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Ceridwen
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posted July 22, 2014 03:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not in composite I think (but might be due to the midpoint-nature of it).


in synastry my Jupiter is exactly tredicile his Uranus, his Venus widely tredecile my Pluto;
my Pallas tredecile his Pluto;

his Venus td my Pluto: 1°09
his Uranus td my Jupiter: 0°12
his Pluto td my Pallas: 0°13


why do you ask? What do you think?


EDIT
The Venus-Pluto-link intrigues me, as we both have a square natally, and in composite.

His Pluto is not in aspect with my Venus though 75°, hmm does ring a bell faintly....

Oh yes it belongs into the family of the quindecile!
So another obession-aspect, this time between his Pluto and my Venus (orb is: 0°16)


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posted July 22, 2014 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I liked Wilkinson's description. It suggests "complementarity" but in a "partners in mischief" kinda way lol like a pair of tricksters or magicians. It also suggests strange, fated, unusual, synchronicity things happening to these two when they are together. Well, quintiles have this quality anyway. To turn the world into a magical place when the two are together. I'm also thinking of the connection to number 9 - 108 is nine - a good partner for some good adventures hahaha (like a blending between 9 being the marriage partner and 9 being the Sag)

EDIT: Pluto Pallas could be related a bit with what you felt when you met him. I've not explored Pluto Pallas connections so far and I don't know how they react together, but I do see Pallas as chakra opening.
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posted July 22, 2014 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm bored. Can I join you with my useless calculations?

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posted July 22, 2014 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
good descirption, Leeloo, yes that fits

I see Pallas the same way as you do. We both have a Pluto-pallas-trine natally (though mine`s exact, his is 3 degrees or so). Anyway shows up asa trine in composite again, 1 degree.

In fact I love Pluto-Pallas, and my psychic spider senses react to Pallas-transits like a seismograph for some reason.


Cappy,

useless? A cappy?
I`d say you are joking, but joking, a Cappy?


Come in here, join us, show us your calculations.

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posted July 22, 2014 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 22, 2014 11:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lunae     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, here's mine:

Sun: 2 deg Can
Moon: 24 deg Aqua
Mercury: 7 deg Cap
Venus: 27 deg Lib
Mars: 29 deg Ari
Jupiter: 29 deg Tau
Saturn: 9 deg Pis
Uranus: 3 deg Ari
Neptune: 4 deg Ari
Pluto: 0 deg Can

The most significant thing I can see here is a kite (Mars at the apex, sextile Moon and Pluto, opp Venus).

Also, I find it interesting that the Harmonic Comp sun conjuncts his Harmonic NN, HComp moon conj my Harmonic NN.

Playfulness of a 5th harmonic relationship? yes.
Otherworldy understanding of each other? yes.

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posted July 22, 2014 11:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, these are the most important (for now).. in our 5th harmonic composite;


- Sun 7 Cap (that was an easy calculation as we have an exact Sun-Sun
bi-quintile in our synastry lol)
- N.Node 2 Cancer / S.Node 2 Cap
- Uranus 3,5 Cap

(so, in our natal-compo the Sun is quintile the S.Node and Uranus is
quintile the N.Node - butteuh... NO Sun/Uranus (bi-)quintile in there! -
just half a quintile .. weird?)


I find it even more interesting that in our 5th harmonic synastry the same aspect reflected;

- My Uranus 21'16 Scorp
- His N.Node 21'16 Taurus (WT.. exact!!)

- His Uranus 16'06 Aqua
- My N.Node 12'54 Leo


^^ we have NO closeness-freedom dilemma, I can tell u that. That's in fact, awesome.

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posted July 23, 2014 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lunae:
Okay, here's mine:

Sun: 2 deg Can
Moon: 24 deg Aqua
Mercury: 7 deg Cap
Venus: 27 deg Lib
Mars: 29 deg Ari
Jupiter: 29 deg Tau
Saturn: 9 deg Pis
Uranus: 3 deg Ari
Neptune: 4 deg Ari
Pluto: 0 deg Can

The most significant thing I can see here is a kite (Mars at the apex, sextile Moon and Pluto, opp Venus).

Also, I find it interesting that the Harmonic Comp sun conjuncts his Harmonic NN, HComp moon conj my Harmonic NN.

Playfulness of a 5th harmonic relationship? yes.
Otherworldy understanding of each other? yes.


The orbs are too large for the kite. Donīt forget, a sextile in the 5th harmonic chart is really the minor aspect of a 30th harmonic aspect. Would you really use an orb of 5 degress for a 30th harmonic aspect?
(well most probably before looking at the 5th harmonic I would not even have noticed the 30th harmonic aspect at all. lol)


the juicy Venus-Mars-opposition is very much in orb though. SExy.

Also the link between Sun-Pluto square Uranus-Neptune is fascinating, I think this might be one of the markposts of this composite, even if this is technically not a T-square. A relationship (Sun) that is marked by an otherworldly, almost mystical (uranus-Neptune), powerful enigmatic, hypnotic (Pluto) vibe, at least in terms of 5th harmonic.

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posted July 23, 2014 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:

butteuh... NO Sun/Uranus (bi-)quintile in there! -
just half a quintile .. weird?)


No, not weird. Don`t forget that we are dealing with a midpoint-composite. Any conjunction can show up as opposition, trine as sextile, and of course a quintile can actually show up as a decile as well. (the semiquintile)

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posted July 23, 2014 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tadaaam! Maybe I didn't screw up. I hope my Frankenstein is readable.

According to my calcultions the Moon, Saturn, Jupiter, Mercury and the Nodes are at the 29th degree. And as you can see they do some insane **** .

Ok, you can be jealous now ^^ Btw, it's a composite my ex-celeb crush (and still one of my favorite actors).


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posted July 23, 2014 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cappy,
how did you do that? with the planets in there?

And wow! What an interconnected composite.
I suppos you kept to the orbs, didnīt you?

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posted July 23, 2014 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Abracadabra! Naaah, it's no magic, it's just Paint Yes, I kept the orbs. Do you think it might be the explanation for why I'm still obsessed with him? I'm gonna post our harmonic to composite too, get ready

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posted July 23, 2014 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh just in case someone lkes to do harmonic synastry; Hamblin recommends using half the orb of the natal harmonics.

conjunction: 6 degrees
opposition: 3 degrees
trine: 2 degrees
squares: 1°30
sextile: 1°00
quinkunx: 0°30


Oh and he also actually recommends checking the 4th, 5th, 7th and 9th harmonic and has some more ideaas about what to check, Need to reread it though.

He also states that the greatest difficulties in a relationship (basic incompatibilities or simple disharmony) are often being found in squares in the 4th harmonic chart and gives the example of a couple (he just terms this example: difficult marriage) who had DW of Venus-square-Mars, Venus-square-Venus and Mars-square-Mars; eventually the marriage dissolved and ended in divorce, apparently one major reason for this being the utmost incompatibility on the sexual sector, leading to animosity and hostility.

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posted July 23, 2014 08:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Abracadabra! Naaah, it's no magic, it's just Paint Yes, I kept the orbs. Do you think it might be the explanation for why I'm still obsessed with him? I'm gonna post our harmonic to composite too, get ready


Oh thank you.

But how did you put the planets in there?

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posted July 23, 2014 08:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Do you think it might be the explanation for why I'm still obsessed with him?


Yes. It`s dazzling to look at!
Wow! Totally gobsmacked. What a sparkly 5th harmonic composite!

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posted July 23, 2014 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The only square Mr Sag and me have in 4th harmonic synastry, is his Mercury square my Moon (0.54).
I am kinda glad it is just one. lol

Anyway, let this combo sink in.
His Mercury on my Moon.
Communication is really an issue, isnīt it? lol

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posted July 23, 2014 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, thank you *bows*

How I did it? There are "shapes". I chose "oval". Then 1st color - black, 2nd color - white. Contour - full color. Filling - full color. You click in the middle of the wheel and create this shape. Then you manipulate its size so it covers everything you want to cover and it's done.

4th harmonic is the most obsessive one, right?

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posted July 23, 2014 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Abracadabra! Naaah, it's no magic, it's just Paint Yes, I kept the orbs. Do you think it might be the explanation for why I'm still obsessed with him? I'm gonna post our harmonic to composite too, get ready



Wow, great technique, Cappy! You're so talented We can use this for other weird synastries/composites not covered by astro.

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posted July 23, 2014 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Thank you, thank you *bows*

How I did it? There are "shapes". I chose "oval". Then 1st color - black, 2nd color - white. Contour - full color. Filling - full color. You click in the middle of the wheel and create this shape. Then you manipulate its size so it covers everything you want to cover and it's done.

4th harmonic is the most obsessive one, right?


I am not quite following. How did you for example put the Uranus-symbol in there?

as for the 4th most obsessive, not necessarily; the 5th and 7th have their personal own obsessing as well.

But the 4th highlights the square character, so it is probably the chart nearest to manifestation, and if you want to know what is going to happen between two people (like events), the 4th chart (of the first meeting chart for example) is the one to consult (at least I read that in another book. lol)

But the squares also deal with challenging energies, tensions, and the squares in the 4th harmonic chart make this even more acute. Must be like the elephant in the room. lol
Or some issue that MUST be dealt with, cause you will not get to move around it.


Coming back to our Mercury-Moon-square int he 4th harmonic chart, it reminded me that his Mercury is conjunct my Neptune-NN in the basic chart. So there IS already a lot of confusion and evasiveness to begin with.


I checked again, and yes, indeed, in my very own 4th harmonic chart, Moon is square Neptune-NN (and Ceres, but let us leave the asteroids aside for now).
So his Mercury does not just link to my Neptune, but activates the Neptune-Moon-square in my 4th harmonic chart.
Shall we say I have issues? Surrounding emotional confusions? Feeling too much (or numbing it down), so emotionally confused that I pretty much do not get what he is trying to say.
(unless we are talkng psychic communication, that one seems to work perfectly. lol)

Either I read too much into what he is saying, or too little, but somehow never really understand.


Looking at his basic chart, Mercury is squaring Mars and Jupiter, which of course appears as a conjunction in 4th harmonic chart, the man is ever the optimist, straightforward, blunt, foot-in-mouth-syndrome par exxcelance. Probably there are only a few people who express themselves as clearly as he does, which makes the confusion brought in by my neptune even more confusing. lol (his Mercury has no squares in the 4th harmonic chart, so he IS open and honest, it is just I donīt get it. lol)

He has squares in his 4th harmonic chart, too, so the man has issues, too. Just not with mercury.

His issues may revolve around:
in 4th harmonic chart:

Moon square Pluto 0.58 (yeah that is an issue for sure!)

Neptune square BML 1.05 (so his Neptune is NOT totally issue-free either)
interestingly we have an exact BML-BML-opposition natally, so I am sort of activating his neptune-BML for him, just like his Mercury activates my Neptune-Moon for me.


The other challenging things in my 4th harmonic chart consist of:

Mercury square Saturn 2.22 (oh great more communicative blocks. lol)


Uranus square Pluto 0.53, which is part of a T-square with
Uranus opposite Juno 2.26
Pluto square Juno 1.33


So basically I am confused about my feelings, cannot talk and am compulsively unable to commit.

Baah, let us return to the 5th harmonic chart, I don`t like the 4th harmonic. It`s yucky.

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posted July 23, 2014 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 23, 2014 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, now my harmonic chart to the composite.

Mars on Neptune and opposite Venus
Jupiter conjunct Neptune
MC and Moon on the NN
Sun (0 Aries) on the Moon-Pluto
Pholus conjunct Vertex-Vesta-SN
Vesta conjunct Chiron
SN conjunct Chiron
ASC conjunct Pholus
Chiron conjunct IC

And his H to C.
Moon conjunct Sun, Adonis, Talent, MC, Uranus
MC conjunct ASC
Mars conjunct NN
ASC on Mercury and conjunct Venus
Jupiter conjunct Mercury
Neptune conjunct Jupiter
Pluto and Juno conjunct Neptune and opposite Venus
Pholus conjunct MC, Uranus, Fantasia
Sun opposite Chiron

Who's more screwed?


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posted July 23, 2014 09:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let me first enlighten you - I drew everything. Thanks, Lee!

*goes back to reading*

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posted July 23, 2014 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This certainly deserves another thread, Ceri.

I'm not sure about this square rule, because a square there should reflect an aspect in synastry. At least this is happening in my synastry.

I'm not looking at orbs here, just showing how it is reflected:

I have Moon opp Mars in my 4th (I have Moon semisquare Mars in my natal); he has Sun opp Venus in his 4th (he has Sun semisquare Venus in his natal) - I kinda like this Yin/Yang, BTW.

Then we have a complex figure in the 4th harmonics, reflecting the connections in synastry:

I have Venus conjunct Neptune (my natal Venus/Neptune square) conjunct his Mars conjunct Neptune (his natal Mars opp Neptune).

This conjunction squares my Mars/Moon opp in the 4th - making a T/square with many planets, which gives in the 4th synastry (closest in orb)

my Mars square his Mars (out of sign)

our Moons square his Mars (we have Moon conjunct Moon, out of sign, because we have Moon square Moon in synastry) opp mine

but we have Mars trine Mars and Moon sextile Mars in synastry, wider orbs. Which means these aspects in synastry are translated here as squares.

However, I would never say no to a Mars trine Mars or Moon sextile Mars in synastry (Moon Mars is also a DW).

In the 4th harmonics we also have

Sun conjunct Sun (because of our opp)
as I said, Moon conjunct Moon
Mercury opp Mercury (we have a sesquisquare in our synastry)

etc.

The connections between our Venus/Mars in the 4th are:

my Venus 25 Sag
his Mars 29 Sag

his Venus 1 Virgo
my Mars 2 Aries

a DW just like in synastry


It looks like some soft aspects in synastry are translated here as squares. Does he say what that couple had in their synastry between those planets?

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posted July 23, 2014 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
*information overload*

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posted July 23, 2014 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm... my squares in the 4th harmonics are:

Moon square Venus (3) - a semi-octile between these two in the natal (22.5 - a semi-octile)
Moon square Neptune (0) - a trine between these two in the natal (7)


he has:

Venus square Jupiter (3) (again, a semi-octile in the natal)
Moon square Neptune (3) - (another semi-octile in the natal)


So it looks like semi-octile and trines translate as squares in the 4th.

Should we assume the semi-octile is a stressful aspect? The trine can't be.

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