. No one disagreed. Out of them, no one had scorpio or pluto aspected moon. But anyways, if you want I'll give you their data and their response to my reading. x

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posted August 08, 2014 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Way to fly off target, but I personally still feel VESTA has more lordship affinity for Virgo than MERCURY does. *flits back to lurkland*

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posted August 08, 2014 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Thank you for accepting my apology, Indigo.

Yes, I think it will be a good idea to research. I'm excited for it.

Btw, when I have clients that get their birth chart read from me, and when I see BML conjunct their sun, or any their planet, I tell them my opinion. No one disagreed. Out of them, no one had scorpio or pluto aspected moon. But anyways, if you want I'll give you their data and their response to my reading. x


That's definitely interesting, Mia. I'm wondering if these are individuals born after 1990. I'm glad you did look into the PLUTO-MOON aspect potential first.

In that case, I'll keep looking, as I would like the data. Trouble is, I've just seen, of the scant BML-SUN charts I've run, none to fit that description.

Let's trade data. Most of mine is wide ranging -- from 1917-2002.

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posted August 08, 2014 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One thing about Astrology is that its a Spiritual science, thus it combines elements of both together to create noticeable effects on things in the universe. To simply try to understand Astrology via a strictly 3rd dimensional, linear, scientific mindset will never, and I mean NEVER, fully understand it or appreciate it for what it truly is and represents.

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posted August 08, 2014 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bjorkstrand     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of the "asteroids" are too small, ergo useless.
1 Ceres 848.40
2 Pallas 498.07
4 Vesta 468.30
10 Hygiea 407.12
511 Davida 326.07
704 Interamnia 316.62
52 Europa 302.51

These are accepted.

good luck

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posted August 08, 2014 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Way to fly off target, but I personally still feel VESTA has more lordship affinity for Virgo than MERCURY does. *flits back to lurkland*


I think CHiron is the ruling planet of Virgo

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posted August 08, 2014 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IndigoDirae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bjorkstrand:
Most of the "asteroids" are too small, ergo useless.
1 Ceres 848.40
2 Pallas 498.07
4 Vesta 468.30
10 Hygiea 407.12
511 Davida 326.07
704 Interamnia 316.62
52 Europa 302.51

These are accepted.

good luck

Jim


Jim,

Yet again, this is a theory. It has nothing to do with mass. All of the asteroids are equally viable. We just have to determine how they operate. That's the fun part!

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posted August 08, 2014 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bjorkstrand:
Most of the "asteroids" are too small, ergo useless.
1 Ceres 848.40
2 Pallas 498.07
4 Vesta 468.30
10 Hygiea 407.12
511 Davida 326.07
704 Interamnia 316.62
52 Europa 302.51

These are accepted.

good luck

Jim


Do you not understand the spiritual and metaphysical properties of Astrology? This is why I think right-brained people tend to "get" it more but left-brained people organize it better.

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posted August 08, 2014 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of the "asteroids" are too small, ergo useless.


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posted August 08, 2014 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yet another L'enfant terrible!

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posted August 08, 2014 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Yet another L'enfant terrible!

is this relating to me?

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posted August 08, 2014 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I think CHiron is the ruling planet of Virgo

Can you give your justifications? I'm interested.

VESTA's blood, sweat, tears, and sheer dedication to hard work really seems to jive with 6H energy. CHIRON is more about a sore spot, an Achilles heel, or transformation, which feels much more 8H to me.

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Never Karka. You're an LL veteran .

We just seem to have encountered a few young 'uns lately who've caused quite a stir..

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
Can you give your justifications? I'm interested.

VESTA's blood, sweat, tears, and sheer dedication to hard work really seems to jive with 6H energy. CHIRON is more about a sore spot, an Achilles heel, or transformation, which feels much more 8H to me.



I have VESTA-MARS in the 6H, can you believe that?

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I have VESTA-MARS in the 6H, can you believe that?

Not bad, not bad at all.

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Chiron is not an asteroid.

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Chiron is not an asteroid.

Jim


No one said it was. I fail to see the relevance this has to the conversation?

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posted August 08, 2014 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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No one said it was. I fail to see the relevance this has to the conversation?

I think hes one of those weird people who just post short sentences and not make any sense while being really stoic.

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posted August 08, 2014 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Blind writer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I think hes one of those weird people who just post short sentences and not make any sense while being really stoic.

Well, I can see if the comment was made in relation to the fact it's a wandering body, which might discount it as a ruler since it isn't a cornerstone object in our system (seeing as it may one day be completely ejected). It may have relevance as a ruler of a "wandering" sign, like Ophiuchus, but that delves into evolutionary and theoretical astrology - which I find unique and fascinating, but never talked about, much less investigated in any depth.

However, if just made as a pedantic statement, we can say along the same lines that CERES is not an asteroid, and PLUTO is not a planet.

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