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Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 02:48 PM
  
In Vedic astrology yes. In harmonic astrology only 9th to 9th, hoooowever, I still think there is a point in comparing to the natal, too, AFTER doing the 9th/ 9th comparision, if we view the harmonic charts as symbolic charts rather than showing aspect-gestalt IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 02:54 PM
Meaning is varied, actually. Some say it is a chart of the soul, the soulmate, the marriage partner (Vedic view mostly, and new agey). Cochrane links it to society, and an union embedded in a social frame, which makes for contentment and inner satisfaction.
I read also it relates to inner joy and happiness and feelings of completion.
I think probably all of it might be true, to a degree. Personally I think that it is the harmonic chart that describes how we can best unite to another person or even an ideal/ idea, that makes us contribute to life and society while at the same time establishes harmony and a feeling of communion. But in a more practical way, than the 7th maybe does, too (which is very spiritually oriented; spiritual communion of the 7th compared to social communion or union within a social system - hence marriage - in the 9th) IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 03:16 PM
Let me give you a dire example of a friend of mine who has found her soulmate, and been convinced of this for the last 8 years they`ve spent together, and she never had been happier and more content in her life, and actually a lot of healing took place triggered by this relationship, in which both wholeheartedly support each other.
His Venus, Juno and SN in one degree conjunction fall onto her Neptune, with his Jupiter opposite
oh and his Venus, Juno and SN are conjunct her ASC; his Jupiter on her DESC
his Moon conjuncts her Sun exact and his Mercury also conjuncts her Sun
(his 9th Sun actually conjuncts her natal Moon closely. lol)
her Pluto on his IC, her Jupiter on his DESC
his Pluto trine her Moon and a lot more
speaking of their 9th composite
Jupiter and Pluto on DESC
Saturn, Moon, Venus conjunct each other on MC T-square of Mars-Saturn-Moon-Pluto, Yod of Venus-Juno-Mercury Sun conjunt Uranus and Mercury, which both need, as he has a natal Sun-Uranus-conjunction and she is an Aquarius; Mercury rules his DESC and her 8th and 5th house, so it suits them just fine.
So whatever this means it works for them. lol
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Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 03:25 PM
other friends of mine, married for 9 years, 3 kids and fit smoothly in their social surroundings (but with a lot of depth and fondness for each other and their family)
his pluto conjunct her VEnus and Mars
his pluto opposite her Saturn and Neptune
his Moon on her VErtex and IC and opposite her Moon;
his Jupiter on her Avx, MC and Moon
his Juno on her Sun, opp. her Juno IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted July 24, 2014 03:28 PM
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You are erotic soulmates
Actually I wouldn't be surprised  
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You are special
Correct answer  quote:
You are boring
*throws tomatoes* quote:
Just kidding. Integration, unity of Yin/Yang energies for that chart. What is the orb between them, what chart?
16-17 deg. 9th harmonic. Guess what sign ------------------
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Tulipe
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posted July 24, 2014 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
16-17 deg. 9th harmonic. Guess what sign
Scorpio? I have new respect for your talent, new Picasso  ------------------
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posted July 24, 2014 04:00 PM
Haha, thanks
Not Scorpio. Keep guessing.------------------
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Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 04:26 PM
Our 9th harmonic synastry
---------------------------his Sun conjunct my Saturn and Juno exact 2 Sag (degree of my natal Amor. lol)
his Sun conjunct my DESC 1
his Kaali conjunct my ASC
his Kaali opposite my Saturn and Juno
his Ceres conjunct my ASC
his Ceres opposite my Saturn and Juno his Saturn opposite my Moon
his Juno conjunct my Moon
his Juno conjunct my Valentine his Moon conjunct my Pluto his Merury conjunct my Neptune
his Mercury opposite my Pluto his ASC conjunct my Venus
his Venus opposite my Venus
his Lust opposite my Venus his Psyche conjunct my Mars exact
his Psyche conjunct my IC
his Psyche opposite my Mercury his Valentine conjunct my SN
his Valentine opposite my Neptune his NN conjunct my Eros, Vesta and Vertex
his SN conjunct my Uranus his Vesta and Uranus conjunct my Kaali and Aphrodite
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Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Haha, thanks
Not Scorpio. Keep guessing.
Easy.
Aries. There can only be one. IP: Logged |
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posted July 24, 2014 04:44 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Easy.
Aries. There can only be one.
Not this time  Next! Sun conjunct Saturn
Moon conjunct Pluto
You have this in the meeting 4th harmonic too.
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Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 05:02 PM
Yes, it always surprised me to see that the very significant synastric aspects were repeated and crystallized in the first meeting chart.
Though of course the fmc has nothing to do with either natal. It was like, I donīt know, this was the right time to meet to focus the core synastry like in a burning glass. Can`t evade that Sun-Saturn (square in synastry, trine in composite). As for the Moon-Pluto, this one is not as easy to see, but it reliably shows up even now at certian pivotal events/ meetings.
However now that I think about it my Draconic Pluto opposes his Draconic Moon (1°39)
Of course this Moon-Pluto-opposition in the Dracos is part of a huge pattern.
oh and of course his tropical Pluto is trine my tropical Moon as well though a bit wide (4.17)
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Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 05:05 PM
Capricorn?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 05:15 PM
Actually you know what I found almost creepy?
First meeting chart: may 2008
Moon 1 Cap
Saturn 1 Virgo
Sun 1 Gemini
Venus return chart of our composite february 2014
Moon 22 Cancer
Saturn 23 Scorpio
Sun 23 Aquarius On both days there was a mystical triangle, created not only be the very same planets, but even the aspects were the same plus Sun was in an Air sign.
And obviously Moon was on the Cancer-Capricorn-axis again.
Things like these, so seemingly random, fascinate me. lol
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I'm so cappy
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posted July 24, 2014 06:06 PM
I don't even know what a mystical triangle is  quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Capricorn?
Nope. Gemini. That actor's Sun sign This Sun is also my Sun in the 4th harmonic.
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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.
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Ceridwen
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posted July 24, 2014 06:14 PM
mystical/pythagorean triangle is an assymetrical shape, consisting of a trine, a squrae and a quinkunx. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted July 25, 2014 05:45 AM
Thank you, Ceri. I'm curious to check my parents' 9th.------------------
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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 25, 2014 05:47 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Our 9th harmonic synastry
So many marital aspects! I think these are lovely aspects. ------------------
I seem to have loved you in numberless forms... IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted July 25, 2014 05:52 AM
I like it that they are so stable.lolIP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted July 25, 2014 05:55 AM
Saturn is important to both of us indiviudlaly anyway.
For me being my secondary 5th house ruler, placed in the 8th house and having a precise trine to Juno and conjunct Vertex.For him Saturn is conjunct his DESC and Vertex, sextile Juno exact and trines Venus, the intercepted 7th house ruler, and Saturn rules his 11th house. Pluto might actually be more important to him , but the Pluto-Moon conjunction represents a projected houseruler conjunction of the 8th house, as my Moon rules 8th house and Pluto rules his 8th house and sits in his 7th.
We have a widish trine between 8th house rulers anyway, but it is over 4 degree so you cannot see it in 9th chart (the orb would be 36 degrees in this chart. lol)
But even if we do not use projected houserulers, Moon rules his 5th house and Pluto rules my 11th house, and that is an important mirror-axsis for us anyway.
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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 25, 2014 06:49 AM
My parents' 9th synastryHer Sun/Valentine/Vertex trines his Moon/Chiron/Juno and his Vesta Her Moon opp his Sun/Pluto Her Venus conjunct his Sun/Pluto squares his Amor trines his Saturn/ASC sextile his Mars and his Venus/Merc WOW Her Mars/Juno/Uranus conjuncts his Ceres squares his Lust trines his Valentine/NN
His Sun/Pluto squares her MC trines his Lilith
His Moon opp her Neptune/Eros squares her Ceres sextile her Mars/Uranus/Juno
etc.
conjunctions:
Venus/Alma conjunct Pluto/Sun/Eros
Lust conjunct Eros
Chiron conjunct Psyche
Juno conjunct Mars
Mars/Uranus conjunct Ceres
Cupido conjunct Amor
ASC conjunct MC/Neptune
NN/Valentine conjunct Karma/Vesta Ceres/Psyche conjunct Alma
Lilith conjunct Priapus
Cupido conjunct MC
NN conjunct Venus ------------------
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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 25, 2014 07:16 AM
My 9th synastryconjunctions: my Venus/his Vertex (his natal Mercury) my Karma/his Ceres (our Pholus) my Neptune/his Uranus/Mercury (his natal Mars, my natal Eros) my ASC/Lust/his Cupido/Neptune (his natal MC/SN) my Sun/his Neptune/Jupiter (his natal MC) my Alma/Pholus/his Alma/Pholus/Priapus (my natal Venus, our Venus/Mars cross) my Chiron/Psyche/his NN/POF my Vertex/Pluto/Eros/his Pluto (his natal Moon) my MC/Saturn/his Moon/Venus/Mars
my Mercury/his Sun
my Cupido/Lilith/his Karma/Juno significant conjunctions between the 9th and the natal: my 9th/his natal Venus/Mercury
Karma/Pholus
Valentine/Chiron
Neptune/Mars
ASC conjunct SN/MC
Sun/MC
NN/POF opp his natal Venus
Moon/Ceres square Moon sextile Venus/Juno
Alma/Pholus square Mars/Neptune
Union conjunct ASC exact
Juno conjunct ASC
Juno/Mars conjunct Pluto
Vesta/Jupiter conjunct Vesta
Eros conjunct Moon
MC/Saturn opp Mars
Amor conjunct NN
Cupido/Lilith conjunct Venus
his 9th/my natal
Amor opp Sun
Eros opp Mars/Pluto
MC/Saturn square my nodal axis
Cupido/Neptune square Sun
Alma/Pholus/Priapus conjunct Venus
ASC on Sun/Venus mdp, conjunct Venus and Sun
Chiron conjunct Sun
Valentine conjunct Valentine
NN/Union sextile Venus exact
Moon/Pluto sextile Sun and ASC
Venus/Mars in my Venus cross (conjunct Neptune square Venus and Jupiter)
Sun conjunct ASC, trine Sun and IC, quincunx Moon
Juno/Karma conjunct Psyche
Vertex/Vesta opp Moon
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Tulipe
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posted July 25, 2014 07:54 AM
Can you compare 9th-9th with your ex(es) to see the differences, if you have time?------------------
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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 25, 2014 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by Tulipe:
Can you compare 9th-9th with your ex(es) to see the differences, if you have time?
Is there anything I won't do for you?
Even remembering yucky exes hehehehe
I'll do it. Good point.
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Tulipe
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posted July 25, 2014 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Is there anything I won't do for you?
Even remembering yucky exes hehehehe
I'll do it. Good point.
Awww  ------------------
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LeeLoo2014
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posted July 25, 2014 12:26 PM
Me and my first ex, 9th harmonic synastryValentine conjunct Moon/Neptune
Uranus conjunct Psyche
Juno conjunct ASC
Sun conjunct MC
Mars conjunct NN and Moon
Vertex conjunct Valentine
Karma conjunct MC his Sun conjunct my natal ASC
his Venus opp my natal Sun
his Moon trines my natal Moon my Venus conjuncts his natal ASC
my Sun conjuncts his natal Juno
my Mars/Juno opp his natal Moon/Venus
not at all insignificant
ex nr. 2
ASC conjunct NN
Sun conjunct Neptune
and the rest is with asteroids, without angles...very interesting, MUCH weaker
his Juno conjunct my natal Juno
his MC conjunct my Chiron
his Uranus conjunct my natal DSC
his Saturn conjunct my natal MC
his Moon/Mercury conjunct my NN my Venus conjunct his DSC
my ASC opp his natal Mars
my Moon opp his natal Venus
still some contacts, but weaker
I think angles are important in these comparisons ------------------
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